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**Klowny**

Masters Day 1 report

Me cron's.... went 2-1. Lost to the winner of the last major tournament, Round 1. The Maelstrom part was -1 to hit >18" so that really boned my shooty army. But that is the way its designed. Did 88w to his shadowstormbladelord (there was a mallion of these, the <32PL superheavies). After that celestine tore up my lines, and I just didn't have the bodies to counteract his and he overwhelmed me. 0-20 loss, he scored like 15 points, controlled the board and KEPT getting CP back ><

Second match was against a codex nids list, scythed herodule or something like that. The walking one, was him, a flying hivetyrant, the stormlord, exocrine, psykers, -1 to hit bugs, tervigons and devgaunts shooting twice. He played his list poorly, had alot of firepower but he didn't protect from the alpha well enough and I decimated his big bugs fairly quickly. 18-2 win for me

Third match was against GK, had a DK, Stormraven, Voldus, ven las dred, lots of flamers and paladins. He got first, took out my TA and DDA, at which point I thought it was gonna be a struggle but I tanked it out, and managed to table him, and score like 49-21! so 20-0 win to me.

So my list was:

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So I bumrush the wraiths, C'tan and scarabs up the board, and clash as far foward as I need, then have them constantly disengage and my bikes and tesla blast away, then soak another charge and repeat ad infinitum. The big guns synergise SO well together, pylon and stalker is a necessity I feel now, its buff is a significant increase in power. The DDA and TA usually kill whatever they tag-team and giving the stalkers buff to a squad that my MWBD tesla immortals are looking at makes hordes wither.

Wraiths -

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Tomb blades -

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Pylon -

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DDA vs TA -

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**torblind**

Great write-up, as always.

Right, so I just placed the order for my first two Tesseract Arks, guess there's no other way.

Glad to see the Nightbringer is viable.

**epaemil**

Wait why get two Tesseract Arks? What makes you say that there's no other way?

**torblind**

Well it does a few things the DArk does not, moves and puts out higher damage, has anti CC mechanic, has an invul. And it has matching damage output on hordes. Also D6 hits is almost twice as much as D3 hits.

**sieGermans**

Full write-up to follow, but came in 4th out of 42 players, going 3-0. Opponents were: Sisters of Battle, AdMech, and Guilliman (Primaris based).

**DaKhriS**

Hiya Phaerons,

Little question aimed at the gathered knowledge here on this forum.

Me and e couple of gamers are doing a Tale of Painters competition starting with PL25 by the end of Nov, going up gradually.
My starting list is Lord + 10 Warriors + 3 Scarabs + 3 Scarabs + 2 Destroyers + Spyder (got it as a gift from one of them so there I go) for 4CP.
I am facing Harlequins, Deathwatch, CSM, Catachans, Nids and Sisters.
Any idea on what I should take for my next 10PL?

I have the following available:

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**Pyrothem**

Question. Can you change up your list or only add to it?

**skoffs**

DaKhriS wrote:

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Hiya Phaerons,

Little question aimed at the gathered knowledge here on this forum.

Me and e couple of gamers are doing a Tale of Painters competition starting with PL25 by the end of Nov, going up gradually.
My starting list is Lord + 10 Warriors + 3 Scarabs + 3 Scarabs + 2 Destroyers + Spyder (got it as a gift from one of them so there I go) for 4CP.
I am facing Harlequins, Deathwatch, CSM, Catachans, Nids and Sisters.
Any idea on what I should take for my next 10PL?

I have the following available:
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12 Wraiths
2 Triarch Stalkers
1 Night Scythe
10 Gauss Immortals
1 CCB
2 Annibarges
21 Scarabs
50 Warriors
2 Crypteks
1 Illuminor Szeras
1 Overlord
I thought about taking 3 Wraiths and a Destroyer,
or a Stalker or a Night Scythe basically, maybe Annibarge + Destroyer

Any thoughts?

Right now the only thing I can see doing well in your starting list is the Scarabs (but it would be better to have them combined into one 6 strong unit).

Pyrothem wrote:
Question. Can you change up your list or only add to it?

(If he can change his list)-
Any chance you can switch out that Lord for an Overlord and those Warriors for (tesla) Immortals?
Do that, combined with the 6 Scarabs, and you'll have one hell of a nasty little starting force.

