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 Taarnak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If the prices of discount boxes are higher than it is less attractive for reseller and there will be more boxes available for MSRP

That seems logical, but I have a suspicion that would not ever be the case. It would simply mean even higher prices on the secondary market, not an increase of availability at GW. The artificial scarcity is the driving issue, IMO.

I think this should map onto a supply-demand curve though. The price will modulate the demand. For example, if the box was £1000, very few people would buy it as the only reason is early access to the Inquisition team and/or campaign rules. If it matched the price of the individual components combined, then more people would buy it (for early access), but it would almost certainly not sell out in minutes because some folks would be priced out and others would opt to wait to get just the bits they wanted. The cheaper it gets, the higher the demand.

 Taarnak wrote:

 kodos wrote:
If the prices of discount boxes are higher than it is less attractive for reseller and there will be more boxes available for MSRP

That seems logical, but I have a suspicion that would not ever be the case. It would simply mean even higher prices on the secondary market, not an increase of availability at GW. The artificial scarcity is the driving issue, IMO.

The thing is, I'd say the majority of the secondary market is based on the cost of the individual items added together. It's not the total price but rather the price compared to buying the items separately that is the issue. If the reseller can make their money back off half the contents it becomes a much less risky proposition to get as many as possible to resell, whereas if they had to sell 80% if the box to make their money back it becomes a more risky proposition, especially as the boxes usually contain a couple 'chaff' units added in to pad the value, the Storm Troopers and SoS in this box for instance.

Like with the boxes were only two 30€ heroes are the only one guaranteed to sell in a 200€ box, buying 10 is not worth doing as the chance or a loss high

If there are 2 units inside that alone are going for 200€, you are even making profit by selling everything else for 40% msrp

A bundle box being just 30% discount rather than 50% there will be more boxes for those that really want the content

That GW is overpriced and not worth to buy at 30% discount is a different problem not relsted to those boxes

 Geifer wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
If the discount was not so much, the demand would not be as fierce.
More reasonable discounts in these boxes, and the scalpers would not have the returns they need to make it such a problem for us.

Another one? Being unhappy that GW's prices are too low seems to be contagious.

Consider that the problem is the absurd base price GW asks for some trashy cultists. Ashes of Faith is a pretty normal number of models for a pretty normal GW price, very much comparable to other such boxes. It's not the Kill Team box that makes the discount look so good.

It's not that the prices are too low (no-one is saying that), but when a discounted box appears and people compare to the usual high prices of the contents, the usual price-gouging shows through more and people rush for the chance to save.

Ashes of Faith is not a normal box though, The rules and game in it are not available elsewhere, but the Gallowfall sets and others are.


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TheGoodGerman wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:
If the discount was not so much, the demand would not be as fierce.
More reasonable discounts in these boxes, and the scalpers would not have the returns they need to make it such a problem for us.

If the price tag was higher, there still wouldn’t be more boxes around and we‘d be just as unhappy. Maybe even more so, because on average we would have paid more for exactly the same contents.

You missed my point. Scalping wouldn't happen if the price difference was not so great.
Yes, we'd pay more, but more of us would get it at the MSRP, still lower than the individual kits.
It is the huge discount that makes these attractive to scalpers. Less discount = less scalping, and more on the shelf at a still-discounted price.

The stores in my local area had no more than one box in today, including the big inner-city store.

My partner managed to pick one up at a different store to the one I tried, which had someone who had been waiting from 08:30 (I was there 40 minutes before opening). They all open at 10:00 round here.

Huh - managed to grab one mid-afternoon from my LFGS, so I guess I was lucky in that regard.

Just missed out on grabbing a "cheap" autosavant on ebay by seconds, so I'm a bit miffed. Its the only model I really want from that set (though the servitor is very nice too)

I don't suppose I'll get the chance again until the kill-team is released separately.

Well, Gallowfall individual accessory sprues seem to be selling at £20 just for one. And you get two in the box.
That would make a nice bit back on them if you didn’t want those bits. And had managed to get a box of course

Danny76 wrote:
Well, Gallowfall individual accessory sprues seem to be selling at £20 just for one. And you get two in the box.

And when GW releases them - if they release them - they'll be AUD$60 per sprue, so I'll take my chances on eBay.

Thanks for the reminder though. I hadn't even thought to look. Now I have 4 on the way.

Should have my Ashes box within the week, excited to start the Campaign!

