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**Easy E**

I have not heard, but was ISIS involved in Mali or was that a local insurgency group?

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Or a local insurgency group that calls themselves ISIS? Seriously, anybody can call themselves ISIS and go out and commit a terror attack in their name. ISIS is not just an organisation, its a movement.

**Frazzled**

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-mosque-idUSKBN19C2Q1

**jhe90**

If true there now destroyed own religious site. Well done guys...

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

jhe90 wrote:
If true there now destroyed own religious site. Well done guys...

I suspect its a case of "If we can't have it, no-one can!". They know they're losing and are going lose control over Mosul, so they're using a scorched earth tactic.

**jhe90**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
If true there now destroyed own religious site. Well done guys...

I suspect its a case of "If we can't have it, no-one can!". They know they're losing and are going lose control over Mosul, so they're using a scorched earth tactic.

Yeah, there losing badly, and the enemy have not stopped closing in.
Attacks on Raqqa too.. With artillery...

The enemies are tight on there throat.

**BigWaaagh**

Beauty, eh?! Take that hoser! Well done northern brothers...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/report-record-2-mile-sniper-shot-kills-isis-militant-in-iraq/ar-BBD1Qjl?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

jhe90 wrote:
If true there now destroyed own religious site. Well done guys...

Their claim is 'the US did it', so likely more to it than a scorched earth - the claim is unsubstantiated, but let's face it, it's an attempt to generate further anti-US sentiment.

**Spetulhu**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
If true there now destroyed own religious site. Well done guys...

I suspect its a case of "If we can't have it, no-one can!". They know they're losing and are going lose control over Mosul, so they're using a scorched earth tactic.

IIRC they were going to blow it up once already, back in 2014 - the mosque and minaret combo was for some reason not quite properly islamic enough for the more lunatic fanatic fundamentalists. Probably because there are decorations - that would be "frivolous" and as such to be avoided.

**Grey Templar**

Spetulhu wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
If true there now destroyed own religious site. Well done guys...

I suspect its a case of "If we can't have it, no-one can!". They know they're losing and are going lose control over Mosul, so they're using a scorched earth tactic.

IIRC they were going to blow it up once already, back in 2014 - the mosque and minaret combo was for some reason not quite properly islamic enough for the more lunatic fanatic fundamentalists. Probably because there are decorations - that would be "frivolous" and as such to be avoided.

Odd. I think I have yet to see a single Mosque where there weren't any decorations. There's always at least those swirly patterns.

**feeder**

Grey Templar wrote:
Spetulhu wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
If true there now destroyed own religious site. Well done guys...

I suspect its a case of "If we can't have it, no-one can!". They know they're losing and are going lose control over Mosul, so they're using a scorched earth tactic.

IIRC they were going to blow it up once already, back in 2014 - the mosque and minaret combo was for some reason not quite properly islamic enough for the more lunatic fanatic fundamentalists. Probably because there are decorations - that would be "frivolous" and as such to be avoided.

Odd. I think I have yet to see a single Mosque where there weren't any decorations. There's always at least those swirly patterns.

This is a good indicator that ISIS is not representative of mainstream Islam in any way.

**Frazzled**

However they get a good bit of support, or did.

**BaronIveagh**

Welp, it's official, ISIS has infiltrated Dakka, and are listening to yours truly.

http://gizmodo.com/this-is-what-an-isis-drone-workshop-looks-like-1796509404

**Ahtman**

Apparently guys who went off and joined ISIS and then came back to Europe are sad that they are having trouble finding work. Poor guys.

ISIS fighters fleeing the Middle East and returning to Europe to seek new job opportunities are struggling to find jobs, the Swedish daily newspaper Expressen reported.

The newspaper interviewed several of the 150 ISIS members returning to Sweden from the Middle East and asked them how hard it was to find jobs.

“I just want to forget everything,” 27-year-old Walad Yousef told the Expressen. “I apply for a lot of jobs, but I can’t get any because my pictures are out there.”

According to the newspaper, Yousef sent pictures of himself at a training camp to friends back in Sweden. In one of the pictures, Yousef is posing with a Kalashnikov rifle.

One of the returning ISIS members refused to do an interview with the newspaper, and said that he has “enough problems” finding a job.

Others said that they left for Syria to help civilians, despite leaked records obtained by the Expressen that said they went to the Middle East to join ISIS.

One former ISIS member denied being a part of ISIS, and said that the newspaper was in contact with the wrong person.

“That’s very strange. Anyone can say they’re me,” Hassan Al-Mandlawi said. “I mean, it’s war. Maybe someone recommended me, I don’t know.”

