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Looks like the 400k € unlock is the ALEPH mini, Trisha N33? We'll see tomorrow when CB updates. I'm sure that funding goal will be reached by then.

Interesting. The collectors pledge is what interests me, since I have no need or want for the scenery pack, but the deluxe pledge is certainly drawing all the backers.

Well, I'm going to wait and pledge next month. Most likely the collectors pledge at ~USD $178, and it looks like ~USD $34 for shipping, so ~USD $212 for 35.5* minis (~ USD $6/mini...not bad at all) and the game, of course.

*So far. Extra Uma body is the 0.5 mini. I included the ALEPH mini too, even though it is as yet locked.

 Red_Five wrote:
The trick with that is remembering that you were going to pledge before the 20 days are up (something I often forget).

If you click on the heart button Kickstarter will email you a reminder a couple of days before the project ends.

 Soul Samurai wrote:

 Red_Five wrote:
The trick with that is remembering that you were going to pledge before the 20 days are up (something I often forget).

If you click on the heart button Kickstarter will email you a reminder a couple of days before the project ends.

Exactly!

The harder way is to pledge and then try to remember to review/cancel before it ends!

Though I think you can 'double dip' and both pledge AND set the reminder?

Anyway, I'm still on the fence here...lots of less then exciting add-ons and fake stretchies too.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Soul Samurai wrote:

 Red_Five wrote:
The trick with that is remembering that you were going to pledge before the 20 days are up (something I often forget).

If you click on the heart button Kickstarter will email you a reminder a couple of days before the project ends.

Though I think you can 'double dip' and both pledge AND set the reminder?

Yes you can. I do this quite frequently.

Well the add on options have increased, which is good, and there are some very interesting options on there.

However, in order to buy the add ons CB require you to buy a core pledge, which is disappointing.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Well the add on options have increased, which is good, and there are some very interesting options on there.

However, in order to buy the add ons CB require you to buy a core pledge, which is disappointing.

Well, they don't really want for people to jump on 'cheap infinity expansions', when they can at least profit from core since you are forced to add it...but at that point, why not add 60€ more for bunch of more models of 160€ pledge? Seems no brainer...but then there is 250€ pledge with more 'free' stuff.
Not a bad strategy tbh...

The frustrating part is that these "reinforcement packs" would have been perfect things to have for Infinity proper long before now...why is it that we needed a third game to get them?

Has anyone posted the December releases here yet?

(Getting things back to Infinity...)

Not yet I think, do remember team Sirius is the general release of the August special pack.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The frustrating part is that these "reinforcement packs" would have been perfect things to have for Infinity proper long before now...why is it that we needed a third game to get them?

Profits
Bigger margins on KS than retail, and you have to invest at least additional 100€ more for base game.

Well outside of KS they would be theoretically costed at twice the cost or more.

 smurfORnot wrote:
Bigger margins on KS than retail

Hmm, how does that work? They have to pay kickstarter fees, so I'm wondering where's the savings over just selling something directly through their webstore?

That’s a good point, but their profits via KS are much greater then selling via traditional distribution/retail.

Fwiu, if they sell add ons after the KS has finished they owe KS nothing. Maybe they'll open it up to non core game backers once its finished.

 .Mikes. wrote:
Fwiu, if they sell add ons after the KS has finished they owe KS nothing. Maybe they'll open it up to non core game backers once its finished.

You still pay to platform you use, it might not be ks, but it's not like you don't pay fee to other platforms for pledge manager.

Unless they use their own store, in a separate section?

Sure, there’s some costs associated with that too, but probably the least amount of all options.

 Alpharius wrote:
That’s a good point, but their profits via KS are much greater then selling via traditional distribution/retail.

Yes, KS takes a cut. But its almost certainly less than what an investor will take if you get funding the old fashioned way.

Plus as CB is an already established company, they aren't relying on the KS pledge money to get production started. They already have money to do that, so its overall much smoother. This is probably why KS is now being used by a lot of established companies and not just desperate start-ups trying to crowdfund like it was originally meant for.

