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So.

I am going to be old enough to vote in the upcoming presidential election. At this point it looks like I am going to have to choose between Obama or whatever Republican shmuck gets nominated, which will most likely be Romney or Santorum. Romney is just plain old sad, as he seems addicted to blaming Obama for everything, plus he cannot seem to ever make up his mind on anything. And, as Santorum wants government to "guide" the way society goes, he has definitely lost my vote.

The only Repub I might vote for is John Huntsman, as he is much more liberal when it comes to society.

So, looks like I may NOT be voting this year.

Poop.

_Tim?

Dude. I could have posted this exact same thread in the exact same words.

Agree on all points. Huntsman is the Democrat's Republican candidate.

Romney has also been centrist, historically. Most of the conservative social stuff came about during this, and the last campaign.

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:At this point it looks like I am going to have to choose between Obama or whatever Republican shmuck gets nominated

Yeah, welcome to American politics. Do you want to vote for the Democrat Schmuck or the Republican Schmuck?

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:which will most likely be Romney or Santorum.

Probably not Santorum. He might do O.K. in South Carolina, but the other primaries are going to throw him out.

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:Romney is just plain old run of the mill, Joe-blow, boring as heck carry-the-party-line Repub

Wait, what?

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:The only Repub I might vote for is John Huntsman, as he is much more liberal when it comes to society.

Like Samus_aran said, Huntsman is the Democrats Republican candidate. He is the "not quite Obama" candidate. He would lose the race pretty handily.

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:So, looks like I may NOT be voting this year.

Poop.

Don't avoid voting. Go to the polls and cast a vote. If you don't know how to vote on some issue either don't mark a box or vote for the 3rd party.

If you don't vote, you can't complain. Remember that

I think it has less to do with policy and more about charisma and charm for a lot of people (to a degree, myself included).

None of the GOP candidates seem to have any notable oration skills or... projection. They all seem like dishonest, scheming old farts to me. Not saying all GOP candidates are awful at these things either.

I'll most likely vote Obama.

Samus_aran115 wrote:If you don't vote, you can't complain. Remember that
.

Why not? No matter who I vote for, I'm getting a candidate I don't think will do a very good job.

Horst wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:If you don't vote, you can't complain. Remember that
.

Why not? No matter who I vote for, I'm getting a candidate I don't think will do a very good job.

Then choose the lesser of two evils

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:Romney is just plain old run of the mill, Joe-blow, boring as heck carry-the-party-line Repub.

So few words demonstrate so clearly how much you know about either the candidates or the party itself.
If Romney is so run of the mill R, WHY DO THE ALL HATE HIM?

As a, thankful, outsider to American politics i always get a bit confused as to all the voting and the people...
However, i will say this. The republican party are good for laughs... though it occurs to me that some of them are serious and that makes me scared...

Well, I'm guessing Tim? is pretty young, if this is his first time voting. I wouldn't blame him for knowing nothing about a candidate he hates

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Horst wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:If you don't vote, you can't complain. Remember that
.

Why not? No matter who I vote for, I'm getting a candidate I don't think will do a very good job.

Then choose the lesser of two evils

So the Libertarian runner?

Why dont we all just write in Stan McChrystal?

Stan McChrystal?


Too lazy to google....too tired

It could be worse. These dual incumbents could have an ad campaign like the one for NJ's governor, which was a horrid, fetid mess of mud and poo-slinging.

I think I'll abstain from the Presidential election this year. No one has earned my vote, yet.

KingCracker wrote:Stan McChrystal?


Too lazy to google....too tired

Retired 4-star general, made famous for resigning due to some ill-advised remarks, made by his aides, to a Rolling Stone reporter.

Am I crazy for just ignoring all of the election campaign hoopla from both sides and voting for Obama for the simple fact of just staying the course?

I don't personally see anything he did that would make me want to vote him out and I see nothing from any Republican candidate that makes me want to vote them in. A change of the guard won't matter with a divided House and Senate anyway, from how I see things. Any change will just be from a black dude getting politically c-blocked to a white guy getting the same.


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dogma wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Stan McChrystal?


Too lazy to google....too tired

Retired 4-star general, made famous for resigning due to some ill-advised remarks, made by his aides, to a Rolling Stone reporter.

Also allegedly covered up Pat Tilmans death, according to some investigators. Seeing him at the court hearing during The Tilman Story just makes me think he's as greasy and corrupt as any career politician.