Sweden is one of the many European countries struggling to deal with terror attacks. Many of their citizens have left the country to join ISIS.

“The vast majority do not do anything, but they are still a danger to the authorities and it must be managed,” terror researcher Magnus Ranstorp told the Expressen. “It is important for the police to be able to prioritize this area so that they do not become dangerous for society.”

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Ahtman wrote:
Apparently guys who went off and joined ISIS and then came back to Europe are sad that they are having trouble finding work. Poor guys.

ISIS fighters fleeing the Middle East and returning to Europe to seek new job opportunities are struggling to find jobs, the Swedish daily newspaper Expressen reported.

The newspaper interviewed several of the 150 ISIS members returning to Sweden from the Middle East and asked them how hard it was to find jobs.

“I just want to forget everything,” 27-year-old Walad Yousef told the Expressen. “I apply for a lot of jobs, but I can’t get any because my pictures are out there.”

According to the newspaper, Yousef sent pictures of himself at a training camp to friends back in Sweden. In one of the pictures, Yousef is posing with a Kalashnikov rifle.

One of the returning ISIS members refused to do an interview with the newspaper, and said that he has “enough problems” finding a job.

Others said that they left for Syria to help civilians, despite leaked records obtained by the Expressen that said they went to the Middle East to join ISIS.

One former ISIS member denied being a part of ISIS, and said that the newspaper was in contact with the wrong person.

“That’s very strange. Anyone can say they’re me,” Hassan Al-Mandlawi said. “I mean, it’s war. Maybe someone recommended me, I don’t know.”

Sweden is one of the many European countries struggling to deal with terror attacks. Many of their citizens have left the country to join ISIS.

“The vast majority do not do anything, but they are still a danger to the authorities and it must be managed,” terror researcher Magnus Ranstorp told the Expressen. “It is important for the police to be able to prioritize this area so that they do not become dangerous for society.”

What I'd like to know is ...why were they not shot on arrival in Europe?

**AlmightyWalrus**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Apparently guys who went off and joined ISIS and then came back to Europe are sad that they are having trouble finding work. Poor guys.

ISIS fighters fleeing the Middle East and returning to Europe to seek new job opportunities are struggling to find jobs, the Swedish daily newspaper Expressen reported.

The newspaper interviewed several of the 150 ISIS members returning to Sweden from the Middle East and asked them how hard it was to find jobs.

“I just want to forget everything,” 27-year-old Walad Yousef told the Expressen. “I apply for a lot of jobs, but I can’t get any because my pictures are out there.”

According to the newspaper, Yousef sent pictures of himself at a training camp to friends back in Sweden. In one of the pictures, Yousef is posing with a Kalashnikov rifle.

One of the returning ISIS members refused to do an interview with the newspaper, and said that he has “enough problems” finding a job.

Others said that they left for Syria to help civilians, despite leaked records obtained by the Expressen that said they went to the Middle East to join ISIS.

One former ISIS member denied being a part of ISIS, and said that the newspaper was in contact with the wrong person.

“That’s very strange. Anyone can say they’re me,” Hassan Al-Mandlawi said. “I mean, it’s war. Maybe someone recommended me, I don’t know.”

Sweden is one of the many European countries struggling to deal with terror attacks. Many of their citizens have left the country to join ISIS.

“The vast majority do not do anything, but they are still a danger to the authorities and it must be managed,” terror researcher Magnus Ranstorp told the Expressen. “It is important for the police to be able to prioritize this area so that they do not become dangerous for society.”

What I'd like to know is ...why were they not shot on arrival in Europe?

Because we still have this little thing called due process and the rule of law?

**Future War Cultist**

Aw I'm sick to my stomach of this. How the hell did they get back in, and having got back in, why are they now being allowed to wonder around at their own free will?

**AlmightyWalrus**

Also, "Sweden is one of the many European countries struggling to deal with terror attacks"? We've had one loony who blew himself up in 2010 and another a month ago who drove a lorry into a crowd. That's two islamic terrorist attacks in almost a decade. How is that "struggling"?

**jhe90**

Future War Cultist wrote:
Aw I'm sick to my stomach of this. How the hell did they get back in, and having got back in, why are they now being allowed to wonder around at their own free will?

God no. you killed, you did hell knows what out there and fought for a bunch of savage barbarians who committed war crimes and used child soldiers, raped, tortured, enslaved and worse.
Even Alquida would not have anything to do with em and called them on killing aid workers!

let the iraq, Syria have em. you did this in there nations, to there people as terrorists, part of a reconised terror group.
Law is the law. you did great harm to those nations and they have every right to hold you to account for your actions.

