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The problem is that you took the named character, probably thinking - "He looks cool, he should be good-ish right?"

I guess this because of "Why isn't he hitting on 2s" - meaning you didn't look at his statline before very thoroughly.

Basically you have to realise "GW sucks at balancing. Most things in every codex are trash and that sucks".

In this case, pretty much every named Necron character sucks.

Named Necrons characters need a 10-20% points drop.

 p5freak wrote:

Doctoralex wrote:
Welp, the escalation league at my LFGS has kicked of and so far, it hasn't gone great for me :(

Played four matches, lost them all. Some horribly.

Here's my list:

Spoiler:

500P Mephrit patrol
HQ:
Illuminor Szeras (warlord trait Immortal Pride)

Troops:
15x Warriors
10x Immortals /w Tesla

Necron named characters are not worth the points they cost. I dont use them. Your list is weak. At 500pts i would play this. Wraith can kill shield captains, and destroyers have a chance killing vehicles with EP. Wraiths and destroyers are our best units. If the immortals and the overlord are being pressured by whatever they can just veil away to safety. As dynasty i would play novokh, to help the wraith in melee and to enable the destroyers to do something in melee as well. They are not the best with S5 AP0 D1 A2, but at 500 pts. you have to make best use from what you get for free. I like exploding scarabs, but with only 3CP you cant do much with them. I would use my CP on my destroyers.

Spoiler:

++ Patrol Detachment (Necrons) [28 PL, 494pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Dynasty Choice: Dynasty: Novokh

+ HQ +

Overlord [6 PL, 94pts]: Artefact: The Veil of Darkness, Staff of Light
. Warlord: Warlord Trait (Codex 1): Enduring Will

+ Troops +

Immortals [4 PL, 85pts]: 5x Immortal, Tesla Carbine

+ Fast Attack +

Canoptek Wraiths [9 PL, 165pts]: 3x Canoptek Wraith

Destroyers [9 PL, 150pts]
. 3x Destroyer: 3x Gauss Cannon

++ Total: [28 PL, 494pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe

Agree. this second list is better. Or maybe even drop the wraiths. Take a unit of 6 scarabs for cheap CC screeners and tie up units in combat. Use mortal wound stratagem. Pump the immortals to 10 and keep the destroyer and overlord.

 p5freak wrote:
Named Necrons characters need a 10-20% points drop.

Can agree with that, but I wouldn't say most of them stuck as much as half of them do.

Those 500 pt lists look designed to murder anything not on the stupid train. As in, if your not alpha striking or hitting t1 forget it.

I would play stupid with stupid.

Catacomb command bardge, 2 squads of 6 scarabs, 3 destroyers or wriaths depending on playstyle. Give ccb lightning field and warscythe, and make your opponet go "what?"

Your suggestion is not a valid patrol detachment.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Named Necrons characters need a 10-20% points drop.

Can agree with that, but I wouldn't say most of them stuck as much as half of them do.

Yeah, I agree with that. Sszeras is pretty solid in the right lists, and I've seen people have success with Imo. I have a feeling Orikan+WS LG or FOs has the potential to be a pretty snazzy combo if you can deliver them together correctly. Anraykr's +1 attack is pretty cool it's just a headache to get him anywhere to us it effectively.

Everyone else is pretty underwhelming. Trazyn in particular is pretty bad.

Shadar_Logoth wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Named Necrons characters need a 10-20% points drop.

Can agree with that, but I wouldn't say most of them stuck as much as half of them do.

Yeah, I agree with that. Sszeras is pretty solid in the right lists, and I've seen people have success with Imo. I have a feeling Orikan+WS LG or FOs has the potential to be a pretty snazzy combo if you can deliver them together correctly. Anraykr's +1 attack is pretty cool it's just a headache to get him anywhere to us it effectively.

Everyone else is pretty underwhelming. Trazyn in particular is pretty bad.

Isn't trazyn fairly priced for the wargear he brings? (Not saying you necessarily would want that wargear)


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I played Anrakyr and Orikan with 10 WS LG on the receiving end of 80 genestealers once with great success


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Of course they come to you. Hence the success.

Shadar_Logoth wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Named Necrons characters need a 10-20% points drop.

Can agree with that, but I wouldn't say most of them stuck as much as half of them do.

Yeah, I agree with that. Sszeras is pretty solid in the right lists, and I've seen people have success with Imo. I have a feeling Orikan+WS LG or FOs has the potential to be a pretty snazzy combo if you can deliver them together correctly. Anraykr's +1 attack is pretty cool it's just a headache to get him anywhere to us it effectively.

Everyone else is pretty underwhelming. Trazyn in particular is pretty bad.