But for clarification's sake, you're starting out at 25 PL, right? (not building up to 25, yes?)
How much do you add to it each time?

As for upgrading your army,
Maybe add in the remaining Scarabs and then the Wraiths.
2 Heat Ray Stalkers + 2 Annihilation Barges would make for a scary team against low armor targets.
Maybe even switch the Overlord for the CCB to get some Quantum Shielding spam going on.

If playing on PL only, remember that you can give your guys all the most expensive upgrades without it affecting their price, so load up on everything.

If I was making a 25 point list with what you've got:

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**DaKhriS**

Thanks for the replies.

Probably Will have you go get me some Tesla Immortals then?

I should probably mention that I go Maynarkh Dynasty, so Toholk will probably make it in as well as some Canoptek Constructs (next FW purchase most likely a Gauss Pylon and 2 Tomb Sentinels). Also fluff-wise, Maynarkh is aggressive so destroyers are Nice. Just don't want flayers.

We are starting off at PL25 (about 500pts) but later on it might turn into Points, so I hope that by then chapter approved is out with some point reductions

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OH, I could drop Lord and 1 Destroyer foto a CCB maybe?

**skoffs**

DaKhriS wrote:
destroyers are Nice

Don't get me wrong, I love Destroyers, but... at the moment they're just not a good choice (they perform well, it's just they're so over priced it's ridiculous, especially considering how easy they are to take down in the current meta).
Until Chapter Approved does something to fix them, I might suggest using points you were considering using on them on something else instead.

**DaKhriS**

That bad eh.

Well I Know for one that they Catachan dude has a Lemon and 3 missile Sentinels in his Force so that would be bad for the destroyers, but I don't have any anders to kill it without the destroyers unless you expect me toch rush it with scarabs..

2 destroyers get me 3 wraiths tho...
Also have a Night Scythe ready so might that work?

**epaemil**

So why take heat ray on Stalkers? Isn't the Gauss cannon better since the Stalker can stay further back and still put out serious damage?

**Requizen**

Should see some Chapter Approved rules tomorrow, wonder what's in store for us.

**DaKhriS**

You, it'll be certain to change my lists for days to come

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skoffs wrote:
DaKhriS wrote:
destroyers are Nice

Don't get me wrong, I love Destroyers, but... at the moment they're just not a good choice (they perform well, it's just they're so over priced it's ridiculous, especially considering how easy they are to take down in the current meta).
Until Chapter Approved does something to fix them, I might suggest using points you were considering using on them on something else instead.

As it's not really tournament style I will try this PL25 list on Wednesday against Harlies:

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I know it's not our best units (and not cheap either). But he is fast with this list:

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I just hope he can't chew through 9 Destroyer Wounds in one time and that I get good RP rolls :/

Cheers

**Dew**

They probably will. My destroyers get wiped off the board turn one almost every time if I can't go first

**Klowny**

Wraiths>scarabs in every metric except price point. TA are far and above better than tomb stalkers/sentinels. Destoryers are too expensive, but chapter approved is coming out in 2 weeks, may see a price drop.

**JNAProductions**

Klowny wrote:
Wraiths>scarabs in every metric except price point. TA are far and above better than tomb stalkers/sentinels. Destoryers are too expensive, but chapter approved is coming out in 2 weeks, may see a price drop.

Except that Scarabs, point for point, do more damage than Wraiths. Wraiths pack a bigger punch into one model, but if you can get equal amounts (in points) of Scarabs as you can Wraiths into one target, the Scarabs do better.

Not gonna happen against a small model, like say a Captain. But against a big one, like a Land Raider?

**Klowny**

I apologise, you are right on that regard, in a perfect world scarabs will out-damage wraiths. On the other hand scarabs die to a stiff breeze and are usually too spread out to get every model into combat.

I should have clarified, for their intended purpose, wraiths are better than scarabs. The purpose is to not die and harass other units. Neither squad does much in combat offensively, but wraiths just. dont. die.

Over the weekend I had wraiths tie up 4 kastellan robots +2 onager dunecrawlers for 3 turns, a swarmlord for 4 game turns, a GM dreadknight and a paladin squad for 2 turns (before kiting away at 5/6 strength), mortarion for 2 turns. Scarabs wouldnt be able to survive a single round of combat with any of those units. 3++ T5 12" ignoring everything is much, much better than T3 6+.

