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Can people give some info on good wyvern lord loadouts? Perhaps some that you have tried out succesfully? Or read about


Thanks in forehand!

//Gar'Ang

The one problem is no way to protect the wyvren but I used to like Black Orc with tali pres, Stubborn Crown and dragon helm

How did that work out for you? I got a suggestion from another thread to combine armour of fortune with dawnstone

Orc Warboss, Wyvern, Armour of Destiny Choppa of Striking and shield. 343pts

Armour of Destiny negates the main benefit here of having a black orc, as Armour of Destiny is heavy armour. Choppa of striking (magic weapons still get choppa) will yield S6 attacks probably hitting on 2+.
I wouldnt go character hunting with this orc though.

Black orc characters are woefully overpriced, the only black orc character I would buy is a BSB to help protect it because armed to ther teef still applies, he can take a shield for the hard fights, ride a pig and still remain in an infantry block and Quell Animosity is worthwhile for your main block of orcs as you will need control over your anvil.

Digressing here but, no black orc warboss, not worth it.

Stubborn sounds good, but with a lord on monster you should be picking fights to win them, preferably alongside a unit you are hoping to win with. Gone are ther days of monsters working alone, besides improved Inspiring Presence is the top reason to take a wyvern. The Ld9 bubble is greatly extended and he difference shows.

I like my wyvern, not really competetive, but Warhammer loses too much if the big monster is left on the shelf.

The reason I like black orcs with stubborn crown is that it is a insurance policy. I can not tell you how many times I have left home without stubborn and then really needed it (due to the fact you charge a unit, they challenge you with a champ, you deal two wounds and they beat you and run you down)

Also the reason for a black orc is ITP

Black Orc Warbosses can be alright, but as said they're hilariously costly for +1WS, Armed to Da Teef, and Quell Animosity. For a character on a Wyvern, definitely go regular Orc (since you lose only one point of WS, and an Orc Warboss on a Wyvern shouldn't be bouncing around hunting WS6+ units in the first place since they'll probably shred the Wyvern underneath him).

Statistically, if fighting WS5 or less, you hit more with +2 Attacks than +1 to Hit. Practically, Sword of Striking is much more reliable as it's much more likely you'll get a bad roll of 1's and 2's to hit than a bad roll of 1's to hit. It's also a great deal cheaper (25 less points than the +2 attack weapon, and 45 less than the +3 attack weapon), leaving room for extra gear if itching for durability, offense, or so on (Potion of Foolhardiness for +1 attack one round, Potion of Speed for an I7 Warboss one round, or so on).

Johnny-Crass wrote:The reason I like black orcs with stubborn crown is that it is a insurance policy. I can not tell you how many times I have left home without stubborn and then really needed it (due to the fact you charge a unit, they challenge you with a champ, you deal two wounds and they beat you and run you down)

Also the reason for a black orc is ITP

A wyvern should not be fighting alone, not in 8th, not with steadfast. You know a single rank gets steadfast over a character as it has more ranks 1 vs 0.
If a challenge is issued the chapion of the regiment of orcs you are fighting besides accepts and your general gets to do what he is there to do add onto a small corner of a larger unit vs unit battle with 7 high quality attacks plus thunderstomp.


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Minsc wrote:Black Orc Warbosses can be alright, but as said they're hilariously costly for +1WS, Armed to Da Teef, and Quell Animosity. For a character on a Wyvern, definitely go regular Orc (since you lose only one point of WS, and an Orc Warboss on a Wyvern shouldn't be bouncing around hunting WS6+ units in the first place since they'll probably shred the Wyvern underneath him).

QFT. Black orc characters are stupidly priced.

Minsc wrote:
Statistically, if fighting WS5 or less, you hit more with +2 Attacks than +1 to Hit. Practically, Sword of Striking is much more reliable as it's much more likely you'll get a bad roll of 1's and 2's to hit than a bad roll of 1's to hit. It's also a great deal cheaper (25 less points than the +2 attack weapon, and 45 less than the +3 attack weapon), leaving room for extra gear if itching for durability, offense, or so on (Potion of Foolhardiness for +1 attack one round, Potion of Speed for an I7 Warboss one round, or so on).

Leaving the wyvern out of it for now. I would prefer two choppas to any of the +attack weapons. However being on a wyvern changes things its all about bveing there to pile on concentration of force, something orcs being big and clumsy are relatively poor at. Also being a mobile heavy hitter a magic weapon is mandatory as you may be called up on to rescue da ladz from ethereal creatures. The effective shortlist is small.

Battleaxe of the last Waargh is difficult to ignore because of the bonus you get if you roll a 3+ on the axes power test. However at 100pts it leaves no room for defences.

