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Yes I think Morgan moved on in the timeline right after the battle with Negan.

That was some time jump in the last episode! Judith is dead cute in the hat

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Uggh, thought that last episode was a lot of filler.
I get they are trying to catch up on what X and Y and Z are doing but they need to move the Whisperer plot along faster.

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Dunno. I feel it served to show divisions among the communities, without us having to plod through tedious plot constructs.

Instead, I find myself more intrigued by the aftermath. Everyone is more or less still chummy enough, but not friends. Why? How did things get to this stage? Was Rick really the lynchpin?

I get why some could consider it filler, and fair enough. But I feel it served a very specific purpose.

The slow burn of the Whisperers is likely to ignite in the next episode or two as we hit the mid-season break.

   
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How many episodes more till that?

 
   
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This Sunday is the winter finale here in the US.

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Ah cool. Wasn't sure if it was one or two before mid-season.

I expect we'll see more of The Whisperers in that episode.

   
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Hmm ... watched the MS finale yesterday ... felt kind of let down? Maybe because I haven't read the comics and don't get stuff?

Plus: Holy plot holes!
Spoiler:
TWO excellent chokepoints, so lets just fething ignore them and run away? Oh, wait, we can't run, because /Eugene...? Really?


Actually, they might not be "plot holes" ... but I'm sure someone will be along soon to correct me

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It's weird seeing the character shuffles they have to do now. I guess that kid whose name I can't remember and no one really cares about is now going to fill in for Carl storyline-wise. Michonne is now Rick except she's like an anti-Rick. Instead of keeping everyone together she's pushing them apart. Maggie has inadvertently become Michonne because Lauren Cohen has left the show. Was surprised to hear that on Talking Dead ( Michonne goes AWOL for a bit in the comic).

It's like a weird Elseworlds version of the comic. What would have happened if Rick died? Apparently everyone just splinters apart. Can't say I like that. Also, don't like how Michonne is apparently one of the driving reasons why.

 
   
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 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
It's weird seeing the character shuffles they have to do now. I guess that kid whose name I can't remember and no one really cares about is now going to fill in for Carl storyline-wise. Michonne is now Rick except she's like an anti-Rick. Instead of keeping everyone together she's pushing them apart. Maggie has inadvertently become Michonne because Lauren Cohen has left the show. Was surprised to hear that on Talking Dead ( Michonne goes AWOL for a bit in the comic).

It's like a weird Elseworlds version of the comic. What would have happened if Rick died? Apparently everyone just splinters apart. Can't say I like that. Also, don't like how Michonne is apparently one of the driving reasons why.


Yeah, I'm with you on most of this. The only thing is that TV Rick was already kind of an Elseworlds version of comic Rick. "What would happen if Rick wasn't a steady, strong leader but instead a guy whose behavior veered wildly from Psycho Boy to Mr. Softee?"

I'm somewhat interested to see where they take Negan from here. I liked that this showrunner didn't make Rick and Negan's final All Out War confrontation exactly like the books. She correctly realized that it wouldn't make sense -- show Negan was kind of a lumbering dolt, and not a guy capable of seeing another way to handle things. Of course, the gun thing was...unfortunate. But anyway, with Sanctuary in a different state, Dwight apparently out of the picture, etc. I'm guessing there will be no redemption for show Negan, who was a less redeemable guy than comic Negan anyway. They can't be intending to have him lead Sanctuary again, but this time as a good guy, right?

Anyone know if the actor of the character who bit it wanted out? Because I don't really get that decision from a storytelling standpoint. Although I'm not sure where they were going with the character had he lived. He's right...he's not a leader. He's a great supporting character. It's like they tried to elevate him for a couple eps to make the death seem more dramatic.


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Regarding the character who died...the actor was disgruntled that they effectively wasted the character by not making use of the material in the comics to make him into the badass character he was supposed to be. He never got any time to shine, like duelling with Negan etc. So he was actively pushing to kill his character off because he felt pointless.
   
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 gorgon wrote:
 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
It's weird seeing the character shuffles they have to do now. I guess that kid whose name I can't remember and no one really cares about is now going to fill in for Carl storyline-wise. Michonne is now Rick except she's like an anti-Rick. Instead of keeping everyone together she's pushing them apart. Maggie has inadvertently become Michonne because Lauren Cohen has left the show. Was surprised to hear that on Talking Dead ( Michonne goes AWOL for a bit in the comic).