I need to get me some Daemon models, was thinking we could spice up the Narrative by mixing up the chaos side in the campaign, alternating the chaos team between Cultists, Blooded, Fellgor Ravagers and Daemons. Make some house rule table D6 to see who the inq team is playing the next mission against, something like:
1-3 Cultists
4 Blooded
5 Fellgor Ravagers
6 Daemons

Except for the "Ritual" mission, that one would always be played against the Cultists. Something like that.. Yeah, after revisiting the Compendium, I most definitely want to include a Tzeentch Daemons team of pink & blue horrors LOL Sounds like a PITA team to play against, especially if I blow all my CP on splitting horrors

Already secured that Valkyrie, just need to build it. It will get used as obscuring terrain in the Inq team's DZ on some missions, and functions as the Inq team's Base of Ops for the whole Narrative Campaign.

Really like how Ashes style campaign can make use of most of my KT21 stuff. The game needs more Narrative boxes like this

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Well, Gallowfall individual accessory sprues seem to be selling at £20 just for one. And you get two in the box.

And when GW releases them - if they release them - they'll be AUD$60 per sprue, so I'll take my chances on eBay.

Thanks for the reminder though. I hadn't even thought to look. Now I have 4 on the way.

I suppose it’s slightly more understandable than the Kill Teams. Going for £45-£65 and we know they’ll be less than that even from GW when they come..
They just can’t wait..

But that is the point, you never know if they are less from GW or if they get a price increase and with the stand alone release

Danny76 wrote:
They just can’t wait..

Yeah... I wouldn't buy any of the individual Kill Teams on eBay. That way lies madness (and a lot less money!).

And again, thanks for the reminder. I went and searched for every version of those sprues I could find, compared about 8 of them, and found the best price. It's a bit more expensive than the price GW will eventually sell them (if they do sell them) but the place was also selling no-box on-sprue Scarab Occult Terminators for half the price there are in Oz, and I needed 5 more to complete my 1KSons, so it all works out.

 kodos wrote:
But that is the point, you never know if they are less from GW or if they get a price increase and with the stand alone release

Quite right. I sold my Breachers for USD $50 + shipping. GW now sells them for $60. And one must recall that 14-15% of the sale price goes to eBay, not the seller.

Wrong thread...

I've been thinking about the latest CURAC batrep, and I think Vet Guard are not the best ancillary to take against the Cult. Also, his Agent operative selection had only one decent melee operative. I think you almost always want to take a mix of melee and long range shooting operatives against the Cult, and use shooting early in the game, switching to melee during the later turning points.

You'd want melee operatives with as much damage output as possible against mutants and torments, since they are so good with it, realistically you can hope to score 1 or two hits against a mutant before they kill you, so you need to have power in those few hits. Doubly so because of the 5+ FNP

Maybe CURAC's issue was that he tried to build both his Agents and his ancillaries as two separate teams, rather than one synergistic whole? If you take a shooty Vet Guard ancillary, then perhaps you need to take a melee focused Agents half.. Or with a shooty Agents half, you want to be spamming SoS executioner blade ops as ancillary..

So I got my hands on an Ashes of Faith box. I have a question for anyone else who got one.

Are there.. not the correct base sizes in it for the miniatures?

The construction booklet references x9 32MM bases and x2 28MM bases. However between the Dark Commune (a 5 man 'unit') and the SoS (another 5 man "unit) that's x10 32MM bases, and then the servitor is also supposed to be on a 32 MM base (per the booklet) meaning that the box is actually two short? And in addition to that, leafing through the booklet, I cannot find a single miniature it says is supposed to be on a 28MM base.

Am I daft? Did I miss something here?

 morganfreeman wrote:
So I got my hands on an Ashes of Faith box. I have a question for anyone else who got one.

Are there.. not the correct base sizes in it for the miniatures?

The construction booklet references x9 32MM bases and x2 28MM bases. However between the Dark Commune (a 5 man 'unit') and the SoS (another 5 man "unit) that's x10 32MM bases, and then the servitor is also supposed to be on a 32 MM base (per the booklet) meaning that the box is actually two short? And in addition to that, leafing through the booklet, I cannot find a single miniature it says is supposed to be on a 28MM base.

Am I daft? Did I miss something here?

