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The Great Satan (East Coast)

I debated whether to append this to the Lucius scratchbuilt Warhound thread or start a new thread. There will be a side by side comparison of Lucie to the various components of an actual Forge World titan which should prove interesting and hopefully I will not be tearing out too much hair over grievous discrepancies.

I opted for the Chaos version because considering FW's propensity for less than perfect castings I figured this would be so much less noticeable on something that is supposed to be outrageously deformed.

That and I just think the Chaos version is the more interesting of the Mars Pattern.

I'll be posting images as soon as I get over the initial excitement.


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Below is the initial opening of the shipment carton with the top sheet of bubble wrap removed. I suppose FW tested the durability of the various pieces of brittle resin and arrived at the optimum packaging and shipping procedure that all components survive the ministrations of the erstwhile UPS package handlers.

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To the untrained eye the contents look like they were unceremoniously just dumped into the box.

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Unpacking the container revealed the only thing reasonably protected was the instructions and certificate of ownership.

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

The first order of business and to address something I am dying to know is how well did my best guesstimate of the size and shape of the weapons compare to a FW original?
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Well for the weapons at least...........

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I am very please that there is no significant descreapancy, whew!

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I see you're rather chipper that you got a Titan. I would be too, but only if it was an Eldar one.

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Looking forward to see how you go with this alongside your thunderhawk project

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Once again I have failed to be notified of a response; sorry for the delay in the reply.
I seem to be one of the fortunate few who has received a Warhound in relatively good condition unlike my poor amigo Jabba k Hutt of whom I believe has yet to remedy his errant toe issue; of course having ordered a Chaos Titan there is a lot of room for shipping error but who would notice.

My major cause for concern of how my Lucie stacks up against a FW original is at the hip gymbals which I had calculated to be 1.125 inches. Commercially available wood spheres are 1.0 inches and 1.250 jnches; the FW issue is about 1.067 inches depending on where you take the measurement so I can live with a <1.5 mm discrepancy (don't you love how I arbitrarily switch from Imperial to metric at a whim?)



Blinding them with footwork, EB

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Theres a bit of a shake up in the FW market where Hong Kong and Russia are offering reduced priced Warhound Titans on Ebay. I just purchased a Chaos titan with three weapons Plasma Cannon, Turbo Laser,(not Chaos but easily modified), and Megabolter for $399 bucks and free shipping and I see there is another of the same deal posted. Whats going on? Is GW fielding a Plastic Warhound in the near future and HK is dumping their Resin stock?

I just received mine in the mail today and its the real deal not a counterfeit knockoff; that I can determine when comparing it to the one I bought for my son last Christmas.

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An addenda to the last post, there is significant difference with my turbo laser compared to the FW original. It appears my laser's caliber is less than and (this really gets me) my infrared sight is longer?

Referring to the bottom view I had no image to go by so my detail is sparse compared to the real McCoy. But I think I can live with it.

More comparisons to follow even if they reveal further discrepancies.




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Meanwhile Lucie sustained a wee bit of battle damage and I can use this time to repair and upgrade her attached pieces to rare-earth magnets and remove the tape and Velcro adherents.

http://i.imgur.com/NGAIw.jpg
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The Great Satan (East Coast)

Since the image host I was using no longer supports my images I have to repost a lot of the lost work on this new host.

I took new pictures and am incorporating the renovation modifications to Lucie so as not to bore those that have seen the original posts

I am also including a side by side comparison with a FW original albeit a Chaos Mars Pattern bit the mechanical components are virtually the same.

http://i.imgur.com/6DG2V.jpg


First the head, the strange rings behind the head are the gymbal I made to allow the head to swivel back and forth and up and down a feature not included in the FW model but hey they included an interior!

Next a profile view of the neck mechanism and head with a relative size comparison:

http://i.imgur.com/zWG7g.jpg


Finally a closer view of the neck pieces, what the hey I took the picture why not post it:

http://i.imgur.com/EX6s4.jpg

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Wow, I'm totally not surprised, and yet am still continually impressed by your replication skills. I'm curious to see how all the little bits stack up. Big bits as well, like the carapace.

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Well here it is; the first documented proof of insanity in my family. Not only have I purchased a Chaos Warhound for my son last Christmas but I bid and won one for myself just recently and to compound the mania I bid on a Lucius Pattern Wolf Warhound from Russia and I won that one as well. Someone stop me before I can no longer afford to support the national debt.............

Now I'm gonna have to sell my kids for scientific experiments............

On the plus side I do have a comparison of my scratch work to a real bona fide Lucius Pattern Warhound............

