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I would like to encourage you to leave comments about these miniatures; this may be the last chance for changes or revisions. Anything you love, hate, or feel you would like to see.... please speak up.

I will be starting another Kickstarter project to attempt to gain funding for these miniatures. I hope to see you there and will post here and on many of the gaming news sites when this becomes available.









You can see more shots here:

http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/02/preview-of-all-ten-heavy-trooper.html

ooooooooooh, I like the designs, especially the head swap ones. Very pretty models. I actually like the heavyweapon designs as well.

Make it weapon-swap-friendly. I cannot emphasize this enough. Make the guns separate from the hands if you have to.

Make it out of the cheapest material that you find reasonable. Even failing that, you clearly have the quality department perfectly nailed down.

The Heavy Weapons Squad seems to have much less detail than the Assault Squad. There is a noticeable absence of the ridges in the top of the helmet and ribbed-thing on the torso.

If you Kickstarter this, I'm totally in.

Absolutionis wrote:Make it weapon-swap-friendly. I cannot emphasize this enough. Make the guns separate from the hands if you have to.

Make it out of the cheapest material that you find reasonable. Even failing that, you clearly have the quality department perfectly nailed down.

The Heavy Weapons Squad seems to have much less detail than the Assault Squad. There is a noticeable absence of the ridges in the top of the helmet and ribbed-thing on the torso.

If you Kickstarter this, I'm totally in.

Good suggestion, I can make some arms that are blank.. no weapons just posed. Just so you know.... the arm length is pretty close to a SM and as they attach on a flat surface at the shoulder, you could simply use SM arms and weapons. The only hitch is they are not as wide across the chest as a SM so you would have a tiny bit of work on the SM plastic arms, but not much effort to be sure.

These will be metal. My caster is doing an incredible job and they are some of the cleanest spincasts I have seen.. Thats not just me saying that..... Resin is more expensive for me and they cannot pop out a large number per day.... leading to long back orders :( plus some of the parts are just too thin for resin to set in less than an hour or two. If everything was "heroic" scale I might be able to get away with it due to the faster kick of the resin.


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nkelsch wrote:ooooooooooh, I like the designs, especially the head swap ones. Very pretty models. I actually like the heavyweapon designs as well.

Thanks for the feedback!

My honest opinion as a designer (non-3d, but) is that the fluted design of the helmets on the Assault Squad doesn't go with the rest of the design. It seems discordant. I know what you're triing to go for, in terms of evoking actual old-school plate armor helmet design - I just think it would look better with the same style helmets from the first picture.

My 2 cents, for what it's worth. I hope that you can get a real company going, and provide some well-designed and produced alternatives to GW. I mention only GW because I don't think there are any companies out there who are even in the same universe of design quality (and CONSISTENCY, with notable exceptions) of models. Be nice if there were some models that weren't GW that didn't cost 2 arms and three legs (GW's give you the reasonable arm and a leg price point, 2 arms 3-4 legs for FW)

Good luck, and keep up the hard work!

-C6

I love the fluted helmets, and was going to suggest they replace the ones in the first pic

The armor looks to have some additional fluting in the 3rd pic, too- personally, I just love the 3rd pic so much more than the 1st... I'd consider actually getting models styled like the 3rd, but not the 1st. I don't know if that's a majority or minority opinion...

I really do like the swap option, but I think it needs to go a little farther when setting the squads rolls apart from each other.

Right now the body's all have the same silhouette (a really nice one btw), and that muddies what they do (assault vs shooting). And yes, it needs more than JUST the weapons. Try adding something at adds extra info. TF2 did wonders with this:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/530/tf2silo.jpg/

You know everyone's roll by their shape, and every shape is unique. Think along these lines and you'll do well.

Pic number 2 makes me wet... Pic 1 is meh... Pick 3 strikes me as a feeble attempt to imitate assault terminators... They just look too bulky and slow to effectively wield that sword with any degree of skill or speed. Dunno what their in universe role is but to me they look like should be armed with more of a spear or halberd type weapon (either thrust or chop, it also gives them added reach which keeps with their clearly defensive nature).

Also, what about Leviathan Azazel!?

All great feedback guys!


Just so you know, all three heads are going to come with each mini. So you can choose whatever style strikes your fancy.

I love the energy weapons.

can't think of anything to suggest. they look great the frist kick start went well enough I'm looking forward to placing a pre order for these

just a question will each squad have exactly the same configuration of heavy weapons or could you for example equip all the troops with the same weapon.

NoseGoblin wrote:Good suggestion, I can make some arms that are blank.. no weapons just posed

NoseGoblin wrote:Just so you know, all three heads are going to come with each mini. So you can choose whatever style strikes your fancy.

Well, that truly solves pretty much any problem I could think of.

NoseGoblin wrote:These will be metal.

If you're going to provide empty arms or weapons that are easily removable, metal shouldn't be a problem. Clipping one of those swords should be easy for even a novice modeler. Removing one of those pistols would be fairly difficult. Empty hands solves all problems. Of course, compatibility with GW parts also alleviates this issue. However, with miniatures so awesome-looking, it would be a waste to buy these only to throw the arms into the bits box.