KS is an interest free loan - I’m surprised more ‘established’ companies aren’t taking advantage of it and their customers.

I mean, more then they usually do, of course!

It's also low cost market research as you can easily tell is something is worth producing based off of backer numbers. Why make something that might not sell? It also gives you an idea of how many to produce if you're not doing an exclusive. It's incredibly smart to put something on KSer and not take a financial risk.

Are there some kind of News and Rumors about KS business model that pertains to Infinity I'm not aware of.....?

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Are there some kind of News and Rumors about KS business model that pertains to Infinity I'm not aware of.....?

Well, Corvus Belli is running a Kickstarter right now for the Infinity-related board game Defiance, and offering specific boxes of miniatures for a decent discount (but you have to get the Defiance box to get them), and people are trying to figure out the logistics of it and what about the Kickstarter makes it possible...

Another thing is that KS is risk free for both sides. If you don't meet the goals, the backers don't lose money and the company doesn't have to produce anything that nobody will buy. And if you do meet the goals, you have guaranteed customers.

I'll put money into this when I see potential for custom-ish characters. So far, Spector is the only character I am excited for.

Is all a matter of taste. Katherine Cho and Trisha N33 are more interesting to me since they expand the background.

I'm also very interested in the mechanics, especially if they expand it to a skirmish system.

Speaking of which, any more info about N4 leaking somewhere?

I know they're focused on Defiance super hard, however that's a bit of bad timing since they also announced N4 without giving any info at all about the changes.

I'm more interested in N4 than Defiance, so far as to say that the N4 changes are a big determinant of me getting Defiance.

I'm not too impressed with CB storytelling and scenario design, which is basically all of Defiance, I hope to be surprised, but that leaves N4 compatibility as a main draw after Defiance stops getting played on board game nights.

 Vertrucio wrote:

I'm not too impressed with CB storytelling and scenario design, which is basically all of Defiance, I hope to be surprised, but that leaves N4 compatibility as a main draw after Defiance stops getting played on board game nights.

There's approximately zero chance of N4 using the Defiance game mechanics.

If you mean "Will these figures, which they're already currently a big deal about being able to use Infinity, be able to be used in N4?", that's approximately a 100% chance. You can draw your own bets concerning the Code One profiles that'll be chosen.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The frustrating part is that these "reinforcement packs" would have been perfect things to have for Infinity proper long before now...why is it that we needed a third game to get them?

It's slightly annoying that they all contain models taken from different box sets. If I buy the Onyx pack for example, I can't get the other Xeodron without doubleing up on the one that's in the reinforcement pack.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Another thing is that KS is risk free for both sides. If you don't meet the goals, the backers don't lose money and the company doesn't have to produce anything that nobody will buy. And if you do meet the goals, you have guaranteed customers.

If you do meet your target and then cock it up afterwards, though, it's absolutely not risk-free for the backers.

 Vertrucio wrote:
Speaking of which, any more info about N4 leaking somewhere?

Apparently MSV lvl 3 is going back to what it was in N2, where Discovering was automatic.


...no, wait, that was just a dream :(

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
Speaking of which, any more info about N4 leaking somewhere?

Apparently MSV lvl 3 is going back to what it was in N2, where Discovering was automatic.

You mean back to N2, when MSV3 didn't have to declare Discover and could just shoot blindly into camo markers? And you just occasionally hit the situation where you attacked a camo marker with something that didn't apply to it, or shot a mine behind cover, so the camo marker just sat there and giggled.

The roll automatically succeeds in N3. Which means that you still have to declare it, but at least you don't end up with "Oh, hey, you missed" situations when you were just trying to let everyone else shoot it.

I never saw that situation in N2, or anyone complaining about it before. Or anyone getting motivated enough to respond in indignation to a clearly satirical post. No, wait, not the last one.