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Who do you want for President in 2012. Any republican or democrat.

Obama. No republican please, it's obvious many of them are insane.

I read an interesting article in the Economist, but in a nushell, this is a golden opportunity for the Republicans because Obama is clearly beatable, and yet, this far in and still they ain't got their gak together.

Every Republican candidate is pandering to the extremists in the party who believe that they must stick with their ridiculous fatwas. Perry is getting it in the neck for subsiding immigrants kids, Gingrich is having to backpeddle on any mention of climate change, Romney has flip flopped on the abortion issue too many times to mention.

Obama will win because the GOP have gak for brains. And it's a crying shame, because I don't want Obama to win.

Obama, please. No suitable democratic candidate has put their foot in the door to stop him from winning. And we all know that the republicans are running a circus this election, so I wouldn't worry too much about them.

Also, everyone who's posted before me is from the UK. LOL

Palin 2012.

Edit: Oh... she's not running. Well that's just ruined my year.

I'm somewhat surprised that Tony Blair hasn't tried to run given how much he loves the USA

A Republican win would be a disaster - all the candidates running should be locked in an Alaskan log cabin and forced to listen to Cliff Richard - they deserve no less

If Obama wins it's a disaster for America due to the GOP controlling (or predicted to) both houses = gridlock.

In any event, the whole show is a circus. And god forbid a Texan should enter 1600

I personally don't care, and probably won't vote.

I like discussing politics for the same reason many other people seem to enjoy discussing American Idol, or gossiping about celebrities (something I also love).

That said, I would vote against Ron Paul.

mattyrm wrote: I read an interesting article in the Economist, but in a nushell, this is a golden opportunity for the Republicans because Obama is clearly beatable, and yet, this far in and still they ain't got their gak together.

Every Republican candidate is pandering to the extremists in the party who believe that they must stick with their ridiculous fatwas. Perry is getting it in the neck for subsiding immigrants kids, Gingrich is having to backpeddle on any mention of climate change, Romney has flip flopped on the abortion issue too many times to mention.

Obama will win because the GOP have gak for brains. And it's a crying shame, because I don't want Obama to win.

My thoughts exactly.

Being a wee child of 23, I'm curious. Has there ever been an election of this sort before? As in where one guy you don't want to win will win because all the other candidates are on and off crazy?

Necroshea wrote:

mattyrm wrote: I read an interesting article in the Economist, but in a nushell, this is a golden opportunity for the Republicans because Obama is clearly beatable, and yet, this far in and still they ain't got their gak together.

Every Republican candidate is pandering to the extremists in the party who believe that they must stick with their ridiculous fatwas. Perry is getting it in the neck for subsiding immigrants kids, Gingrich is having to backpeddle on any mention of climate change, Romney has flip flopped on the abortion issue too many times to mention.

Obama will win because the GOP have gak for brains. And it's a crying shame, because I don't want Obama to win.

My thoughts exactly.

Being a wee child of 23, I'm curious. Has there ever been an election of this sort before? As in where one guy you don't want to win will win because all the other candidates are on and off crazy?

Every one of them?

Necroshea, it has happened before Bush Vs Gore and Bush Vs Kerry.

Why isn't there a third force in the USA? Why???

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Why isn't there a third force in the USA? Why???

That would be far too complex; how can you be expected to blame 2 entire other groups of people for everything that has gone wrong?

They're called "independents", and they're to blame for every tragedy in history



There's a green party, apparently. But that isn't a color of the flag, so it won't stick.

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:Necroshea, it has happened before Bush Vs Gore and Bush Vs Kerry.

No it didn't.

Bush won for a number of reasons, not because Kerry and Gore were batgak crazy. In fact, a lot of people thought that either of them would have made a good president. Particularly those who voted for them.

Obama won in '08 due to a number of reasons, one of the biggest was the perception that McCain was too close, politically, to Bush.

I'll probably vote for the Republican nominee, unless somehow Ron Paul pulls it out. Then I'll probably not vote for a presidential candidate. There's no way I would vote for Obama, even if he were the preferable choice, because of how he (and the DNC in general) interpreted his 53-47 win over McCain as a 'mandate' to do whatever the hell he wanted. A wider margin would only serve to further inflate his ego.

Ron Paul. All the way. And I'm not even from America.

Not Obama....after that I could probably care less who gets elected (unless they are more Govt. Control/giving money we don't have to those who don't deserve it)

biccat wrote:
Obama won in '08 due to a number of reasons, one of the biggest was the perception that McCain was too close, politically, to Bush.

