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 usernamesareannoying wrote:
Same reason you felt the need to leave a smart ass response.
I enjoyed it up till season 10 and haven’t caught 11 but it feels like it’s been the final season for forever.

I legitimately was surprised.
Sorry if my question offended you.

The reason S11 might feel overlong is because Covid caused a delay (hence S10 got a few episodes tagged on to the end) and they've deliberately scheduled S11 in two halves. There was always a mid season break, but the timing is all to cock from usual (premier in Oct, break over new year, finish Q1 following year.)

So your internal metronome has several reasons to be off.

Thank you azreal

And it’s back, for the final third of the 11th and final season.

What a ride it’s been. A literal rollecoaster of highs and lows.

For the latest episode?

And three new shows were formally (re-)announced (that we all most likely knew of already). So far only Dead City sounds interesting (Negan + Maggie + NYC + Zombies Walkers = fun? )

I am about halfway through season 11… the show continues to be mediocre in my opinion but I feel invested in several of the characters and I keep hoping it will get better. Fear the Walking Dead rewarded me for my patience even if it later let me down again. I just wish the Walking Dead shows were better. There is so much potential in the setting and there are some great characters in the various shows.

When Rick “left” I thought that would be the end of it for me but fair play, the showrunners kept me coming back (I can not seem to turn down more Morgan and Daryl at the very least)… and got me watching the spin-offs. I still need to see the show about the USS Pennsylvania (although I am pretty pessimistic about how good it will be) and more of Tales of the Walking Dead (I only saw episode 1 but Terry Crews was awesome).

As for the newly announced spin-offs…



Most of all I really, really wish Walking Dead would hire (and listen to) better military and police technical advisors.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Most of all I really, really wish Walking Dead would hire (and listen to) better military and police technical advisors.

Maybe it's because these are not the military or police and acting as such would be unrealistic?

 Ghaz wrote:

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Most of all I really, really wish Walking Dead would hire (and listen to) better military and police technical advisors.

Maybe it's because these are not the military or police and acting as such would be unrealistic?

The Reapers were ex-military, which is why they were pretty tasty and ruthless.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
Most of all I really, really wish Walking Dead would hire (and listen to) better military and police technical advisors.

Maybe it's because these are not the military or police and acting as such would be unrealistic?

The Reapers were ex-military, which is why they were pretty tasty and ruthless.

So they would have needed advisors for those few episodes (assuming the Reapers hadn't just gotten sloppy by that time).

The Reapers (thanks for reminding me of the name of the Purge-like group that I forgot the name of) came across more like just another biker gang than the US Army trained combat veterans they were supposed to be. The ghillie wearing “sniper” and the Reaper leader in particular came across more as a militia wannabe soldiers than a trained combat veterans. Even Negan's Saviors came across more real world military than the Reapers. Not that the Saviors were very soldierly.

There have been soldiers, sailors and cops in the show… Fear of the Walking Dead had uniformed troops at the start (remember the one US soldier who gets tortured by one of the protagonists?), Walking Dead had Abe and the soldiers the Governor ambushed, World Beyond had several military characters, including scenes of uniformed troops at the outbreak. Generally they have been portrayed as incompetent and unprofessional (the protagonist who tortured the US Soldier I mentioned earlier is an exception on the competence to a certain degree, his physical skills seem fine but he has severe mental health issues that degrade his overall competence) and almost all of them as just not very soldier like. Same for the Cops in Atlanta. Uniformed bullies looking out for themselves… which may be how a lot of non-Cops see the Police but from my experience not very authentic to real Cops. Rick in the beginning came across to me as an actual Cop trying to adjust to a new paradigm even if his behavior was not technically very cop-like most of the time. It is part of what originally drew me into the show. But the more I watched the more it looked like Rick was a stereotype of a “good cop” and Shane a stereotype of a “bad cop” from the perspective of people who have never made an arrest themselves.

I have been a soldier and a cop. There are certain things, certain habits and mannerisms that form part of the culture surrounding those fields. Any veteran on this board should know what I am talking about. Is is not just fingers off the trigger and shouting clear after entering room. Captain Dale Dye and his folks at Warriors Inc. have a way of bringing those things that bring authenticity to the screen when they are listened to… which is not often enough.

If a show can not speak with authenticity to give a voice for soldiers and cops then I would rather they just stick with the voices they can do justice to. So sure focus on civilians surviving the zombie apocalypse and keep the military off screen… or just hire and listen to some of the numerous veterans looking for work right now.

https://warriorsinc.website/

They have milked this universe to death. All the spinoffs they've announced are offensive. They're basically just keeping the show going and adding subtitles. I'm going to finish the main series, which I think is 8 episodes, and never watch anything TWD ever again. I'm merely watching as a completionist.