Choppa of Swift Slaying. First notable choice. Grants ASF for 25pts, this is normally a no brainer for most army generals but being only I4 you wont be rerolling to hit - the biggest benefit of this weapon. Still ASF will enable you to chop before the guys in B2B with you and that can be important. However Potion of Speed now becomes a 'reroll misses' item.

Berserker Choppa. Here is your +1 attack with a magic weapon, for 20pts, Ld9 should keep the general where you want him and you also get the immune to Psychology you would not get for not being a black orc.

Gold Sigil Choppa. Effective ASF on the cheap, for 15pts but with no option no reroll misses. Can also help with inititive based tests from some spells as a fringe benefit.

Choppa of Striking My top recommendation.

Warrior Bane Good for monster hunting as unlike other Warrior Bane wielders you get S6 not an average S4 to hit a monster with and rob it of its attacks.

Wherever possible I use the word Choppa to define the weapon as a reminder. Do not forget you still get +1S on the first round of combat with magic weapons as orcs, your opponent is not obliged to remind you, and has more excuse than you to forget.

I love Wyverns simply because at this point they are really cost-effective. They are 40/50 points cheaper than a Griffon or Manticore or Carnisaur, which I think they're as good as or better. I suspect that as other books roll out, the mounts will all be shifted a bit in price and/or abilities. But for now, Wyverns are really cheap.

If you do nothing except have the leadership increase and use it for only the most opportunistic fighting, I think it's worth the points. Especially with suck-LD greenskins.

Because it's a large target and can't join anyone, I say war machine protection is the only absolute in the form of some kind of ward.

DukeRustfield wrote:I love Wyverns simply because at this point they are really cost-effective. They are 40/50 points cheaper than a Griffon or Manticore or Carnisaur, which I think they're as good as or better. I suspect that as other books roll out, the mounts will all be shifted a bit in price and/or abilities. But for now, Wyverns are really cheap.

If you do nothing except have the leadership increase and use it for only the most opportunistic fighting, I think it's worth the points. Especially with suck-LD greenskins.

Because it's a large target and can't join anyone, I say war machine protection is the only absolute in the form of some kind of ward.

Because 8th works on TLOS, an idiot idea frankly, and the wyvern model is low to the ground, discounting its wings as the rules say then you can hide it behind mundane stuff easily enough. New boar boyz are tall enough to screen, as are trolls.
The Azhag wyvern is a different beast.

Thanks for all the replys guys. I will tinker around with the things you mentioned Orianth I might post a battlerep if I get around and tries it

The Black Orc War Boss is only, what...45 pts more then the Orc War Boss? The +1 WS isn't that big of a deal. What IS a big deal is that Immune to Psychology that is worth the cost. You don't want your WB flying around kicking ass only to be deterred to some BS panic tests. Yes he's Ld 9 and keeps that with the crown of command, but in the long run that 45 pts is an insurance policy in this aspect.

Spend the 45 pts to keep your War boss in the fight that much longer or spend it on what? An extra troll? Several more Goblins or few more Orc Big'Uns? meh.

Thank you SCWC. People do not think panic is that scary until it happens to their big gribbly thing that runs away

SoCxWarChief wrote:The Black Orc War Boss is only, what...45 pts more then the Orc War Boss? The +1 WS isn't that big of a deal. What IS a big deal is that Immune to Psychology that is worth the cost. You don't want your WB flying around kicking ass only to be deterred to some BS panic tests. Yes he's Ld 9 and keeps that with the crown of command, but in the long run that 45 pts is an insurance policy in this aspect.

Spend the 45 pts to keep your War boss in the fight that much longer or spend it on what? An extra troll? Several more Goblins or few more Orc Big'Uns? meh.

A banner of discipline & eternal flame, having a weapon / armor / something on the Warboss, an additional War Machine...

Hm, question: Is ItP still immune to Banshee Screams? As if so, THAT I could see as an excuse to take the BO instead of a regular one.

If you're going to kit out a BO, you're going to lose a little points. In the grand scheme of a 2K army it's literally a couple %. And that depends on how much you weight those abilities.

But like I said, I love Wyverns cuz they are cheap. It's not like you're making a total army committment by plopping him down on a 400pt monster.

Put another way, a Wyvern has almost identical stats as an Ogre Bruiser, except can fly, poison, +2 save, terror. For about 50pts more. And if you had to buy all that stuff ^ they'd probably cost nearly the same. He's a good deal. No, it's not going to decimate whole armies. But it's also not going to make you cry in your waaagh-juice if it dies.

