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What is everyone’s thoughts on the alternate colour schemes in the book?
I quite like the red one, green is ok too.

 Togusa wrote:
So has an entire army ever been banned from tournaments the week it released before? Or is this the first time?

This happened with Orks as well. The reason back then was simply, that since the book is locked in a limited boxed set, it isn't considered part of official circulation that is needed for tournaments. The same would apply here. So this doesn't necessarily mean it's banned because people perceive it OP. Tbh we have far more overpowered at release messes than LoV by far in the past. Everytime it was waited until GW came up with a fix or they enforced house rules/limitations. Tournament don't even need to do that, if a Codex would be so OP that it was pointless to show up with anything else,vthen people will only show up with that army (or they don't really care about winning but rather participating anyway).

In my opinion people are blowing this out of proportion, and should wait until the Codex and units are at least released before they panic.

Danny76 wrote:
What is everyone’s thoughts on the alternate colour schemes in the book?
I quite like the red one, green is ok too.

I think with the bombardment of orange schemes from everyone, I kind of got saturated XD.

Its a really really difficult one and I have been this week looking for photos and colours schemes, to no luck.
The only colour combo I don't want is light blue since those are my space wolves.
I like the red too but dont dig red on vehicles.
Hopefully once the army is out and painters can get their hands on these we will se custom schemes.

At one point I thought of doing a renegade Votann force with most schemes from all other factions. That would look very colourful and inconsistent.
Not sure.

 GiToRaZor wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So has an entire army ever been banned from tournaments the week it released before? Or is this the first time?

This happened with Orks as well. The reason back then was simply, that since the book is locked in a limited boxed set, it isn't considered part of official circulation that is needed for tournaments. The same would apply here. So this doesn't necessarily mean it's banned because people perceive it OP. Tbh we have far more overpowered at release messes than LoV by far in the past. Everytime it was waited until GW came up with a fix or they enforced house rules/limitations. Tournament don't even need to do that, if a Codex would be so OP that it was pointless to show up with anything else,vthen people will only show up with that army (or they don't really care about winning but rather participating anyway).

In my opinion people are blowing this out of proportion, and should wait until the Codex and units are at least released before they panic.

a_typical_hero wrote:
LoV seem to be banned in parts of German tournaments:

Spoiler:

The above image was the source posted about the ban in 40k Gen. See anything that indicates that the ban being about a limited initial release, or anything like that?

Or is there a different reason quoted, one indicating they don't want to deal with a challenge...

 Dysartes wrote:
The above image was the source posted about the ban in 40k Gen. See anything that indicates that the ban being about a limited initial release, or anything like that?

the german tournament rules/guidelines that are more or less used everywhere state that no codex without current FAQ/Errata is allowed
so LoV are banned from German tournaments by default until they get their FAQ/Errata (which is usually 2 weeks after the regular release) that an additional reason is given on reddit, I guess they just wanted to make a point

 Dysartes wrote:

Or is there a different reason quoted, one indicating they don't want to deal with a challenge...

Well the challenge is buy votann or forget winning

You can of course just put votann armies to top-3 and ask them not to come as games would be foregone conclusion so boring games for everybody. Votann players get the titles they crave, others get at least to play.

I don't think Votann will have quite the curb-stomping ability everyone thinks they will. Sure, they look good, but they also have glaring weaknesses to exploit, even before a nerfing in a FAQ.

I'm waiting for tourneys 9 months from now when Votann will have something like 52% win rates and we can all look back at how OP we thought they'd be.

I suspect nine months from now people won't care about tournament performance in 9th ed because everyone is going to be too busy absorbing the 10th ed rules and figuring out what's hot in the new edition.

Personally, it will be interesting to see the timeline for the next wave of Squats with 10th ed taking up a chunk of next year. The starter box armies are bound to push other armies back to at least October, if not more if GW hasn't sorted out their logistics by then. That's going to take them close to the Christmas hiatus. You have to wonder if we won't even be able to make the joke for Squats that their codex is invalidated after a year because GW just can't fit one in until early '24.

Second waves can be a big thing these days. I think more so than in the distant past because regular established armies as so much bigger than they were.

I think AoS shows this up really well. Armies like Fyreslayers, Ossiarchs, Flesheaters etc... that have a solid functional core of models, but which have a very limited range both visually and tactically - tend to be far less popular.

Meanwhile armies that got a second wave like Lumineth prove to be far more popular in general. More models means more visual and tactical diversity and choice.


40K shows the same thing I think with Genestealer Cults. Now Cults did cheat because early on they basically piggy backed most of the Imperial Guard line of models ot augment their release. However that kind of just made them less popular visually I think because you had a huge divide between the professional military of the Guard (with a few cult icons on vehicles) and then the rag-tag mining uprisers of the Cult models.
Fastforward to today and the Cults have a full army and the IG component is much reduced. It works better as a rag-tag mining uprising force with mutations and more.


Again visually and tactically they are more diverse and popular for it.




Squats have a good chunk of models at launch and a decent amount of diversity on show.A second wave will help solidify their position long term. So when they get that will be very important for them

Well i got my model of the month (which i had to build in store) and a fun wee chap he is

I think i'll next a box of his chums for stargrave and similar

(interestingly he's got a faceplate rather than a me of iron dome, but clearly has robot feet as there's a definate rod between boot and the bottom of the void suit)

Got a favor here.
Can anyone who has the figures, give me the ground-to-eyeline height in MMs for
Votaan
and
Necromunda Squat Prospectors?

Doing an article on Squats and Space dwarves with lots of scale comparisons and though I don't have the figures, I feel it would complete the article to at least be able to provide measurements.