Szeras, effective? Pray tell me how, cause so far he's just been handing out +1 S upgrades and missing his anti-tank shot for me.

By hitting with his shot and handing out +1 BS I wager.

Shadar_Logoth wrote:

Yeah, I agree with that. Sszeras is pretty solid in the right lists, and I've seen people have success with Imo. I have a feeling Orikan+WS LG or FOs has the potential to be a pretty snazzy combo if you can deliver them together correctly. Anraykr's +1 attack is pretty cool it's just a headache to get him anywhere to us it effectively.

By the time orikan gets empowered the game is over. The fact that he is sautekh and slow are two more nails in his coffin. Szeras looks good on paper, until you read the FAQ which says that his buffs are removed when you veil a unit that he buffed. No buffing destroyers and veiling them somewhere.

 p5freak wrote:

Shadar_Logoth wrote:

Yeah, I agree with that. Sszeras is pretty solid in the right lists, and I've seen people have success with Imo. I have a feeling Orikan+WS LG or FOs has the potential to be a pretty snazzy combo if you can deliver them together correctly. Anraykr's +1 attack is pretty cool it's just a headache to get him anywhere to us it effectively.

By the time orikan gets empowered the game is over. The fact that he is sautekh and slow are two more nails in his coffin. Szeras looks good on paper, until you read the FAQ which says that his buffs are removed when you veil a unit that he buffed. No buffing destroyers and veiling them somewhere.

I thought the jury was still not out on that one, since the FAQ only states it for units who are buffed only by stratagems. This was done to tone down Tide of Traitors a bit.
Anyway, Destroyers can't get upgraded by Szeras.

Hi everybody, long time lurker in this thread and was hoping for some list building advice. I joined an escalation league last week and soon we will be going up to 750pts for our armies. Here are my two lists I am thinking about running, if anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. I am thinking of fiddling with Nephrekh to try out deep striking my destroyers, but I am not married to it.

#1


#2


My thoughts on these lists: I like having the extra scoring troops and CP in the battalion, but I feel I won't have enough to use them on other than my destroyers. I am also worried two squads of 5 immortals just won't bring enough firepower. The patrol is going to make CP very hard to come by, but I like the idea of having scarabs and the firepower of a doomsday ark in a low points game. What do you, more experienced overlords think I should bring?

Doctoralex wrote:

Anyway, Destroyers can't get upgraded by Szeras.

True. Only warriors and immortals.

 p5freak wrote:

Doctoralex wrote:

Anyway, Destroyers can't get upgraded by Szeras.

True. Only warriors and immortals.

Surely also the stratagem distinction still holds for Veiling them?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Named Necrons characters need a 10-20% points drop.

Can agree with that, but I wouldn't say most of them stuck as much as half of them do.

I think Immotekh the Stormlord is the character worth considering. His MWND twice, Call the Storm and extra CP is worth his points, especially combo with Methodical Destruction.

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Methodical Destruction.

What are you shooting at that requires more than 2 units worth of shooting? Methodical Destruction is an overpriced trap.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Methodical Destruction.

What are you shooting at that requires more than 2 units worth of shooting? Methodical Destruction is an overpriced trap.

Magnus, with his -1 to hit and 3++. I put MWBD on Immortals and Destroyer Lord with Void Reaper. Then It took my whole 10 man warriors to cause 1W on him, triggered MD, then piled in my two DDAs with both big cannons and side arms, 10 men Telsa Immortals, a Night Scythe, to drop him down to 4W remains, tbh it was the most lucky moment my DDAs had ever enjoyed they striped off total of 8W from Magnus.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Methodical Destruction.

What are you shooting at that requires more than 2 units worth of shooting? Methodical Destruction is an overpriced trap.

Imperial Knights are creating quite a buzz in the AdMech thread, obviously. Then the Primarchs of course.

 p5freak wrote:

Shadar_Logoth wrote:

Yeah, I agree with that. Sszeras is pretty solid in the right lists, and I've seen people have success with Imo. I have a feeling Orikan+WS LG or FOs has the potential to be a pretty snazzy combo if you can deliver them together correctly. Anraykr's +1 attack is pretty cool it's just a headache to get him anywhere to us it effectively.

Szeras looks good on paper, until you read the FAQ which says that his buffs are removed when you veil a unit that he buffed.

No. FAQ says that buffs removed when you redeploy unit with stratagem. Veil is not a stratagem.

Still, Szeras is not very usefull. Mainly because of price and cause you can't give him artefact.

Neophyte2012 wrote:
I think Immotekh the Stormlord is the character worth considering. His MWND twice, Call the Storm and extra CP is worth his points, especially combo with Methodical Destruction.