That, and he was a freaking clown

The only thing McCain had going for him was his POW sympathy card.

biccat wrote:There's no way I would vote for Obama, even if he were the preferable choice, because of how he (and the DNC in general) interpreted his 53-47 win over McCain as a 'mandate' to do whatever the hell he wanted.

That's essentially what victory in a Presidential election entails, regardless of margin.

There are, of course, measures in place to check the power of the Executive, but putting someone in that office is tacit to granting them the mandate to use its power.


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Samus_aran115 wrote:
That, and he was a freaking clown

The only thing McCain had going for him was his POW sympathy card.

I don't think McCain was a clown, his campaign was simply run very poorly.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

biccat wrote:
Obama won in '08 due to a number of reasons, one of the biggest was the perception that McCain was too close, politically, to Bush.

That, and he was a freaking clown

The only thing McCain had going for him was his POW sympathy card.

McCain certainly wasn't a clown. He was an experienced politician who has a history of bipartisan compromise. Instead, he was painted as a far-right conservative and Obama, one of the most liberal Senators during his brief stint, was suggested to be the moderate in the race.

What makes you think McCain was a clown?

Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:A Republican win would be a disaster - all the candidates running should be locked in an Alaskan log cabin and forced to listen to Cliff Richard - they deserve no less

A Republican win will only produce significant change (disastrous or otherwise) if they also carry a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, which doesn't appear likely.

Additionally, the right Republican would need to be elected in order for anything material to be done. Romney, for example, is not likely to produce the same results as Gingrich.


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biccat wrote:Instead, he was painted as a far-right conservative...

He was painted as Bush 3, which isn't necessarily the same thing as being a far-right conservative.

Then he picked Palin, and he was painted as "The guy that picked the hockey mom."

Probably Obama. Failing that, Huntsman. He's the most sane Repub currently running.

biccat wrote:

Obama won in '08 due to a number of reasons, one of the biggest was the perception that McCain was too close, politically, to Bush.

Oh come off it. That wasnt the biggest reason at all. Sure it may have been A reason, but we all know the main one.

I had my missus willing to vote for McCain, and she's a dem!



THAT is the main reason for McCain not getting a sniff.

biccat wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

biccat wrote:
Obama won in '08 due to a number of reasons, one of the biggest was the perception that McCain was too close, politically, to Bush.

That, and he was a freaking clown

The only thing McCain had going for him was his POW sympathy card.

McCain certainly wasn't a clown. He was an experienced politician who has a history of bipartisan compromise. Instead, he was painted as a far-right conservative and Obama, one of the most liberal Senators during his brief stint, was suggested to be the moderate in the race.

What makes you think McCain was a clown?

His policies weren't that far out, and he's been pretty good at making compromises, as far as I've seen. He wouldn't have been a 'terrible' president, but running with Palin made me think he was a clown more than anything.

His demeanor struck me as odd, and he seemed literally devoid of emotion in a lot of video I say around that time. Plus, it seemed like he had problems with simple things like walking around and shaking hands. Franklin Roosevelt was handicapped too, so not saying that's a make or break thing.

I didn't mind him as a person, but again, I thought Palin was the nail in the coffin for him.

That, and the gaffe about the economy. It was his "No new taxes!"

Chowderhead wrote:Probably Obama. Failing that, Huntsman. He's the most sane Repub currently running.

Who? The only candidates I've heard of are Romney, Gingritch and Paul, and that black guy who owned a pizza place

dogma wrote:That, and the gaffe about the economy. It was his "No new taxes!"

True enough old boy, but seriously.. The average dullard doesn't spend as much time reading about politics as us forum nerds do. Matt Damon all over the TV calling her a slow has more of an effect on Joe Public than his silly economical gaffes.

They just see the really really loud, really really obnoxious, really really in your face ridiculous gak.

And that bitch, is ridiculous gak personified.

I was rooting for JM, and I had my dem missus ready and willing to vote for him... until the creature showed up!

mattyrm wrote:



THAT is the main reason for McCain not getting a sniff.

Yeah no one from the NRA would vote for a woman holding a Crossman, GET A REAL GUN B*+€#

An M4 is better, me thinks.

Is that a light gun?

Training rifle thing, I think. Has a cord coming out of it. At a lot of conventions and such, the military has like a mil-sim training thing. Probably what this is.

I used one of them at a navy convention in annapolis.