It's like a weird Elseworlds version of the comic. What would have happened if Rick died? Apparently everyone just splinters apart. Can't say I like that. Also, don't like how Michonne is apparently one of the driving reasons why.


Yeah, I'm with you on most of this. The only thing is that TV Rick was already kind of an Elseworlds version of comic Rick. "What would happen if Rick wasn't a steady, strong leader but instead a guy whose behavior veered wildly from Psycho Boy to Mr. Softee?"

I'm somewhat interested to see where they take Negan from here. I liked that this showrunner didn't make Rick and Negan's final All Out War confrontation exactly like the books. She correctly realized that it wouldn't make sense -- show Negan was kind of a lumbering dolt, and not a guy capable of seeing another way to handle things. Of course, the gun thing was...unfortunate. But anyway, with Sanctuary in a different state, Dwight apparently out of the picture, etc. I'm guessing there will be no redemption for show Negan, who was a less redeemable guy than comic Negan anyway. They can't be intending to have him lead Sanctuary again, but this time as a good guy, right?



Totally agree with you about Rick but it’s always been like the characters on the show read the comic and confuse Comic Rick with TV Rick.

I will miss the strange relationship that Rick will develop with Negan but because this Negan is also an Elseworlds version of Negan it’s probably for the best that they’re going this way anyway.

Seriously though I wonder if viewers will continue to stick with the show. In the comic Alexandria, Hilltop, Kingdom and Oceanside basically are a fledgling nation. Hope can be an important plot point especially when you put the characters through the ringer like TWD does. There’s just no hope or respite ever in the show and I think it can be exhausting for some of the viewers.

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Well that was a really piss poor opener.
How long has this show been sliding now?
Im genuinely not sure why I bother anymore
Morbid fascination maybe.....

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I think the scenes with Lydia would have been a lot better with Carl but I guess they’re must have been some issues with Chandler Riggs. The absence of Maggie and Jesus is very noticeable as well. Like Terra’s in charge? Also, the reveal of The Whisperers was quite lame compared to the comic. They had territory and so were like a nation, a weird ass nation, but a nation nonetheless. So when they killed a bunch of people in the commuties and then said they want to be left alone it set up a difficult decision for everyone. Do we retaliate and have another war or just respect the now established border? Right now the whisperers are just some bogeymen. Another example of the show thinking it can out-write the comic but making it less compelling.

 
   
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Quite enjoying the new episodes.

I don’t agree Carl would’ve been better, because he was too developed and set as a character. With Henry, we’ve no clear Plot Armour, and we can’t be sure how he’ll react overall.

Lydia’s backstory was well done. Differences visually in each iteration.

Whilst there is still room for improvement, what we’re getting is leagues better than recent seasons.

   
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Well clearly Carl’s plot armour isn’t very good, cause he’s dead. New Carl has about as much plot armour as original Carl would have had.

 
   
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Latest episode also showing more of a pulse.

Can’t say too much without spoilers, so I’ll simply recommend that even lapsed viewers may fancy giving this season a whirl. It really has improved leaps and bounds since the days of Negan.

You may well find it not quite up to snuff still. It’s not like I’m telling anyone what standards to have. But as it continues to find its feet again, you may have enough intrigue to persevere.

   
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For the last episode it’s like the show simply forgot that they were supposed to develope Lydia and New Carl into likeable characters which took a lot of drama out of the confrontation. Like for people who haven’t read the comic did any of you really care about that supposed dilemma of giving up Lydia?

Also, what’s up with leaving the baby to die thing by the Whisperers? Like I know they live like animals but animals usually protect their babies. That made no sense. Babies must have a 100% fatality rate in their group.

 
   
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Likely a way to build in plot strands for The Whisperers.

Alpha has been telling them ‘got to be strong’ blah blah for a while, and through force of personality has seen it through.

Now? Now they’re faced with a solid, safe community. Well protected, well fed, well armed, well trained. And they actually give a monkey’s about the young etc.

All helps with the eventual resolution.

   
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Oh man, Chokepoint is one hell of an episode!