On the minus side there are discrepancies.:(

http://i.imgur.com/otufW.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/N0FiK


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http://i.imgur.com/3RZZj.jpg

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Just noticed some Russian titans on ebay, but they're clearly illegal casts of the FW one, are you really supporting these people?

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The Great Satan (East Coast)

You know my position on forging and copyright violations and hell I don't even buy 'Luk' gasoline.

I looked the images over closely on ebay and other than the resin colour which FW used for some of their models (I have a FW Baneblade cast in Axson F16, resin that I'm sure isn't a forgery). I certainly didn't want a knockoff inferior casting.

If you look closely in the far right of the image there are what appears to be the conduits cast in black neoprene and the cooling compartment screen of the proper size and shape. as the original FW models used to come with; not cast resin as they do now.



On receiving the model my son and I inspected the pieces carefully for evidence of recasting but: all the pieces were there, were crisp edged, not warped, and fit perfectly together with no bubbles or missing detail (Hmmm that should have been a clue; FW models don't ever arrive like that.)

If its a copy its damned better than the average original.

I took it to be that someone bought it a while ago, saw it was beyond their modeling ability and wisely put it aside instead of botching it up and finally decided to liquidate it for financial reasons.

Now I see that theres another from the same seller using exactly the same image..............

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-Forge-World-LUCIUS-PATTERN-WARHOUND-TITAN-WOLF-PLASMA-TURBO-LASER-/251191546051?pt=Games_US&hash=item3a7c2ed0c3

which has aroused my suspicions.

Other than the weird colour (the actual model is a much more beige hue similar to the production Baneblade) What is it to you that indicates it is an illegal cast ?.


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I have to tell ya Jabba scared the crappé outta me with this counterfeit Warhound stuff so I put aside the Warlord neck shield for a pace and decided to check out the fit of the pieces of the carapace and hull of this Russian POS.

Well I have to tell you that with the flash and fill plugs removed and the corners trued a tad the whole hull and carapace fits together with at the most paper thin gaps and I could just 5 minute epoxy it together right now were I not going to paint and display the interior. Three gum bands are all thats holding it together for these pictures.

I think this is just an old model that was produced before the moulds wore out and distorted.

My fears allayed its back to the Warlord

BTW Jabba's PDF Warhound Building Guide is a good thing to consult when assembling this thing.

Thank you Jabba
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Even the fan cover fits pretty well

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Still a little rough sanding to do in the non mating areas

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Got a bit carried away with the belt sander


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That casting looks amazing!

I bought a warhound on eBay a while back right after I bought one from FW and Honestly the one I bought from ebay was a far superior casting. I'm still convinced it's a recast but if it is it must have been recast from one of the first 10 real ones and was done just as professinally or even better than FW.

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Ha, sorry. I was looking at the exact same seller on ebay. I even contacted them and asked if I could get a better price since they're so clearly knock-offs. They replied "what model are you looking for"? Two days later they have a posting for a Thunderhawk for sale... I'm inclined to buy it at 200 off retail, according to you the quality is such that I won't be disappointed. And you're welcome for any assistance I could ever provide, you flatter me too much.

EDIT; turns out it was a different seller from the RUSSIAN FEDERATION! That posted the T-Hawk, still waiting to hear back from the yellow resin people.

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Okay riddle me this, if they are knockoffs how can the quality be better than the FW originals and where do they get the black neoprene conduit which is exactly the same as the pieces you sent me and the proprietary cooling grid material exactly the right size as the FW grid?

'Sides I wouldn't have bought it had I know it was a ripoff as it wasn't all that much cheaper (I figured I saved about $100 buck plus 15% of the cost of the model shipping. (forgetting about the free shipping because of the Christmas Holiday.)) but I wanted that neoprene tubing which FW doesn't include with their current Warhound versions and I need it because I am up to my ears in Warhounds with resin conduits and I want movable heads.

Aaaannnnnddddd all the toes match! Ha! Put that in your smipe and poke it!

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I think I will lol. I guess-who knows where it comes from, my concern is quality. I have no idea where one would get that tubing elsewhere, that's compelling evidence I agree.

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Its time gentlemen for another helpful hint from Héloise AKA the Blackadder.

Today regarding a bit kitchen esoterica known as a 'melon baller'. This device serves the useless purpose of gouging out spheroid shaped lumps of melon thereby rendering half the consumable portion melon as waste and also eliminating the hazard of a diner cutting his mouth on a sharp edged piece of melon that has been cut into bite-sized but unsightly non-standardized cubes.



Let us now see if this rather superfluous device can be employed to a useful purpose.

As you know I am pathologically fixated on making the joints of my model movable (for whatever purpose but the fun is in stimulating my brain cells with these little problems).

