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At twice the price there should be exclusive content. Fiction, art, slipcases or regal covers. Not actually nothing.

 Knockagh wrote:
This series has the worst collectors editions produced by GW I think ever. There is nothing at all extra in them. The few pieces of fiction are mostly available on community for free. The cover isn’t really any different. I don’t get it at all. They aren’t even trying.

Seems to sum up PA - lackluster stuff for the Eldar, two more Marine supplements not even disguised as a campagn book and a few bits and pieces for others. Same pattern seems to be the same for nex few - yet more Supplements for Marines - Dark Angels and Wolves.

I look back at Sheild of Baal and this seems very very bad.

 Knockagh wrote:
At twice the price there should be exclusive content. Fiction, art, slipcases or regal covers. Not actually nothing.

There should never be exclusive content. Bells and whistles to the physical book, knock yourself out.
But not game content.

Would rather not be a "Collectors Edition" at all... Just make a normal one with the super nice cover/lore, then make a stripped down and Rules Only Version like they did for the BrB and the AoS BrB. A Gamer edition.

Then have all the Peripheral stuff you could order (Dice, markers, cards) separate. Would be nice if those had a period of time where orders could come in and you're guaranteed the product (even if they have to do another run of it), instead of spamming the online store for some 15 dollar BB Dice that go for 40+ on eBay ..

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:
This series has the worst collectors editions produced by GW I think ever. There is nothing at all extra in them. The few pieces of fiction are mostly available on community for free. The cover isn’t really any different. I don’t get it at all. They aren’t even trying.

Seems to sum up PA - lackluster stuff for the Eldar, two more Marine supplements not even disguised as a campagn book and a few bits and pieces for others. Same pattern seems to be the same for nex few - yet more Supplements for Marines - Dark Angels and Wolves.

I look back at Sheild of Baal and this seems very very bad.

With you on this 100% Morden. You're not wrong.

Voss wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:
At twice the price there should be exclusive content. Fiction, art, slipcases or regal covers. Not actually nothing.

There should never be exclusive content. Bells and whistles to the physical book, knock yourself out.
But not game content.

I agree it shouldn’t have additional game content, that would be ridiculous. But extra fluff should definitely be included

 Perfect Organism wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
honestly it'd be pretty gakky of them to produce a campaign/setting/lore book and make important details only apper in the limited edition one. that'd drive me crazy. I'd rather they limit that stuff to art etc.

Most of the PA fiction on Warhammer Community isn't really 'lore' though. It's just stories with no real impact on wider events which don't tell you anything you wouldn't already know about the setting in general. That kind of thing seems fine to keep exclusive to an optional book.

right I'm not talking the short stores in the CE because thats what we've got, I'm talking about them including ohh I dunno, a page of actual lore unavaliable elsewhere

 Knockagh wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:
At twice the price there should be exclusive content. Fiction, art, slipcases or regal covers. Not actually nothing.

There should never be exclusive content. Bells and whistles to the physical book, knock yourself out.
But not game content.

I agree it shouldn’t have additional game content, that would be ridiculous. But extra fluff should definitely be included

I'm not clear why. Some people care about fluff, they shouldn't be charged extra for wanting it.

Particularly given what is already included. There were only 16 pages of lore in PA II. The collector's edition doubles that to 32, minus the few upon which the free short stories on WHC were printed. It's one thing adding a free short story to the end of a 250+ page limited edition novel, another thing entirely to add an entirely self-contained narrative to a campaign book that barely had any lore in it to begin with.

Voss wrote:
I'm not clear why. Some people care about fluff, they shouldn't be charged extra for wanting it.

What's your reasoning there? Why shouldn't people who like 'fluff' pay for the content they enjoy? Do you think novels should be given away for free?

 Perfect Organism wrote:

Voss wrote:
I'm not clear why. Some people care about fluff, they shouldn't be charged extra for wanting it.

What's your reasoning there? Why shouldn't people who like 'fluff' pay for the content they enjoy? Do you think novels should be given away for free?

Yeah if they did a normal priced one with the fluff and such in and the cool cover I’d buy that, and then a cheaper one that’s stripped back to just rules would be a great idea for people who just want that. I’d say this is a much better way of doing it than the current way of sticking a nicer texture on the cover and selling it for double(!!!) the normal book’s price.

