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Sterling191 wrote:
Because what Sister's really needed are Retributors with access to full hit *and* wound rerolls in shooting.

My first thought.

This is getting pretty insane. I mean, her weapons are also a sign of how silly the creep has reached. She can't just have a S8 -3 flat 3 damage weapon with no hit mod, no it also has to inflict mortals but wait, theres more! It also has an alternate profile for swinging with volume.

She has two krack missiles and a HB, but wait theres more! The missiles also can be shot as 36" range bolters for more volume!

Her suit not only is a 2+ 4++ halving all damage, no no no hold on! It also ignores mortal wounds on a 4+!

Not only is she a captain, shes also a lieutenant!

Not only is she a chapter master, shes also full wound rerolls!

I am fine with her being very good, she should be, but they really have run out of room to make new characters without throwing everything AND the kitchen sink at them. If she is such a hot head she skips the clerical duties to hit people in the face then why does she have such an absurd aura? Pick a lane GW.

Weird that they gave her multiple head options. The scowling face is pretty awful imo

 GaroRobe wrote:
Weird that they gave her multiple head options. The scowling face is pretty awful imo

They gave Be'lakor 3 head options.

It's not weird at all.

I like the mini, but hate the idea of using named characters. If only she’d been generic.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
Because what Sister's really needed are Retributors with access to full hit *and* wound rerolls in shooting.

My first thought.

This is getting pretty insane. I mean, her weapons are also a sign of how silly the creep has reached. She can't just have a S8 -3 flat 3 damage weapon with no hit mod, no it also has to inflict mortals but wait, theres more! It also has an alternate profile for swinging with volume.

She has two krack missiles and a HB, but wait theres more! The missiles also can be shot as 36" range bolters for more volume!

Her suit not only is a 2+ 4++ halving all damage, no no no hold on! It also ignores mortal wounds on a 4+!

Not only is she a captain, shes also a lieutenant!

Not only is she a chapter master, shes also full wound rerolls!

I am fine with her being very good, she should be, but they really have run out of room to make new characters without throwing everything AND the kitchen sink at them. If she is such a hot head she skips the clerical duties to hit people in the face then why does she have such an absurd aura? Pick a lane GW.

Is there is literally any rule she could have and doesn't.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Weird that they gave her multiple head options. The scowling face is pretty awful imo

'Eavy Metal struggle to paint faces at the best of times. I'm sure when other painters get ahold of them it'll look better.

I think her lore would've been more interesting if her going out to kick arse and take names was presented as a negative. The Ecclesiarchy want her out there being another Marvel Avenger because her disinterest allows them to get whatever they want rubber stamped and exert their influence 'back home' without worrying she's going to return and swat their hands. Of course this is the 42nd Millenium where there are only superheroes.

My God she looks like Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber, except older.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Is there is literally any rule she could have and doesn't.

She lacks the 'can't be killed in one phase' rule, which give the ongoing escalation of lethality in 9th...

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
Because what Sister's really needed are Retributors with access to full hit *and* wound rerolls in shooting.

My first thought.

This is getting pretty insane. I mean, her weapons are also a sign of how silly the creep has reached. She can't just have a S8 -3 flat 3 damage weapon with no hit mod, no it also has to inflict mortals but wait, theres more! It also has an alternate profile for swinging with volume.

She has two krack missiles and a HB, but wait theres more! The missiles also can be shot as 36" range bolters for more volume!

Her suit not only is a 2+ 4++ halving all damage, no no no hold on! It also ignores mortal wounds on a 4+!

Not only is she a captain, shes also a lieutenant!

Not only is she a chapter master, shes also full wound rerolls!

I am fine with her being very good, she should be, but they really have run out of room to make new characters without throwing everything AND the kitchen sink at them. If she is such a hot head she skips the clerical duties to hit people in the face then why does she have such an absurd aura? Pick a lane GW.

Is there is literally any rule she could have and doesn't.

No. She is the bestest evar.

Sorry, what exactly were people expecting from an army’s Supreme Commander?

Pretty sure the Silent King will just laugh and take her out. Pretty sure Abaddon isn’t exactly knock-kneed with fear.

If she was a bog standard non-named character? Sure, I get that.

But she’s not, is she? She’s just another in a long and honourable line of well hard Supreme Commanders, because no Supreme Commander is a wuss.

A.T. wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Is there is literally any rule she could have and doesn't.

She lacks the 'can't be killed in one phase' rule, which give the ongoing escalation of lethality in 9th...

Instead she's just so tough she eats silly amount of damage to die.

I rather go kill nightbringer. Easier job.

LOL not even Roboute halves damage coming at him.

 GrosseSax wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
Because what Sister's really needed are Retributors with access to full hit *and* wound rerolls in shooting.

My first thought.

This is getting pretty insane. I mean, her weapons are also a sign of how silly the creep has reached. She can't just have a S8 -3 flat 3 damage weapon with no hit mod, no it also has to inflict mortals but wait, theres more! It also has an alternate profile for swinging with volume.

She has two krack missiles and a HB, but wait theres more! The missiles also can be shot as 36" range bolters for more volume!

Her suit not only is a 2+ 4++ halving all damage, no no no hold on! It also ignores mortal wounds on a 4+!

Not only is she a captain, shes also a lieutenant!

Not only is she a chapter master, shes also full wound rerolls!

