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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

Hey,

Any thoughts on how i van get a noce metalloc red? So far I've tried the following to know no avail:

all over a black base coat

1- chainmail with numerous baal red washes
2- a mix of blood red, baal red, and chainmail
3- 1:1 blood red and shining gold

The first looks too purple, the second looks terracotta, the 3rd just looks like blood red


I found this picture and tutorial, the bloke that did it just used chainmail and red ink, yet that hasn't worked for me! any thoughts?
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BSG fighters done in the red that im looking for


   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




UK

baal red is a wash, not an ink, its much, much more diluted than an ink and has additives to break surface tension so that it flows into the nooks and crannies. Vallejo and many other companies still sell inks. Theres also transparent colours made by companies like golden that should work.

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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

Awesome, just look at vallejo on wayland games site, is it their pigment range that I need to check out?

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




UK

it should just be called red ink. Doesnt seem like the have it at wayland tho. They do have a p3 red ink tho, i would think that would be ok, but maybe better to wait until someone else can confirm http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/privateer-press/paints-and-tools/p3-paints/pip-93013-red-ink/prod_5387.html

Im not quite sure what the pigment range is, vallejo seem to have an endless product catalogue!
   
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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

Tell me about it lol

Can anyone else confirm the vallejo range that i need to look at, or if the p3 will give me the shade shown.on the above picture?

   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





USA

The best way to achieve the metallic colored look is to do what is called a candy paint job. In the auto-painting industry this is done a few different ways, the most easy one that can applied to this hobby is to simply put a coat of metallic down, followed by a clear colored coat, and then seal it with a high-gloss finish.

This model motorcycle that I have been working on for some time;



Was done that way. The base coat was a color similar to Chainmail, and the red is Tamyia Clear Red air brushed on, then the surface was seal with a layer of future floor polish. You could get more of an "Iron Man" looking red if you went with a gold base coat instead.

Ashton

   
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Kelne



Lost

I believe a Vallejo sell glaze medium to increase surface tension too. You could probably try to hit some blood red with it.
   
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Gargantuan Gargant





North Charleston, SC

Wayland does carry it, they just don't have a separate category for inks. Vallejo Game Ink, Red, #72086, hidden at the end of the Game Color Range.

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Longtime Dakkanaut




UK

oadie wrote:Wayland does carry it, they just don't have a separate category for inks. Vallejo Game Ink, Red, #72086, hidden at the end of the Game Color Range.


Good find I just put "Vallejo red ink" into search thinking that would find it, but apparently not!
   
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North Charleston, SC

Sneaky buggers, aren't they? If I hadn't had a bottle on hand to see that it was the VGC range, I'd have given up before finding it on the very last page.

If the OP doesn't mind buying further painting supplies, I'd recommend it. I've only put it over darker metallics (Boltgun vs. Mithril), but I think inks are the way to go, here, unless you want to deal with enamels (Testors is a safe bet), which have a wider range of (very nice looking, admittedly) metallic colors.

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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

I've placed an order for the vallejo red ink as mentioned above, im set on that color and at just £2 I couldn't say no! Stocked up on my golds n silvers too.

Thanks to everyone for the pointers, I'll upload a pic with the results when I get them through!

   
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Lady of the Lake






kitch102 wrote:1- chainmail with numerous baal red washes


Replace the chainmail with a gold and the baal red with a red ink and it's good.
Needs to be thin coats though allowed to dry properly so it doesn't pool and to ensure you don't over do the red and lose the shine.

   
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Three Color Minimum





West Coast of the USA

Vallejo makes a Metallic Red in their Model Air line. "Turn Signal Red" http://www.thewarstore.com/product43583.html. It looks almost exactly like what you are looking for on those BSG ships you gave as an example. The pigment is extra fine because of it being an airbrush paint, so it shimmers very nicely

Another option is there is metallic red ink, Shimmering Red to be exact. For inks the Daler Rowney inks are top notch. I use quite a few of them.

I'd give the Vellejo Turn Signal Red a try first. Seriously, it looks almost identical to what you are looking for.

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Redfinger wrote: You could get more of an "Iron Man" looking red if you went with a gold base coat instead.


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Longtime Dakkanaut




UK

n0t_u wrote:
Needs to be thin coats though allowed to dry properly so it doesn't pool and to ensure you don't over do the red and lose the shine.


+1 to this, dab off excess ink from your brush on some paper towel first.
   