I doubt that's viable giving the costs involved in book printing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I doubt that's viable giving the costs involved in book printing.

too many costs are involved, it is actually sometimes cheaper(for all involved)to do a print run of 1(longer page ct) combined book rather than 2 separate books.

just make the rules only version a digital download, nothing wrong with then just printing it out(whats relevant) at home.

except that doing a rules only version would require them to do a new outlay for the book etc. which is additional costs. So why should GW incurr additional costs all so a handfull of people can save 5 bucks or so?

 Perfect Organism wrote:

Voss wrote:
I'm not clear why. Some people care about fluff, they shouldn't be charged extra for wanting it.

What's your reasoning there? Why shouldn't people who like 'fluff' pay for the content they enjoy? Do you think novels should be given away for free?

I didn't say they shouldn't pay for the book or that books should be given away for free. That's an absurd stretch to the point of not even being an argument.

Its pretty simple:
The PA books are $40. An extra $40 for the 'special edition.'
What I'm arguing is all the content should be in the $40 version. No one who likes fluff should be paying an extra $40 for a couple short stories, and adding 'exclusive content' to a special edition would be exactly that, which is what Knockagh said in the first place- that they were obligated to add exclusive content to the special edition, including fiction.


GW's special editions are really straightforward. They get the publisher to print X hundred copies with a different cover and maybe a couple other bells and whistles like ribbons and gilded edges. This costs them slightly more, and they double the cost of the book for it. That's nice and all for people that want fancier looking books, but I draw a definite line at adding game and background content to things they're 'justified' at doubling the price on.

Feel free to stay on topic gents - ‘are limited editions worth it?’ isn’t the title or topic of this thread.

The only new rumours that i've heard, from someone that is usually "on the money" is as follows;

The new model for the DA is a brand new character not previously seen before.

The character release for the Sage of the Beast book is an "enormous" release in terms of game impact. It is apparently one that "people have been guessing at" for a long time now. Which furry SW character could that be, i guess?

Still not 100% sure on who will be vs the T'au in their book, but, as the characters getting released have mainly been Marines so far, i feel like it will probably be Deathwatch, with them also getting their first named Primaris character.

Kdash wrote:

The character release for the Sage of the Beast book is an "enormous" release in terms of game impact. It is apparently one that "people have been guessing at" for a long time now. Which furry SW character could that be, i guess?

Ragnar is the alleged SW release.

Ghazghkull is the “enormous” release that “people have been guessing at” for a long time now. Obviously.

 Knockagh wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Knockagh wrote:
At twice the price there should be exclusive content. Fiction, art, slipcases or regal covers. Not actually nothing.

There should never be exclusive content. Bells and whistles to the physical book, knock yourself out.
But not game content.

I agree it shouldn’t have additional game content, that would be ridiculous. But extra fluff should definitely be included

If you strip the fluff away, you're left with a garbage-tier game that can't stand up to a stiff breeze. Lore is main element of gameplay in 40k.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Kdash wrote:

The character release for the Sage of the Beast book is an "enormous" release in terms of game impact. It is apparently one that "people have been guessing at" for a long time now. Which furry SW character could that be, i guess?

Ragnar is the alleged SW release.

Ghazghkull is the “enormous” release that “people have been guessing at” for a long time now. Obviously.

Whilst i hope Ghaz gets an update at the same time, i've been led to believe the "enormous" one is -the- SW Character. Whether or not Ragnar also gets a Primaris update at the same time, i have no idea.

Kdash wrote:

The new model for the DA is a brand new character not previously seen before.

I'm gonna take a guess that it'll be Captian Lazerius, GW took the effort to set him up specificly in white dwarf awhile back and Dark angels notably lack a battle company captain character

I haven't noticed the promised giant ever changing impact of Psychic Awakening on the 40k background yet. Can anyone share some updates on that?

Kdash wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Kdash wrote:

The character release for the Sage of the Beast book is an "enormous" release in terms of game impact. It is apparently one that "people have been guessing at" for a long time now. Which furry SW character could that be, i guess?

Ragnar is the alleged SW release.

Ghazghkull is the “enormous” release that “people have been guessing at” for a long time now. Obviously.

Whilst i hope Ghaz gets an update at the same time, i've been led to believe the "enormous" one is -the- SW Character. Whether or not Ragnar also gets a Primaris update at the same time, i have no idea.

I didn't think people have been guessing at Russ for a long time though? Which is surely the only SW character worthy of such bold statements?

Or is it tongue in cheek and the character is new one; 'Wolfborn Coldglass Frostspite' of the Iced Fangs chapter?

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Kdash wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Kdash wrote:

The character release for the Sage of the Beast book is an "enormous" release in terms of game impact. It is apparently one that "people have been guessing at" for a long time now. Which furry SW character could that be, i guess?