I am surprised there is not more talk about the big reveal at the end of Walking Dead: World Beyond…




I do not think the universe is milked to death largely because there are plenty of things I would have liked to see explored that were ignored so far.

Definitely still plenty tales to be told. Not necessarily a series unto themselves. But how about following the Government as things fall apart.

How did it get so bad, so fast? Was there incompetence? Corruption? Or was it just mass panic leading the populace to rash decision making.

What about those who had bunkers to hide in? What happened to them?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Definitely still plenty tales to be told. Not necessarily a series unto themselves.

You mean an anthology like the current Tales of the Walking Dead series?...

I wouldn’t know because I’m British and we’re seemingly not allowed it :(

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wouldn’t know because I’m British and we’re seemingly not allowed it :(

I've only seen the second episode, but as a crossover between 'The Walking Dead' and Bill Murray's 'Groundhog Day' it was a pretty good episode.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I wouldn’t know because I’m British and we’re seemingly not allowed it :(

It is frustrating that these are not more readily available overseas from the States given the global nature of the Internet.

I caught episode 1 on YouTube, the one with Terry Crews. It was pretty good… but really only because of him. There were some very annoying plotholes but his charm helped me ignore them. I love that guy.

EDIT: I am surprised to find he second half of season 11 much more interesting than the first half. The Commonwealth plot should not be that engaging as it seems like going over well worn old ground but for some reason it has captured my attention and I am starting to care what happens next there.

Another satisfying episode for the most part.

Just got around to watching it and have to say the death was quite shocking actually.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Just got around to watching it and have to say the death was quite shocking actually.

Spoiler:

clearly going in a much different direction than the comic. Who’s going to be the final big bad now? Lance? Pamela? I like the way in the comic Pamela was willing to lock up her own son for the sake of society. It was what finally showed that civilization is back. I don’t know how they’re going to pull that off now.

I have not read the comic but it does sound like I would prefer how the comic handled that.

Well….that changes things somewhat.

Really, really excellent episode.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Just got around to watching it and have to say the death was quite shocking actually.

Spoiler:

clearly going in a much different direction than the comic. Who’s going to be the final big bad now? Lance? Pamela? I like the way in the comic Pamela was willing to lock up her own son for the sake of society. It was what finally showed that civilization is back. I don’t know how they’re going to pull that off now.

I have not read the comic but it does sound like I would prefer how the comic handled that.

Spoiler:

I think there was a clue that Pamela is just as bad as Lance in that she demanded Mercer to protect her and he said his job was not to protect her but instead to protect the Commonwealth. Pamela accuses Lance of putting himself before the Commonwealth several times but she seems to be a hypocrite and does it too.

I wish the show had further explored the idea that Maggie is in her own way as much of an autocrat as Pamela is… but that she puts her people before herself.

I think I know what's happening. In the comic Lance and Pamela are not evil or crazy. More importantly, The Commonwealth is not evil or crazy either. Clearly, societal norms were just slowly coming back. And so in the comics the Final Boss is the idea that all means are justified in a crisis is no longer how people want to live.

However, AMC got like 5 new Zombie shows coming out! So there's is no need to wrap things up in a satisfyingly manner. Quite the opposite. They probably need the Commonwealth to fully explode because they need a whole bunch more conflict to launch all these new series. The need ALL APOCALYPTIC ACTION ALL THE TIME FOREVER! So I can already see I will not like these last few episodes of this long running series because what they are really going for is a non-ending.

For me, it's just shows the weakness of the show. It's become so repetitive. In the comic Pamela call herself "The Governor" which The Alexandiarans mention has traumatic connotations for them. But Pamela assures them she's a different kind of Governor - you'll see. And sure enough she is. This show didn't duplicate that scene because...Pamela is pretty much the same character as The Governor. She now has a dead child she going to keep "alive" in a secret room as she slowly goes insane. They literally already did that storyline with Governor I.

I don’t agree we’re heading to a non-conclusion ending.

What I think we’re going to see is The Commonwealth get sorted out, and remain as the first bastion of civilisation.

But at the same time, those who have lost too much, or like Daryl embraced the wandering inherent to this apocalypse keep pushing outwards. Maybe finding other communities, to let them know of The Commonwealth. Or simply not be able to settle back into civilian life.

The Commonwealth stabilising doesn’t Fix The World. The Commonwealth surviving doesn’t Fix The World.

Yes it’s a staggering size by apocalypse standards - but the rest of the world is still largely buggered. People to find, places to see, things to explore.

In terms of spin-offs?