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Sister Vastly Superior






Canada

You can also give Reaper Ruby Red a try. It's a ready-made metallic red.

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Longtime Dakkanaut




UK

MrGiggles wrote:You can also give Reaper Ruby Red a try. It's a ready-made metallic red.


you cant actually buy reaper paints in the uk, its very annoying
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





New Zealand

I second Tamiya Clear Red over a metallic base coat - I've used it for Khorne Berzerkers to good effect.
   
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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

Now that I've spent money on new gear (p3 red wash, turn signal red and more gold) I've just gone to strip the prior attempts. Noticed that the chainmail / blood red / baal red mix actually turned out quite well after all, not perfect but close and this is only 1 layer! Still, looking forward to getting the new gear through!

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Arlington, VA, USA

Synchro wrote:I'd give the Vellejo Turn Signal Red a try first. Seriously, it looks almost identical to what you are looking for.


I've tried that paint--one note is that, as Synchro said, it is in the Model Air range. I don't have an airbrush and had problems getting a good coverage, which I suspect is related to that, so abandoned my attempt at metallic red with it. But if you have an airbrush, presumably it would work fine.

(Or, it could be that I just had a dodgy bottle.)
   
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West Coast of the USA

I was painting with it last night with a brush and mine covers just fine. You sure you shook it up enough?
   
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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

'allo, me again.

Got the TSR through, thanks for the recommend, it's almost exactly what I'm looking for, any recommendations on how to darken it a bit without losing the metallic sheen?

Tried it out for the first time last night, it's nicely metallic, though I really struggled to get anything but a coat of watery flecks on there. How long do you need to shake it up for or is there some prep that I may have missed?


   
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You know they make metallic paint medium that you can just mix in with any paint.

It's like 5 bucks for a tube that lasts forever.

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There are also transparent "airbrush" paints that are sold at michaels, I use these over mithril for my grey knight swordsman shoulderpads and it looks better than the baal IMHO


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Leeds, UK

I thought medium was intended to thin paint? I need to thicken it (I think, just make it less watery)

Kinda hoped I wouldn't have to buy any more products if im honest, will try it out tonight but just as point of theory, what do you think to me adding some red gore to it to thicken and darken a bit? Maybe a spot of met gold from GW to retain the metallic element?

   
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In my experience, metallic medium looks bad, its just hard to get the right mixture and it makes your paint closer to pink.

I went washes as well, but it took too many coats to maintain my patience, baal /does/ give a better color, butt he 2$ michaels transparent red did the job in 2 coats as opposed to like 6.

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kitch102 wrote:I thought medium was intended to thin paint? I need to thicken it (I think, just make it less watery)

Kinda hoped I wouldn't have to buy any more products if im honest, will try it out tonight but just as point of theory, what do you think to me adding some red gore to it to thicken and darken a bit? Maybe a spot of met gold from GW to retain the metallic element?


Paint is made of medium and pigment. The medium is the goop that hardens and does the paint things. The pigment is just colored bits floating in it. Most game paints already have more pigment than they need, so adding a special medium like gloss or pearl or what have you doesn't change the color enough to notice.

But it certainly doesn't "thin" anything, since the medium basically IS what makes the paint behave the way it does in the first place.

Mixing with a silver paint is definitely the safer way to do it for beginners, but metallic medium is part of the toolkit and is pretty useful if you get a good one.

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UK

have you tried the red ink over a silver yet?
   
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Secret Inquisitorial Eldar Xenexecutor





Leeds, UK

The P3? Not yet, I'll be having a go at that tonight over chainmail (I dont have any mithril otherwise I'd use that instead). I'll also be doing it over burnished gold to see which gives the best result

   
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USA

Rented Tritium wrote:
kitch102 wrote:I thought medium was intended to thin paint? I need to thicken it (I think, just make it less watery)

Kinda hoped I wouldn't have to buy any more products if im honest, will try it out tonight but just as point of theory, what do you think to me adding some red gore to it to thicken and darken a bit? Maybe a spot of met gold from GW to retain the metallic element?


Paint is made of medium and pigment. The medium is the goop that hardens and does the paint things. The pigment is just colored bits floating in it. Most game paints already have more pigment than they need, so adding a special medium like gloss or pearl or what have you doesn't change the color enough to notice.


Actually paint is pigment+binder+medium. The binder is the goop that causes the paint to catalyst or harden. The medium is simply a neutral solution that everything is suspended in...Water is a form of medium....personally I feel that those metallic mediums are crap.

Ashton

   
 
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