Imotekh is the most overpriced of them all. What can he do ? Re-roll 1s for FO. No one plays with them. Can he deepstrike like they do ? No. Is he nephrekh ? No, cant use their stratagem. You need a teleport method for him, which is expensive, makes him even more overpriced. He gives 1 CP. Not bad, but i would rather invest the extra points he costs in a battalion. Lord of the storm, nice, but random. MWBD twice ? Every overlord can do that for 1 CP. He regains D3 wounds, useless if he is slain. A cloaktek can do the same. 160 pts would be ok for him.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Methodical Destruction.

What are you shooting at that requires more than 2 units worth of shooting? Methodical Destruction is an overpriced trap.

Simple fething bloat drone. Scored 61 hits on one with MWBD and MD, but only 6 wounds. They arent just OP, they are OP².

-Sentinel- wrote:
No. FAQ says that buffs removed when you redeploy unit with stratagem. Veil is not a stratagem.

Ok.

-Sentinel- wrote:
Still, Szeras is not very usefull. Mainly because of price and cause you can't give him artefact.

 p5freak wrote:

Neophyte2012 wrote:
I think Immotekh the Stormlord is the character worth considering. His MWND twice, Call the Storm and extra CP is worth his points, especially combo with Methodical Destruction.

Imotekh is the most overpriced of them all. What can he do ? Re-roll 1s for FO. No one plays with them. Can he deepstrike like they do ? No. Is he nephrekh ? No, cant use their stratagem. You need a teleport method for him, which is expensive, makes him even more overpriced. He gives 1 CP. Not bad, but i would rather invest the extra points he costs in a battalion. Lord of the storm, nice, but random. MWBD twice ? Every overlord can do that for 1 CP. He regains D3 wounds, useless if he is slain. A cloaktek can do the same. 160 pts would be ok for him.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Neophyte2012 wrote:
Methodical Destruction.

What are you shooting at that requires more than 2 units worth of shooting? Methodical Destruction is an overpriced trap.

Simple fething bloat drone. Scored 61 hits on one with MWBD and MD, but only 6 wounds. They arent just OP, they are OP².

-Sentinel- wrote:
No. FAQ says that buffs removed when you redeploy unit with stratagem. Veil is not a stratagem.

Ok.

-Sentinel- wrote:
Still, Szeras is not very usefull. Mainly because of price and cause you can't give him artefact.

He is ok when you roll the right numbers, T+1 or BS+1 is nice.

So if other armies wish for this "amazing HQ?, then why are so few Necrons topping events and... did ANY lists with Immotekh do well... ever? I'm not aware of any. Feel free to tell me the GT/Major name and I'll look it up

Well army is rarely one model only...If your arqument is necrons aren't topping reason is unlikely to be the HQ but whole army.

IG has pretty awesome HQ model in form of company commander. Even Pask is nice. Good luck winning tournament with either if rest of the army is crap though

On a related note to named characters:

Why can other faction's powerful HQ's just laugh at The Nightbringer/T.C'tan in terms of killing power, while also being cheaper AND providing buffs to nearby units?

I'm mostly talking about a Chaos Deamonprince, Tyranid Flyrant and Custodes Shield-captain on bike.

Why are these just straight up better in melee, cheaper and provide buffs?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

3. And with 1 CP Stormlord can give MWBD to three total units.

It is not clearly ruled yet. Cause his ability gives him MWBD second time, and stratagem gives him MWBD second time. So its up to as tournament organiser decides.

I don't see any ambiguity - there's nothing in the rules that allows Imhotek to use MWBD more than twice.

tneva82 wrote:
Well army is rarely one model only...If your arqument is necrons aren't topping reason is unlikely to be the HQ but whole army.

IG has pretty awesome HQ model in form of company commander. Even Pask is nice. Good luck winning tournament with either if rest of the army is crap though

No, I clearly stated that the Necron lists that are winning do not use Immotekh. Prove me wrong.

The main objection is perhaps that for the price of two OLs you get performance near 2 OLs (you're not taking OLs for shooting or CC damage anyway), but you only get to fill one HQ slot.

That may or may not be a problem, depending on your situation. If it is a problem, then Immo is not for you.

Personally everytime ive used Imo hes been great, hes very well rounded, great buffs(stuff FO's), great CC, great shooting and that storm is golden - especially for activating M.D. which i combo alot with units depending on what i need dead.

Would i like him to be cheaper sure!! but he isn't crap by any stretch.

Anraykyr has been solid harder to use for sure positioning and planning his use is key.

Szeras is the same bad positioning nad you have wasted him.