DukeRustfield wrote:If you're going to kit out a BO, you're going to lose a little points. In the grand scheme of a 2K army it's literally a couple %. And that depends on how much you weight those abilities.

But like I said, I love Wyverns cuz they are cheap. It's not like you're making a total army committment by plopping him down on a 400pt monster.

Put another way, a Wyvern has almost identical stats as an Ogre Bruiser, except can fly, poison, +2 save, terror. For about 50pts more. And if you had to buy all that stuff ^ they'd probably cost nearly the same. He's a good deal. No, it's not going to decimate whole armies. But it's also not going to make you cry in your waaagh-juice if it dies.

Yep. Doesn't hurt that, if you go Cheapo-Warboss, you can have it for your General in a 1250pt game with about 35 points of Wargear. Having a big flying gribbly in a 1250 point game is always impressive / good for psychological warfare against the other player, and gives your army some interesting mobility potential (buy a Hero with the Flying Carpet and most of your characters can fly, add in the Hand of Gork spell and Cavalry units and your army can run rings around anyone who isn't Wood Elves).

Doesn't the wyvern offer +1 to armor save and not +2? From what I see with the Orcs, the only beast we ride that offers +2 to AS is the War Boar.

The wyvern itself is 4+ scaly skin. I was just comparing it to a Bruiser in heavy armor.

Wyvern provides only +1 to Armor Save, but L.Armor and Shield boosts that to a 4+ (and for about 2pts more you can just take the Enchanted Shield for a 3+). Mind, a Ward Save is typically the top pick since most shooting dedicated toward a Wyvern is no-Save Multiwound and you wouldn't like your character catching a Bolt Thrower shot to the gut.

Actually, for my Blorc on Wyvern I have Tali of Preservation for a 4+ Ward Save. Using his normal Heavy Armor gives him 5+. I gave him the enchanted shield for 3+ and the Dragonhelm for 2+. Being on the Wyvern makes him a 1+ Armor Save. I still have to roll on 2's but when taking my opponents Strength into account, I use the 1+. So a S4 hitting me only means I need a 2+ save. S5 hitting me means I need a 3+ save. Also gave him the Crown of Command. So 45pts, + 35pts, + 5pts, + 10 pts = 95pts out of 100pts.

Mainly went with the Blorc because that Immune to Psychology is an insurance policy that I have seen pay off before.

SoCxWarChief wrote:Actually, for my Blorc on Wyvern I have Tali of Preservation for a 4+ Ward Save. Using his normal Heavy Armor gives him 5+. I gave him the enchanted shield for 3+ and the Dragonhelm for 2+

You can't take both of those at once, they're both magical armor.

SoCxWarChief wrote:Also gave him the Crown of Command.

This can be useful, but I'm iffy about it unless you're going for a Cheapo Warboss for stalling role (in which case T5 4+ save becomes a liability).

Minsc wrote:

SoCxWarChief wrote:Actually, for my Blorc on Wyvern I have Tali of Preservation for a 4+ Ward Save. Using his normal Heavy Armor gives him 5+. I gave him the enchanted shield for 3+ and the Dragonhelm for 2+

You can't take both of those at once, they're both magical armor.

SoCxWarChief wrote:Also gave him the Crown of Command.

This can be useful, but I'm iffy about it unless you're going for a Cheapo Warboss for stalling role (in which case T5 4+ save becomes a liability).

Are you sure? One acts as a shield, the other acts as a helm. So where is the overlap?


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Yeah I just checked the rules again and it's perfectly legal. However you can't take a magical piece of armor and shield and still use any of your mundane ones. For example if you have a magic shield, you can't use your mundane ( normal) shield that would let you ( if you have a hand weapon) get a parry save.

But yeah, you can have a Dragonhelm and Enchanted Shield on your same character.

No you can not. You can have one piece of magic armor period. It does not matter the type of the armor

Johnny-Crass wrote:No you can not. You can have one piece of magic armor period. It does not matter the type of the armor

And what rule says that?

SoCxWarChief wrote:

Johnny-Crass wrote:No you can not. You can have one piece of magic armor period. It does not matter the type of the armor

And what rule says that?

BALANCE OF POWER, pg.500

Usually, only characters can carry magic items. Each model can only carry one of each type of magic item. Magic items are divided into six categories: Magic Weapons, Magic Armour, Talismans, Enchanted Items, Arcane Items, and Magic Standards. Each category covers a particular kind of item and 'family' of effects - Magic Weapons give bonuses to a model's fighting skill, for example, whilst Talismans provide protection. A model can only ever choose one item from each category.
...
The only exceptions to this rule are some special characters, who might well have two magical weapons, for example.

Thank you.