As Kanluwen said, those swords are amazing.

If you're actively seeking complaints, a far stretch of a complaint would be that those Heavy Weapons are slightly static. The one with the huge cannon/grenadelauncher is awesome. However, the rest look too identical and static in comparison to one another.

Those are very cool.

Okay I'd like to have them now so just take my money but please put the other troopers on sale so we can buy them.

Very nice - I get a "male sister of battle" vibe off the first pic. I don't care much for the headswap heads. But the other ones are great - so I'm not too bothered.

Being metal just totally kills my interest though. Sorry :/

I don't like the one-handed heavy weapons (the fact that they're held one-handed, that is) - the two-handed poses look much better.

And I'm not keen on the swords, they look a bit too Manga Toy to me. Others above clearly disagree...

Otherwise really nice. The choice of heads is a good idea, and having them swappable will even please those who want to swap for different heads entirely.

Loving these guys. Couldnt justify the previous kickstarter but this one I think I could find a use for and with the optionb of direct feedback it is too good to pass up.

Is there any chance to get a shot of their backs to get a better idea what that side looks like? I am especially interested in the Heavy Backpacks and how different they are or if they are all the same.


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Never mind, the link shows all the backs, sorry.

They 'll look better if the helmets are 30% smaller .

Because right now, you are emphasizing the thickness of the armor plate by making the helmet HUGE.

Yet, you can do it the same by emphasizing the body's plate by making the head small.


And aesthetic wise, B is better.

They are great looking models.

I'm curious, would someone be able to purchase a single figure, or will they only come in a set?

Very disappointed that they're not coming in resin.

As Marrak asked, will it be possible to buy them in smaller sets? possibly one or two?

I'd entertain the idea of buying a full squad if they were resin, but as metal, I can only muster up enough interest for one or two.

Regardless, they look lovely. I'll agree with Luna though, slightly decreasing the size of the helmets wouldn't hurt. Slightly.

I really like them!!

Critique, as you asked for it-

The shoulder pads stick out to much.. why would a pad be that shape? are these meant to contain human beings? combined with the flatish heads, the whole top of the miniture looks to flat, which makes the whole pose look a bit to static.

The assault guys are awesome but the legs really need to be more dynamic/running forward.

From a sales point of view.. it cant hurt to make the torso peices the same width as Marine torsos (12mm).

Other than that, really like these!

AH

Loving them all, fairly static heavy weapons seems right and the assault squad look good.

However I was wondering if the ammo belts and power cables are separate or otherwise easy to remove because I personally would be using Zinge-Industries'.

I agree about the "two-handed" heavy weapons being the best poses. The quad-cannon makes more sense to have on 2 separate arms (it's also smaller) but the two guys with the large gun in a single hand are begging for a support to hold it with their other hand, like the guy 2nd from the right has.

Getting tempted!

love the angled helmets. Looks very sharp!

This is all great feed back! thank you for taking the time.

I will try to answer your questions......

Gamingdog wrote:can't think of anything to suggest. they look great the frist kick start went well enough I'm looking forward to placing a pre order for these

just a question will each squad have exactly the same configuration of heavy weapons or could you for example equip all the troops with the same weapon.

For the kickstarter the sqauds will be as shown but for retail sales they will be available as singles or squads.

Vain wrote:Loving these guys. Couldnt justify the previous kickstarter but this one I think I could find a use for and with the optionb of direct feedback it is too good to pass up.

Is there any chance to get a shot of their backs to get a better idea what that side looks like? I am especially interested in the Heavy Backpacks and how different they are or if they are all the same.

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Never mind, the link shows all the backs, sorry.

Yep you found it http://dreamforge-games.blogspot.com/2012/02/preview-of-all-ten-heavy-trooper.html

Marrak wrote:I'm curious, would someone be able to purchase a single figure, or will they only come in a set?

For the kickstarter the sqauds will be as shown but for retail sales they will be available as singles or squads.

ChaoticMind wrote:Loving them all, fairly static heavy weapons seems right and the assault squad look good.

However I was wondering if the ammo belts and power cables are separate or otherwise easy to remove because I personally would be using Zinge-Industries'.

These are multi part models, heads, arms, legs and backpacks are seperate... and yes the cables and ammo feed are too

That's a neat pic! Didn't realize how they went together.

Also, sent you a PM

They look great, but I think I like the 2nd heads the best out of all 3. They would look great on the assault models too

Looking good

RiTides wrote:I agree about the "two-handed" heavy weapons being the best poses. The quad-cannon makes more sense to have on 2 separate arms (it's also smaller) but the two guys with the large gun in a single hand are begging for a support to hold it with their other hand, like the guy 2nd from the right has.

Getting tempted!

If you check the links you would learn that these are energy weapons, and therefore dont have recoil, etc. They are also wearing powered armor, no reason for support whatsoever...