Far as i think, the momment they joined that group they ceased any right to return home.
you knew exactly what you joined, you saw the media and the news.

there is no i i did not know what they where like.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
Apparently guys who went off and joined ISIS and then came back to Europe are sad that they are having trouble finding work. Poor guys.

ISIS fighters fleeing the Middle East and returning to Europe to seek new job opportunities are struggling to find jobs, the Swedish daily newspaper Expressen reported.

The newspaper interviewed several of the 150 ISIS members returning to Sweden from the Middle East and asked them how hard it was to find jobs.

“I just want to forget everything,” 27-year-old Walad Yousef told the Expressen. “I apply for a lot of jobs, but I can’t get any because my pictures are out there.”

According to the newspaper, Yousef sent pictures of himself at a training camp to friends back in Sweden. In one of the pictures, Yousef is posing with a Kalashnikov rifle.

One of the returning ISIS members refused to do an interview with the newspaper, and said that he has “enough problems” finding a job.

Others said that they left for Syria to help civilians, despite leaked records obtained by the Expressen that said they went to the Middle East to join ISIS.

One former ISIS member denied being a part of ISIS, and said that the newspaper was in contact with the wrong person.

“That’s very strange. Anyone can say they’re me,” Hassan Al-Mandlawi said. “I mean, it’s war. Maybe someone recommended me, I don’t know.”

Sweden is one of the many European countries struggling to deal with terror attacks. Many of their citizens have left the country to join ISIS.

“The vast majority do not do anything, but they are still a danger to the authorities and it must be managed,” terror researcher Magnus Ranstorp told the Expressen. “It is important for the police to be able to prioritize this area so that they do not become dangerous for society.”

What I'd like to know is ...why were they not shot on arrival in Europe?

Because we still have this little thing called due process and the rule of law?

Well of course. I guess I should have signposted my hyperbole better.

**Future War Cultist**

Absolutely right. Not one of them can be allowed to get away with it.

**A Town Called Malus**

Future War Cultist wrote:
Aw I'm sick to my stomach of this. How the hell did they get back in, and having got back in, why are they now being allowed to wonder around at their own free will?

Because they have been identified by the security forces, evaluated and found to pose no threat?

Actually look at what is said in that article. Nowhere does it state that any of these people took part in actual combat. One was photographed with an AK in a training camp and the rest we have no information on. It is entirely possible they went, were being trained for a bit and realised it was all a load of gak and then legged it out of there.

**jhe90**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Future War Cultist wrote:
Aw I'm sick to my stomach of this. How the hell did they get back in, and having got back in, why are they now being allowed to wonder around at their own free will?

Because they have been identified by the security forces, evaluated and found to pose no threat?

and they did what in Syria or Iraq?

theres crimes to be answered. tell that to the people they killed, raped, buried in mass graves and such.
Im sure the Kurds or the Yazidi would agree with you they are safe and able to enjoy there lives again.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Future War Cultist wrote:
Aw I'm sick to my stomach of this. How the hell did they get back in, and having got back in, why are they now being allowed to wonder around at their own free will?

Because they have been identified by the security forces, evaluated and found to pose no threat?

Members of ISIS pose no threat?

Yeah sure, and the Pope ain't fething Catholic.

I seriously doubt our Security Forces have been able to identify let alone surveil and evaluate all the former members of ISIS returning to Europe. A lot of them will be sneaking back into Europe under false aliases, and taking advantage of European freedom of movement to avoid identity checks (i.e. national border controls).

**Future War Cultist**

@ ATCM

I'm wondering if they even know they're back? And let's hope they don't do anything whilst 'under surveillance', like too many have done before.

**jhe90**

Future War Cultist wrote:
@ ATCM

I'm wondering if they even know they're back? And let's hope they don't do anything whilst 'under surveillance', like too many have done before.

Why do we want them back,.
you showed you joined a group the total athema to western values, freedom and civilization who destroyed history, lives and attempted genocide or close to it.
you joined monsters, you joined Barbarians hell bent on conquest and dragging the world backwards into blood and oppression.

why should we ever trust you again?

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Extradite them to Iraq.

**Future War Cultist**

@ jhe90

I'm completely with you on that. At the very least, deport them back to Syria or Iraq to face their victims.

**Grey Templar**

Arrest them and put them on trial for crimes against humanity. There were Nazis who got the noose because they filed paperwork involved with the Holocaust. These guys surely did even worse things.

**AlmightyWalrus**

That runs into the issue of proving that they've actually done something that falls under crimes against humanity. The Nazis documented everything meticulously, ISIS probably doesn't.