Thanks!!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well i got my model of the month (which i had to build in store) and a fun wee chap he is

I have seen mention of this, is it to stop sprues being sold on ebay?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well i got my model of the month (which i had to build in store) and a fun wee chap he is

I have seen mention of this, is it to stop sprues being sold on ebay?

I could see it also being used to generate more interest in stores as well. Plus there is the old adage that the longer you stay then the more likely you are to buy something/anything. That's just conjecture on my part though...

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well i got my model of the month (which i had to build in store) and a fun wee chap he is

I have seen mention of this, is it to stop sprues being sold on ebay?

How do you even enforce that? They give you the sprue, "Oh sorry, I just remembered I have somewhere to be!" as you put the sprue in your bag and walk out.

What are they going to do, physically prevent you from leaving until you assemble it or try and retrieve the model from your possession?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well i got my model of the month (which i had to build in store) and a fun wee chap he is

Had to build mine in store too. Wouldn't have normally got the mini of the month but wanted to see what the Hearthkyn were like for myself, quite like it.

Unfortunately it seems the sprue connection for the back piece was done in a way that meant i somehow accidentally cut off a small amount of his void suit using the sprue cutters though.

Still trying to find the height of these guys. Found this pic on Reddit.
If someone can tell me the base size of anything here, I can figure it from there:

More pics here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/xghlue/votann_size_comparisons/

Please Help!

Characters are on 40mm bases whilst infantry are on 28mm bases (except maybe the one on the far right of the picture maybe looks to be on a 32mm base for unknown reasons).

Brueckenkopf had an unboxing with scale prictres:
https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2022/unboxing-leagues-of-votann-army-set/

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well i got my model of the month (which i had to build in store) and a fun wee chap he is

I have seen mention of this, is it to stop sprues being sold on ebay?

How do you even enforce that? They give you the sprue, "Oh sorry, I just remembered I have somewhere to be!" as you put the sprue in your bag and walk out.

What are they going to do, physically prevent you from leaving until you assemble it or try and retrieve the model from your possession?

Most locations have hired extra staff on a temporary basis, it's a couple of people on the door and then one assigned to stick close to each customer and monitor them as they build. Prior to taking possession of the free mini, customers are required to sign a waiver stating they'll complete the build on site before trying to leave the premises and that GW have no liability for any injury caused in the event of physical injury should the customer attempt to break the terms of the agreement and physical action becomes necessary (all levels of which are authorised).

A few stores are just relying on general norms and assuming it will work out okay, luckily this is sufficient much of the time (upwards of 25%>

Does anyone know which bit in the Warriors kit is supposed to be the Medipak?
Or any of the Wargear really?
Nothing is labelled.

 dan2026 wrote:
Does anyone know which bit in the Warriors kit is supposed to be the Medipak?
Or any of the Wargear really?
Nothing is labelled.

Medic is the one with a back pack and a weird scroll thing on the hand... Comms the one with loads of antennas and the scanner is the weird one with a strange machine on the back pack.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does anyone know which bit in the Warriors kit is supposed to be the Medipak?
Or any of the Wargear really?
Nothing is labelled.

Medic is the one with a back pack and a weird scroll thing on the hand... Comms the one with loads of antennas and the scanner is the weird one with a strange machine on the back pack.

Thanks.Was this written down somewhere?

 dan2026 wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does anyone know which bit in the Warriors kit is supposed to be the Medipak?
Or any of the Wargear really?
Nothing is labelled.

Medic is the one with a back pack and a weird scroll thing on the hand... Comms the one with loads of antennas and the scanner is the weird one with a strange machine on the back pack.

Thanks.Was this written down somewhere?

I bet that will be on the individual regiment boxes back once they are released, but only found this info scattered on Facebook comments of people also asking the same thing.

Regards

Scanner and comms pics from FB I think the medic is number 12.

Does anybody know what the large backpack (c65) is for? I'm not talking about the medic-specific one. I can't work out who is supposed to have it?

I'd just like to add that I'm loving these models, they have rekindled my hobby love. I wasn't sure at first (and reading through this thread certainly didn't add any good vibes ), but after seeing the troops all assembled with helmets it was like a switch was tripped in my brain. Loving the Trans-Hyperion (sp?) colour scheme, I can see me actually finishing this army for a change!

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:Characters are on 40mm bases whilst infantry are on 28mm bases (except maybe the one on the far right of the picture maybe looks to be on a 32mm base for unknown reasons).

Thanks for that! I've run the numbers and fit a pretty good estimation that the Saturday Prospectors are are 25mm to the eye and the Votaan are 26mm

kodos wrote:Brueckenkopf had an unboxing with scale prictres:
https://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2022/unboxing-leagues-of-votann-army-set/

Thanks for that. This could have been just what I was looking for, but unfortunately it's barely better than any other shot setting figures next to each other.
Why in the fricassee would someone go to the trouble of setting up a base-compensated scale background and then not only place the figures in front of the graduations, but also take the picture from a raised angle, making accurate measurement impossible for the viewer!?! Aaaaargh!

I probably shouldn't be surprised though since the majority of players use "scale" shots simply to visually compare new and recent GW figs to each other. Actual size and mixing era or brand isn't really a factor for them.

for the free hearthkyn 24 or 25mm to the eye (well mid face plate as you cant see the eyes) then about 30 to the top of the backpack

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Does anybody know what the large backpack (c65) is for? I'm not talking about the medic-specific one. I can't work out who is supposed to have it?

If 12b is the medic, then c65 is the medic backpack.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
for the free hearthkyn 24 or 25mm to the eye (well mid face plate as you cant see the eyes) then about 30 to the top of the backpack

Thanks so much! Very much appreciated.

I am so baffled how literally nothing is labelled in the instructions.