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I'll keep this short.
I'lm looking to do a DIY Pre-Heresy chapter.
What I really want is to show the chapter after the Heresy,but still have a Pre-Heresy flavour to it.
So;what type(s) of armour could I reasonably have?
I don't really want to do the whole chapter with RT armor.
Any types of tanks,speeders etc. atht are a no-no because of the time frame?
Remember I want this AFTER the Heresy,but not so much that the marines from pre times would all be dead.
Sorry if this sounds stupid,I'm quite serious. I'm just not a fluff nazi enough to know all the ins and outs.
Any help,ideas greatfully accepted.
Geb
Oh yea,loyalists ,and what chapters could i do? My own? No?

dunno if this will really help you but this is an article on the US GW website about pre-heresy marine chapters and what not.



http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/spacemarines/painting/pre_heresy/default.htm

"IRON HANDS by Devin Mackenzie"

That dreadnaught is SWEET! I think he should have used the hooked claws on both arms though or the flat claws on both arms. Either way, a very stealable idea.

It depends on how far after the heresy you are going:

If just a few hundred years has passed you may want to consider the Chaos Codex, using only the MOCU and avoiding anything daemonic (especially the defiler).

If it's been longer (lost in the warp, etc), you might want to consider the Black Templar codex

Armour:

Mk I and II is outdated by this point. Mk II would be the standard armour if the army is poorly supplied.

Mk III would conceivably be used on assault units, but is mainly a pseudo-terminator tunnel-fighting/enclosed spaces variant of Mk II; so don't use too many.

Mk IV: Relatively common in a immediate-post-heresy army. This was the standard suit worn by the better-equipped space marines (Imperial Fists and many of the renegade legions) at the start of the heresy; though bear in mind distant or poorly equipped legions (like Raven Guard) would still have been using Mk II as standard.

Mk V: Again, relatively common. Less so than IV; it was introduced as a stop-gap, had many technical faults (not least the exposed cabling on the chest) and was notoriously difficult to repair/maintain. The Worldeaters had lots of these (presumably they didn't mind!). Leaps and bounds ahead of Mk II and variants.

Mk VI: This would be very common ? it was just being introduced as the Heresy erupted, and the second founding chapters/surviving loyalist legions would have been supplied with these as Mk IV was phased out.

Mk VII: Rare; some specialised units (command squads, veterans etc). If you want a distinctive look to your army, try no to use it at all. This is the single most identifiable 'thing' of a marine army, so you're going to have to camouflage it if you want an immediately identifiable immediate-post-heresy force.

Mk VIII: Not yet developed.

There was less standardisation in marine equipment at this point, so variants on the suits (which were modular ? Mk VI helm is compatible with anything Mk IV+, for example) would be relatively more common.

Terminators are relatively common: the technology to build them is still around. The 'modern' versions (Mk IV Terminators?) that we think of as terminators are presumably developed (the Mk V helmet was a spin-off from the terminator design); but if you want to play it safe, use the ones depicted in the Horus Heresy art books.

Tanks:

Razorback is a no-no.

Predators can only have autocannon turrets.

No Land Raider variants (you ought to check out the Forgeworld pre-heresy raider, too)

Land speeders are pretty common.

Whirlwind is okay.

Drop-pods are iffy...

Dreadnoughts definitely around: and still suits of armour rather than sarcophaguses.

 

Guns:

All sorts of weird combinations available:

Autocannons common (count as heavy bolters)

Conversion beamers available (but rare ? count as plasma cannons)

Since terminator armour is still in its infanct, their weapons are still catching up. Assault cannon is not available yet; nor is the cyclone missile launcher. Thunder hammers are still power maces; and Storm shields as we know them are iffy.

(You can make RT-era boltguns pretty easily by swapping the magazine section and the handgrip over on one of the new boltguns.)

 

Other stuff:

Arguably, Librarians would still be verboten...

Chaplains exist...

Jumppacks are around...

Scouts could be a mix of new recruits and specialised marines as the Codex changes came into effect...

As to the chapters that existed immediately post-heresy; check this entry on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Founding

That's the official list, but you could easily make your own by using one of the unnamed Ultramarine successors.

 

Hope that helps!

I agree with everyting Cpl_Saint says, except the Predators. CSM's have the Lascannon option,presumably it was only after the Space Puppies usd it Post-Heresy it became a part of the Codex Astartes. Also, Mk's 6&7 would have been distributed quickly, so that good SM's had an advantage over their naughty brothers, but that's just personal speculation.

I believe that Drop Pods would be okay for this time period.  After all, weren't drop pods (or at least some form of them - Dread Claws maybe) used by the Traitor forces in the invasion of Terra?

Posted By jlmb_123 on 03/06/2006 7:12 PM
I agree with everyting Cpl_Saint says, except the Predators. CSM's have the Lascannon option,presumably it was only after the Space Puppies usd it Post-Heresy it became a part of the Codex Astartes. Also, Mk's 6&7 would have been distributed quickly, so that good SM's had an advantage over their naughty brothers, but that's just personal speculation.

Chaos isn't constrained to Pre-Heresy equipment.  They can have technical advancements as well.  And I'm sure they've captured a Predator or two with Lascannons in the last 10,000 years to copy the design from, if their incapable of developing it on their own.

Hmm, I was under the impression that Whirlwinds didn't appear until quite a bit after the heresy (I could be wrong on this, but I haven't been able to find any sources that state one way or the other). Same problem with Land Speeders.

Land speeders were definitely available. They had jet bikes back then too. Anti-grav aplenty...

Remember, the Space Beatches were using their designs for qutie some time before it was offically approved. Safe to assume other chapters did too.

Pods seem viable since the Traitors have them.

Same problem with Land Speeders.

Landspeeders were around, but like jump packs, difficult to maintain. That's why Traitor Legion don't have either (only Raptor Cults have jump packs, maintained deamonically?)

Assualt cannons are available as they were used as heavey weapons by space wolves but not on terminators sqauds. or you could just give them lasguns for the scouts as that what some had, although they were called recon squads, or better still arm them however you want, its your universe and your army, do whatever you want. it does not have to be accurate.