Yes, you are missing something: the Dark Commune is actually coming with mixed base sizes, the two 'bodyguard' minis go on 28mm bases:

The models come on 32 mm bases, except for the Blessed Blades, which go on the rather new 28 mm bases, and like the Cultists, these are monopose models on a single medium-size sprue. There are no build options or optional parts, which is acceptable for an HQ choice, but a selection of heads or standards for personalization would have been welcome.

https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-chaos-space-marine-cultists-dark-commune/

Would not have been my first guess either, but there you go.

Yeah, this was discussed about in Reddit also, it's a typo/omission in the build instructions.

Got my Ashes box yesterday, the amount of cardboard stuff was a surprise. Still dont get why the book content got split up in two separate books, that stuff could have easily been combined into one, neither of the books is very thick, thinner than an average KT21 campaign book in any case. The book with the team rules has no missions, which is a bummer

Unsure what I'll do with the Cults and Inq, both teams would be ideal candidates for kitbashing/conversions. But desire to start playing the Campaign ASAP is strong, suppose I can just play with blutac'd models to start with

 tauist wrote:
Yeah, this was discussed about in Reddit also, it's a typo/omission in the build instructions.

Got my Ashes box yesterday, the amount of cardboard stuff was a surprise. Still dont get why the book content got split up in two separate books, that stuff could have easily been combined into one, neither of the books is very thick, thinner than an average KT21 campaign book in any case. The book with the team rules has no missions, which is a bummer

Unsure what I'll do with the Cults and Inq, both teams would be ideal candidates for kitbashing/conversions. But desire to start playing the Campaign ASAP is strong, suppose I can just play with blutac'd models to start with

They'll publish the 'factions' book on its own like the other books, and the campaig stuff wouldn't fit there without the extra stickers and such.

Myself, all those extra cultists are an excuse to make two Inquisition teams, one puritan and one radical. Daemonhost for icon bearer...

Here's some more miniatures related stuff, perhaps of interest to converters?

The only interesting bits in the kit for kitbash is the shotgun arm because it has left hand on the trigger and pointing right, which is extremely rare for 2 handed guns made by GW.

Chopstick wrote:
The only interesting bits in the kit for kitbash is the shotgun arm because it has left hand on the trigger and pointing right, which is extremely rare for 2 handed guns made by GW.

The plastic Inquisition icon - and the Inquisition shoulder pads! - are quite nice as well. A shame that the heads aren't too interesting.

kitbashing a non available set is just kind pointless. I think it would be better to kitbash sets that are currently available.

I don't even bother watching KT reviews anymore, there isn't much of a point when the product isn't available. I know it isn't the influencers fault that they are not available but part of it just feels like rubbing salt in an open wound to me. I guess I am just not that masocistic.

I was trying to remember last night, there wasn't any SM Kill Teams released, was there?

I know there was rules in the Compendium and the Intercessors in the Lite rules, but no teams released in the sets.

Part of me was thinking were they holding off until 10th 40K hit, then follow up with Kill Team for new Space Marine teams.

Ancient Otter wrote:
I was trying to remember last night, there wasn't any SM Kill Teams released, was there?

I know there was rules in the Compendium and the Intercessors in the Lite rules, but no teams released in the sets.

Part of me was thinking were they holding off until 10th 40K hit, then follow up with Kill Team for new Space Marine teams.

There are rumours for a boxed set with Scouts vs. Eldar, and for some sort of KillTeam-cum-Space Hulk set that involves new Termies and supposedly new Genestealers.

Marines had a Kill Team of Inwhatevers (the ones with the Apothecary upgrade) plus upgrade sprue against Traitor Guard in the Moroch box.

 Geifer wrote:
Marines had a Kill Team of Inwhatevers (the ones with the Apothecary upgrade) plus upgrade sprue against Traitor Guard in the Moroch box.

And the random box SM heros product is now also a Killteam.

Has there been any info on when the Votann box is released seperately?

Tsagualsa wrote:

There are rumours for a boxed set with Scouts vs. Eldar, and for some sort of KillTeam-cum-Space Hulk set that involves new Termies and supposedly new Genestealers.

Would make sense to hold off the Termies v Genestealers till after 10K launched with the new Termies.

Geifer wrote:Marines had a Kill Team of Inwhatevers (the ones with the Apothecary upgrade) plus upgrade sprue against Traitor Guard in the Moroch box.

Completely forgot about those!

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Marines had a Kill Team of Inwhatevers (the ones with the Apothecary upgrade) plus upgrade sprue against Traitor Guard in the Moroch box.

And the random box SM heros product is now also a Killteam.

and these guys. Thanks for reminding me folks.