Tension! Skill! Plot! Character development! Badassery! Fisticuffs! Actual Doing A Think!

Seriously one of the best episodes in a long, long, time.

I feel like having lost its main two leads, the show is actually better off. With Rick and Carl out the picture, other characters, including newer ones, are getting more of the screen time and development. And that’s only to the show’s benefit.

   
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I do encourage peeps to give it another whirl.

If it's not to taste, it's not to taste. But it's definitely leaps and bounds better than it has been in aaaaages

   
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 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
For the last episode it’s like the show simply forgot that they were supposed to develope Lydia and New Carl into likeable characters which took a lot of drama out of the confrontation. Like for people who haven’t read the comic did any of you really care about that supposed dilemma of giving up Lydia?

Also, what’s up with leaving the baby to die thing by the Whisperers? Like I know they live like animals but animals usually protect their babies. That made no sense. Babies must have a 100% fatality rate in their group.


The baby thing might be the replacement for their other shocking "we're all just animals" attitude from the comics. While I understand why they may not have wanted to go there, it does build a stronger case for why they have to get Lydia the feth out of there.

And I think you hit it on the head...I don't trust or care enough about Henry to make this Romeo and Juliet story work. He just comes off as some dumb kid being led around by his you know what. If Carl was the one to vouch for Lydia, it'd be different.

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The latest issue of the comic has a shot of Rick and Carl meeting up where they stand together and give each other a look. That isn't something which the show could replicate (ah, I mean because Carl's dead, not for all the other reasons).

Now that both Rick and Carl are out of the show, along with other major characters, there's just less weight to their replacements. I liked Michonne for Michonne's arc in the comics, now she'll have to do her thing and pick up Rick's. ...Which then becomes further complicated if they then try and pull in scenes where the two are supposed to be in conflict, by giving the drama to other characters (who were either non-existent, or doing their own thing),

You can see that they know how much they screwed up with Carl's death in that they replaced him at all. Similar to how characters like Jesus have also had to step in. But as I said, that means either potential mis-characterising someone or creating a new character for the role who just cannot fill the void of someone we've been following for years now.

Personally I'd have been fine if they just killed off Carl with the character's death. If they just had to get rid of the character then dump all of his scenes as well and find new material. The same with Michonne turning into a git all of a sudden and alienating the other settlements, for the sake of tying up plot contrivances and dealing with the character's disappearance in the comics ("oops, we already introduced the content from that arc in the comics seasons ago. What're we supposed to do with her now?").

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It'll be a wonder how they deal with the current arc in the comics with Michonne. They'll have to find another Rick Grimes substitute (or just bring the actor back). Though if the series makes it that far we'll need a Dwight substitute as well. One with the characterisation and weight to fill that role ...for you know, that one moment with Rick and The Governor. Though I'm sure they'll find someone to fit that role (tsk, if only they hadn't killed off all those good Saviours characters in previous episode for no reason)).


   
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Or they're trying to free themselves from the comics somewhat.

I honestly don't know, as I'm not one to normally mix my media, preferring to see all of one, then consumer the next. I'm the same when eating my dinner.


   
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I was pretty burnt on the show. We barely watched last season and the beginning of this season. The introduction of the Whisperers and with Rick and Maggie gone the wife and I gave it another go as if it was basically a new show and so far we're enjoying it since the midseason finale and break. We'll see if it stays decent.

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Turn around has been impressive.

Particularly enjoyed the new group we met this episode, and how they were incorporated. No idea if they’re in the comics, but it worked for me.

   
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Last night's episode suggests it's still gathering steam.

Kind of an aside to the main stuff, but fills in quite a lot of stuff. As ever it's well shot, well constructed, but also gives a lot of character development.

I feel like in seasons past, that tale would've been spun out over perhaps two or three episodes. But not here. Nicely done within the hour. Lovely.


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Was also really quite harrowing in the last quarter. For a show known for it's horror, that was quite something!

No spoilers of course, but as it's relatively stand-alone in the season, easy to give it a watch in isolation.

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At least I understand Michonne’s total attitude shift now.

 
   
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WHOA!

That was quite the episode. Beautifully paced, some real gut punches.

One more to go and that’s Season 9 all wrapped up. Where it goes from here, I haven’t a clue (mostly because I’ve not read the comics).

   
 
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