Historically aren't generals poor performing US presidents anyway?

NELS1031 wrote:Am I crazy for just ignoring all of the election campaign hoopla from both sides and voting for Obama for the simple fact of just staying the course?

I don't personally see anything he did that would make me want to vote him out and I see nothing from any Republican candidate that makes me want to vote them in. A change of the guard won't matter with a divided House and Senate anyway, from how I see things. Any change will just be from a black dude getting politically c-blocked to a white guy getting the same.


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dogma wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Stan McChrystal?


Too lazy to google....too tired

Retired 4-star general, made famous for resigning due to some ill-advised remarks, made by his aides, to a Rolling Stone reporter.

Also allegedly covered up Pat Tilmans death, according to some investigators. Seeing him at the court hearing during The Tilman Story just makes me think he's as greasy and corrupt as any career politician.

Historically aren't generals poor performing US presidents anyway?

Yeah Ike were worst president ever. Expanded Social Security, Built the Interstates, Desegregated Schools, passed Civil Rights Legislation despite LBJ. Bottom of the barrel.

NELS1031 wrote:
Historically aren't generals poor performing US presidents anyway?

Not really, its about as close to an average distribution as you'll get in a set that small. Some good (Washington, Eisenhower), some bad (Pierce, Grant).

Since I started voting, I've had a choice between:

Bush and Gore.
Bush and Kerry.
McCain and Obama.

The primary system pretty much precludes us from getting the next Thomas Jefferson. It's best to make your peace with that and realize you're not voting for the guy you like, you're voting for the guy you hope will feth up less.

However, definitely vote. Bear in mind that 65+ year-old men are making decisions every day that'll have an impact on your future long after they're dead. You want a say.

AustonT wrote:

Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:Romney is just plain old run of the mill, Joe-blow, boring as heck carry-the-party-line Repub.

So few words demonstrate so clearly how much you know about either the candidates or the party itself.
If Romney is so run of the mill R, WHY DO THE ALL HATE HIM?

D'oh! I meant to attribute that statement to Santorum, my bad.

Oh, and next time you catch me making a goof up, try not to be so abrasive, m'kay? I was very tempted to flame you.

_Tim?

Seaward wrote:However, definitely vote. Bear in mind that 65+ year-old men are making decisions every day that'll have an impact on your future long after they're dead. You want a say.

Yeah, it's how the country's developed. Bunch of old farts ruining it for everyone else.

I could live with Huntsman, or possibly even Romney. Hunstman seems pretty sane. With Romney I am disappointed with a lot of the junk coming out of his mouth nowadays, but I recognize it as part and parcel of the current primary environment. In reality he's not all that extreme or stupid. He is disingenuous, but not much moreso than most politicians. The irony of him touting his business experience when that business experience was largely based on looting companies for cash and destroying jobs is pretty thick.

Horst wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:If you don't vote, you can't complain. Remember that
.

Why not? No matter who I vote for, I'm getting a candidate I don't think will do a very good job.

even if the Presidential candidates suck (Terry Roosevelt, where are you!!!) there are lots of sucky Congressional candidates to vote for. Plus yucky state and local elections. Son you have a job to do. Get to it.


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Mannahnin wrote:I could live with Huntsman, or possibly even Romney. Hunstman seems pretty sane. With Romney I am disappointed with a lot of the junk coming out of his mouth nowadays, but I recognize it as part and parcel of the current primary environment. In reality he's not all that extreme or stupid. He is disingenuous, but not much moreso than most politicians. The irony of him touting his business experience when that business experience was largely based on looting companies for cash and destroying jobs is pretty thick.

Holy crap, Mannahnin and I agree completely. Sounds like a wiener dog conspiracy to me.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s08e08-douche-and-turd

I love this election actually, I love it when I can turn on the news and laugh off normally the most boring news.

And with more conservatives announcing there bid for the presidency it just keeps getting better and better.

OMG... Cutest pic EVAR!!!!!1!!1!



And back to the topic at hand...

If i were american id be going for ron paul

I wish Mike Mullen would run. He's a cool guy.

McCrystal was a special forces officer and was a driving force of counter-insurgency doctrine. And we all know how well that worked out.... He wouldn't get my vote, even over Obama.

Same.
Santorum is a freak. After his newborn died he slept with the corpes and toook it home for a few days.
Not to mention he was to outlaw birth-control.
Dont know much about romney.
But obama may have lost my my vote when he sign NDAA.