Against a land raider scarabs do .7 more of a wound than wraiths, so 2 wounds compared to 1.3 if Tor's calculator is correct.

**skoffs**

DaKhriS wrote:
Also have a Night Scythe ready so might that work?

Depends on what you're hoping to use that Night Scythe for.
If it's for transport, be prepared to be disappointed (guys have to get out before Scythe moves, and then can't move after that, only shoot. Dies easily, so if you've still got guys inside and that was your only portal, they're dead too).
If you're using it as a flying Annihilation Barge... it's okay.
(Once again, something that desperately needs fixing in C.A)

**torblind**

My calculator is *always* correct

**JNAProductions**

2 compared to 1.3 is a pretty hefty greater than 50% improvement. Admittedly, neither does much, but Necrons don't have the best anti-tank at the moment.

Another thing to consider is Mortal Wounds, which chop through both like butter-but Wraiths, being pricier, feel it harder.

I definitely think Wraiths have a place in Necron lists, but to say they're ALWAYS better than Scarabs doesn't sit well with me.

**skoffs**

It's too bad we don't have one of those simulation runners that can settle things for us (you know, the ones that will be like "Who would win between 1000 Spartans and 1000 Samurai" and it will calculate the stats between the two forces and run the simulation a million times or whatever and give you the results).

Or maybe we do.
I don't know, I'm bad at math.

**torblind**

Well, what kind of simulation would you like to see?

**skoffs**

I dunno, roughly equal points worth (let's say around 230 points) of Wraiths (6) and Scarabs (18) separately pairing off against various common targets? (simulated repeatedly for more accurate testing)

**DaKhriS**

Well hearing all that changed my plan yet again (which I can, as tomorrow is my first game in our little competition).

So for PL25 (actualiteit PL24) I plan tot go Patrol with:
Cryptek, 10 Warriors, Spyder, 3 Scarabs and 2 Destroyers.
This because I need the Destroyers against his Starweaver.

When upgrading to PL35 I Will probably changed into Outrider Detachment and add:
Wraiths, 3 Scarabs and a Heavy Destroyer.

Does this look better then?

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skoffs wrote:
DaKhriS wrote:
Also have a Night Scythe ready so might that work?

Depends on what you're hoping to use that Night Scythe for.
If it's for transport, be prepared to be disappointed (guys have to get out before Scythe moves, and then can't move after that, only shoot. Dies easily, so if you've still got guys inside and that was your only portal, they're dead too).
If you're using it as a flying Annihilation Barge... it's okay.
(Once again, something that desperately needs fixing in C.A)

So would be a hard to hit annihilation Barge without QS and 1 less Tesla Cannon?

**Odrankt**

So for PL25 (actualiteit PL24) I plan tot go Patrol with:
Cryptek, 10 Warriors, Spyder, 3 Scarabs and 2 Destroyers.
This because I need the Destroyers against his Starweaver.

What about something like this?

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**Ghaz**

From the thread in News & Rumours:

Daedalus81 wrote:
Natfka has details on Necrons, Orks, and Tau - presumably from the same source.

Necrons
Warlord Trait- Reduce damage inflicted on your Warlord by 1 with a minimum of 1.
Relic- 1 time per battle at the end of movement phase, remove the bearer of the relic and one unit within 3" and set them up anywhere on the battlefield out side of 9" away from enemy models
Stratagems
1. 2CP a Canoptek unit at the beginning of your turn gains Reanimation protocols until end of turn
2. 2CP re-roll reanimation protocol rolls of 1 this turn.

**Requizen**

Getting Veil back is nice. You can now do a cheeky teleport where an HQ takes Zahndrekh with the Veil, and then Obyron takes Flayed Ones/Lychguard/etc. Basically what we were trying to do with the Deceiver but more reliably.

Strats are nice but nothing special. Wording makes it sound like Reanimation might change in how it works/when you roll it, but we'll have to see.

**torblind**

Nice, we get the Veil back. That was bound to happen.

And harvest wraiths, if only for a turn.

Rerolling RP rolls of 1 is also an old friend returning.

**epaemil**

What is this Veil you're speaking of? Am new