I am fine with her being very good, she should be, but they really have run out of room to make new characters without throwing everything AND the kitchen sink at them. If she is such a hot head she skips the clerical duties to hit people in the face then why does she have such an absurd aura? Pick a lane GW.

Is there is literally any rule she could have and doesn't.

No. She is the bestest evar.

You're right, she should have had 1 wound no save and an aura of reroll successful hits. That would have been MUCH better. You guys should be game designers.

Uh captain, lieutenant, super chapter master ( full hit rerolls, and full wound rerolls).

Less than 10 wounds so can’t be targeted.

Now, I’m guessing in the new codex things like repentia and penitent engines won’t be Core, but I guarantee retributors will be.

If their tanks get core, watch out.

One thing she has even better than guilleman, is they you’re not sub-faction locked with her bonuses, while guilleman only fully buffs Ultramarines. A 4++ invuln and T5 doesn’t look too tough until you see the halving damage.

With these stats and auras, she’d have to be at least as expensive as guilleman.

I think we can see the writing on the wall here for the SM codex, lol.

Based on the codexes so far; infantry and infantry walkers get Core, vehicles do not. Even weird, elite infantry like Repentia.
Quite plausible that Flagellants will not be Core though. Nor any of the other Ministorum hangers-on.

Her points cost is definitely going to make or break her as a unit, since her being too cheap is going to see her being an auto-take for most Sisters armies, while being priced too highly compared to just taking Cannonesses and Palatines will result her being not taken at all.

How does she compare with similar Supreme Commanders and Lords?

I'll be honest. I defended her before my peers but she smells a little over designed.

She has literall all the bestests buff options plus the best weapon profile (F8 AP-3 3D mortal wounds no -1 to hit) with sweep profile and a ton of ranged firepower (2 ML+Heavy Bolter) and a insuperable defensive profile.

I'm sure shes gonna cost a ton of points but still, thats a badly designed unit. He makes Abaddon and Marneus Calgar weep, and even Guilliman doesnt has all with him agaisnt her, they are pretty comparable.

Yikes, looks really powerful. She is a High Lord though, I guess...better be costed appropriately.

 Mr Morden wrote:
How does she compare with similar Supreme Commanders and Lords?

She smokes them all as force multipliers and beasticks, barring possibly only Mortarion (because of how he can massively debuff certain matchups)

Guilliman is still superior to her but not enough difference in power to how a human in a super suit with relics should compare to a Primarch in a super suit.

 Mr Morden wrote:
How does she compare with similar Supreme Commanders and Lords?

She has one more W but one less Ld on Trajann Valoris. Trajann has a 3++ and re-roll 1s to hit & wound, but his weapons & other abilities aren't as good - he's 190 points.

Trajan is also from a currently dated Codex, which has seen even bog standard Maureens get ever closer to Custodes stats.

I don't see what's so strange about her.

She is exacly as previewed. Chapter master level with command abilities on the level of a Primarch.

She is literally a Marneus Calgar with better command abilities.


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Actually, I'm liking her design quite a lot.
It really speaks for what she is, a very respected nun in a big robot.
Her stats are the same ones as a standard canoness, she just has one more attack.

There is nothing about her which is her being a "Better sister". It's literally just a very well equipped sister. All her big stats and rules are all tied to the equipment.

Wish my giant, easy to hit, 800 points minimum Ork vehicle had a rule that halved damage..... or even came with a 6+ invuln.

newish to the game

What does the "each time an attack is made with this weapon, make 2 hit rolls (or 3 in the case of the Flails for Mortifiers) instead of 1" mean?
Why not attack 10 instead?
Or do you get to choose 5 out of the 10 rolls to go with?

buckero0 wrote:
What does the "each time an attack is made with this weapon, make 2 hit rolls (or 3 in the case of the Flails for Mortifiers) instead of 1" mean?
Why not attack 10 instead?
Or do you get to choose 5 out of the 10 rolls to go with?

You can choose where to put your Attacks - so she could make 3 "Sweeping Blow" Attacks (for 6 rolls) and 2 "Lunging Strike" Attacks.

buckero0 wrote:
newish to the game

What does the "each time an attack is made with this weapon, make 2 hit rolls (or 3 in the case of the Flails for Mortifiers) instead of 1" mean?
Why not attack 10 instead?
Or do you get to choose 5 out of the 10 rolls to go with?

Usually such rules are to give you options - you double the number of attacks but they are weaker.

It's more stupid power creep and another unfortunate move towards a game about super heroes punching one another while buffing their minions, but that shouldn't surprise anyone at this point.

What's more disappointing is that she isn't even interesting from a rules point of view. It's just all brute power, nothing flavorful or interesting. Compare her to say the Triumph, or Celestine - or even Junith - and you see how boring a model she is.

beast_gts wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
How does she compare with similar Supreme Commanders and Lords?

She has one more W but one less Ld on Trajann Valoris. Trajann has a 3++ and re-roll 1s to hit & wound, but his weapons & other abilities aren't as good - he's 190 points.

Let’s be real about this. You take a unit like this for it’s force multiplier on your army. The raw stats are the gravy. Her force multipliers are unparalleled in that they have very little restriction and she has, like, all of them minus a charge bonus, which is almost redundant when miracle dice are involved.

She’s less than 10 wounds so cannot be targeted, so the fact she gets such top tier buffing power on top of decent weapons and fighting power herself is really scary. If she is under 300 points and Core doesn’t end up very restrictive, she will insanely powerful.