Ragnar is the alleged SW release.

Ghazghkull is the “enormous” release that “people have been guessing at” for a long time now. Obviously.

Whilst i hope Ghaz gets an update at the same time, i've been led to believe the "enormous" one is -the- SW Character. Whether or not Ragnar also gets a Primaris update at the same time, i have no idea.

I didn't think people have been guessing at Russ for a long time though? Which is surely the only SW character worthy of such bold statements?

Or is it tongue in cheek and the character is new one; 'Wolfborn Coldglass Frostspite' of the Iced Fangs chapter?

People have been guessing at Russ for a while now, especially after Guiliman returned. Odin style Russ has been talked about endlessly. However, I have no idea whether GW will go down that route. It’s also been drawing inspiration from some of the Dark Imperium setting novels, especially the Ashes of Prospero and the return of parts of the 13th Company and Magnus hinting to the Wolves where Russ might actually be.

But yes, Russ is what has been implied to be the big character release.

Whilst I am pretty optimistic on this being the case, it is still the case that it is what has been said to me by someone I trust, though beyond that, I’ve seen nothing.



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BrianDavion wrote:

Kdash wrote:

The new model for the DA is a brand new character not previously seen before.

I'm gonna take a guess that it'll be Captian Lazerius, GW took the effort to set him up specificly in white dwarf awhile back and Dark angels notably lack a battle company captain character

Not heard of him, and to be fair i miss a fair few of the WDs. I take it he is just a standard Company Captain style character?

 Malika2 wrote:
I haven't noticed the promised giant ever changing impact of Psychic Awakening on the 40k background yet. Can anyone share some updates on that?

I think there were a few bits and pieces in the Eldar one but as they are just Marine Supplements prenteding to be Campaign packs its less likely - although Vigilis (which surprise surprise, was also vastly focussed on various different kinds of Marines) also had very little of note in terms of impact on the background lore.

Matching with the name of the release, saga of the beast could of course finally be Ghazkull becoming primarch sized (putting him on roboute and abadon scale) and leman russ coming back at the same time.

GW will not of course actually do something that epic but you never know.

This Psychic Awakening thing is being rather underwhelming so far...

In terms of "story" or lore all I have read in these books has been basically "nothing happens" "we already knew that", and similar... Fortunately I could read all without having to buy the books. I cannot see the impact or interest or "epic scale like the Horus Heresy" anywhere in the books, and certainly, not in the companion scarce models released. The only one marginally interesting was the first boxset with Jain Zar, Drahzar and co., and was very expensive and new models together with ancient ones or much less interesting ones, that made that box uninteresting.

And they announce that every next book only will have 1 new model each? And with high chances of them all being yet again, Primarines and Primarines characters?


If at least they would include a new model for each faction in the books could be marginally more interesting (at least to have something for everybody). As it is is pretty boring and underwhelming... On the bright side, I guess I'll continue to be saving a lot of money

 Warpspy wrote:
This Psychic Awakening thing is being rather underwhelming so far...

In terms of "story" or lore all I have read in these books has been basically "nothing happens" "we already knew that", and similar... Fortunately I could read all without having to buy the books. I cannot see the impact or interest or "epic scale like the Horus Heresy" anywhere in the books, and certainly, not in the companion scarce models released. The only one marginally interesting was the first boxset with Jain Zar, Drahzar and co., and was very expensive and new models together with ancient ones or much less interesting ones, that made that box uninteresting.

And they announce that every next book only will have 1 new model each? And with high chances of them all being yet again, Primarines and Primarines characters?


If at least they would include a new model for each faction in the books could be marginally more interesting (at least to have something for everybody). As it is is pretty boring and underwhelming... On the bright side, I guess I'll continue to be saving a lot of money

I agree. I find myself fairly underwhelmed from what we've seen from the releases so far. Hopefully they plan on ramping up the releases of the supplements if the content is as lacklustre as we've seen. Either that, or there is some big release coming very shortly. Though if it's another Space Marine release, it would be such awful timing that the backlash would be intense.

Considering every book but the first looks like "Flavour of SM" vs "Baddie of the month"...

Though, it'd be nice if the Greater Good book was Tau vs Tau, but I bet it's going to be Astra Militarum + Knights v Tau again.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Considering every book but the first looks like "Flavour of SM" vs "Baddie of the month"...

Though, it'd be nice if the Greater Good book was Tau vs Tau, but I bet it's going to be Astra Militarum + Knights v Tau again.

It's probably AdMech so they can release that flyer.