I have searched the hardware stores for thin hollow steel spheres to incorporate into the articulated sockets of the various pieces of model joints.

While clearing out the kitchen drawer I found this little gadget that I don't believe I have ever seen used.

What ho sayeth I, the very thing I seek what's more they are readily available in dollar stores, Amazon and ebay all for a couple of buck each including shipping............ I found the yellow handled one for $1.25 plus shipping $1.63

Just the thing to partner the rare earth magnets installed in the opposite component of the socket.

http://i.imgur.com/PG5KD.jpg


BTW the brown smutchz in the cup is rust.......... Rust is good; it means the steel is magnetic.

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keep you eyes open and check wifey's equipment stash. She may have just what you are looking for............. Ahem..........

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Great idea, I'm curious to see how you use magnets in the ball ends, but this looks brilliant.

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You can use the magnet in either the socket or the ball but lets assume that the green cup is epoxied into the socket and the red ball has the black magnet installed by drilling a shallow hole in the ball and epoxying the magnet in the ball.



In this rough drawing the magnet is greatly exaggerated in size but as the ball is shifted in position with in the cup the magnet holds to the cup securely. regardless of the orientation.

Thats the theory........... whether it will work in practice remains to be seen.

In the other version the cup is epoxied to the ball and the recess is drilled in the socket but the principle is the same.

Hey its worth a shot..............

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How are you glueing the magnets since they aren't porous? That is a problem I've yet to find a solution for when dealing with large magnets and heavy loads.

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I like getting replies from you as they almost always pose a technical problem/question.

Just off the top of my head:

When I installed magnets in the Warlord head, the magnets I used were quite tiny btw 5/16 x 5/64 inch; I encapsulated the magnets in styrene.

If you take a piece of styrene tubing roughly the diameter of the inside of the tube that will accommodate the magnet.

Glue a thin (0.005 or 0.010 inch) piece of sheet styrene to the end of the tube place the magnet in the tube cut and fill the open end of the tube flush with the magnet and cap the end you have a magnet thoroughly encased in styrene.

The ultra thin styrene does not significantly diminish the magnetic field and provides a good gluing surface.

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That makes sense, I found that if you could encase the magnet it makes for the most stable use. And I'm finding that manufactures are putting magnets on so many things these days. My girlfriend finds it obnoxious that I always want magnets on stuff. Someone gave me a little girly notecard box as a joke for school, I put magnets on it and use it all the time now (the coolest use I've seen recently lightweight tent closures made with magnets. With thin styrene, you don't even need to glue the magnet at all, I love it. This is why I ask technical question, I'm always want to steal your ideas!

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The Resurrection of the Chaos Warhound:

I have become incredibly ambitious. After cleaning, priming and basic painting the Hierophant and waiting for the paint to dry I looked around for something else to work on. My son is coming home from college for ten days this month so I thought I'd surprise him by cleaning the flash, vents and manufacturing errors on our two Chaos Titans. We are at odds as to what theme to paint them I lean more to a mottled green and he to a red. I don't suppose that they have to match colour-wise. I would appreciate input in this regard.

Anyway it took me about two hours each to trim of the non-titan material and they are ready to paint. No pictures as yet as we have all seen kit form Chaos Titans and I have the parts seperated in zip lock sandwich bags. I am very enthused about tackling a Chaos interior since the Tyranid army has many similar aspects.
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Anyway this is the colour I have chosen for my Warhound

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Well I'm certainly a fan of the scheme (no surprises there really), I'm also a big believer in not needing matching schemes and feel if anything with a large enough chaos army multiple ones make the table look all the prettier. Really interested in seeing this progress, especially as it's you doing it, big fan of your work.


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Those colours do work nicely together, green but not an over the top kind.

   
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Thanks,

What bothers me most about all the Chaos Warhounds is the 'Cradle Cap' head ornamentation. I have yet to see one that I consider outstanding yet I have not in over a year come up with anything that I consider better.

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How Not to Build a Titan:

Here's a little quiz to see of you can qualify as an aircraft inspector.

Take a close look at the nicely painted titan above and see why it always looked strange to me I just couldn't put my finger on it; the problem being you expect things to be as they are supposed to be.

Closer inspection revealed six major mistakes in the build................

See if you can find them (Note left and right hand anomalies count as one; multiple anomalies of the same parts count as one.)

Note, the sixth one is toughest to find

Hint will come after the first auto append canceler.....

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I'll have to look closer later, the one thing I see is the sacred octade is so varied in sizes o the arrows and the halfway marks between the arrows. Could you also be referring to the width of the trim bits on the armor plating? The right and left arm armor plating have different angles to them close to the upper arm joins.

Also one auto append down.

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