Fear The Walking Dead isn’t, so far as I remember, taking place in the same time as The Walking Dead, following the significant time jump between Rick going missing and Magna’s group arriving (five years, I think?), so that’s no affected by however TWD wraps itself up.

World Beyond is already concluded. Maybe I’ll go binge watch that, as episodically it never really gripped me.

Tales Of is an anthology of one shots. Again, doesn’t need to rely on TWD’s main story, as it can be backfilling, gap filling, what iffing etc

Daryl’s spin off is reportedly set in Europe. How the heck he gets there I dunno, but again the fate of the Commonwealth isn’t really a factor.

Dead City? Set in Manhattan. Commonwealth is in Ohio. Not as far away as Europe like, but also still far enough away The Commonwealth’s fate just….doesn’t matter.


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As for The Governor? I’m pretty sure the only characters still with us from that period would be Daryl and Carol.

Daryl isn’t one to be phased by it, and I think Carol got herself banished for those bad murders before the conflict? Or did she. Actually I don’t think she did? No she was there. But then…Carol is gonna Carol. Play the innocent harmless home maker until it’s time for some well deserved Murder Death Kill.

But those are the only two in the Commonwealth who were there for The Governor, as I don’t think Maggie has set foot inside?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fear The Walking Dead isn’t, so far as I remember, taking place in the same time as The Walking Dead, following the significant time jump between Rick going missing and Magna’s group arriving (five years, I think?), so that’s no affected by however TWD wraps itself up.

There's a wiki for that with a Television Universe Timeline covering The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead and The Walking Dead: World Beyond.

Oh nice!

 Ghaz wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fear The Walking Dead isn’t, so far as I remember, taking place in the same time as The Walking Dead, following the significant time jump between Rick going missing and Magna’s group arriving (five years, I think?), so that’s no affected by however TWD wraps itself up.

There's a wiki for that with a Television Universe Timeline covering The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead and The Walking Dead: World Beyond.

Thanks for the link to that timeline. I clearly misunderstood the timeline of the various shows and now that has been reconciled for me. Cheers! 👍

And yes, it does feel like Pamela is Governor 2.0. Disappointing. Was her father the serving President during the Outbreak or before?

Most recent episode for Walking Dead felt disappointing to me. Definitely feels like the show is echoing other previous plotlines. So much so I have to wonder if it is on purpose.

I also managed to finally see Dead in the Water (the Fear the Walking Dead backstory prequel episode about the USS Pennsylvania. It was disappointing even with going in with low expectations. I suppose it could have been worse. Still, I really would like to see the showrunners use at least as much professional military technical advice as the Last Ship had in its early seasons. And that is not an incredibly high bar to reach.

Latest episode is…odd. On the surface it feels a bit anaemic. But.

The ending of it suggests this was a necessary bridging episode, to get us from shenanigans in the Commonwealth, to, well, shenanigans where we wound up. Thinking about the preceding episodes, I don’t think what happened here could really have been interspersed among the other ongoing plots. But whether that’s damning with faint praise I’m not sure. Certainly it’s been a long time since we had such an episode.

There is still stuff to enjoy, from the washed out palette to channel doom and gloom in certain scenes, to some (perhaps not entirely necessary) character moments.

I think it’s best to hold off judgement until we see how the rest of those section fully shakes out.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Latest episode is…odd. On the surface it feels a bit anaemic. But.

The ending of it suggests this was a necessary bridging episode, to get us from shenanigans in the Commonwealth, to, well, shenanigans where we wound up. Thinking about the preceding episodes, I don’t think what happened here could really have been interspersed among the other ongoing plots. But whether that’s damning with faint praise I’m not sure. Certainly it’s been a long time since we had such an episode.

There is still stuff to enjoy, from the washed out palette to channel doom and gloom in certain scenes, to some (perhaps not entirely necessary) character moments.

I think it’s best to hold off judgement until we see how the rest of those section fully shakes out.

I saw your post before I caught the episode… but I have seen it now and I agree with your observations. It felt… odd… to have the location reveal be what it is.

Much, much better.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Much, much better.

Spoiler:

Excellent tension building and some good pay offs.

We see our group heal old wounds, seeing elements in a different light. And importantly, we see them putting their previous lessons to good use. We even get some redemption for certain elements of the antagonists, as well as new insight that perhaps Lance wasn’t as rogue as Pamela claimed.

And I’m happy to report that last week’s episode is slotting in better to the wider story now. I still think it was a wee bit iffy, but for someone with no knowledge of film making other than enjoying what I enjoy, it’s for wiser minds to suggest whether it was a necessary slowing of the pace.

With two episodes left, I really think it’s going to go out on a high.

Just finished the episode and I quite agree.