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Can 6 psykers in an Inquisitorial Chimera fire Psychic Barrage? The rules for the power says "Only one Psychic Barrage is 'fired'" while the Chimera mentions "Five models can fire..." (emphasis mine). In other words, regardless of the number of psykers in the chimera, does it still only use up one of these allowed firing "models"?

Thanks!

Yes, much like outside of a Chimera you are only making a single Psychic Shooting Attack, they are treated as one psyker for the purpose of psychic tests etc. and you measure range and line of sight to a single psyker in the unit, meaning no matter how many contribute to the Psychic Barrage, it will only occupy a single firing port to utilize it.

Drunkspleen wrote:Yes, much like outside of a Chimera you are only making a single Psychic Shooting Attack, they are treated as one psyker for the purpose of psychic tests etc. and you measure range and line of sight to a single psyker in the unit, meaning no matter how many contribute to the Psychic Barrage, it will only occupy a single firing port to utilize it.

This.
Which means that you can in fact have 6 Psykers firing their barrage, 3 servitors firing plasma cannons, and a Jokaero firing a Lascannon, all out of a single Chimera.
As long as the chimera doesnt move anyway.

Niiru wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:Yes, much like outside of a Chimera you are only making a single Psychic Shooting Attack, they are treated as one psyker for the purpose of psychic tests etc. and you measure range and line of sight to a single psyker in the unit, meaning no matter how many contribute to the Psychic Barrage, it will only occupy a single firing port to utilize it.

This.
Which means that you can in fact have 6 Psykers firing their barrage, 3 servitors firing plasma cannons, and a Jokaero firing a Lascannon, all out of a single Chimera.
As long as the chimera doesnt move anyway.

Firing point = one weapon for movement purposes so you can move 6" and still shoot everything out the hatch.

Niiru wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:Yes, much like outside of a Chimera you are only making a single Psychic Shooting Attack, they are treated as one psyker for the purpose of psychic tests etc. and you measure range and line of sight to a single psyker in the unit, meaning no matter how many contribute to the Psychic Barrage, it will only occupy a single firing port to utilize it.

This.
Which means that you can in fact have 6 Psykers firing their barrage, 3 servitors firing plasma cannons, and a Jokaero firing a Lascannon, all out of a single Chimera.
As long as the chimera doesnt move anyway.

...Any anyone worth their salt will be grinning like a wolf at you putting all those juicy points in one light armoured transport and not moving it. Pop it with a las/lance/melta weapon from one squad and drop a blast on it from another.

If my army gets first turn, I'm popping that with deffkoptas then killing the contents with lootas.

Joey wrote:

Niiru wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:Yes, much like outside of a Chimera you are only making a single Psychic Shooting Attack, they are treated as one psyker for the purpose of psychic tests etc. and you measure range and line of sight to a single psyker in the unit, meaning no matter how many contribute to the Psychic Barrage, it will only occupy a single firing port to utilize it.

This.
Which means that you can in fact have 6 Psykers firing their barrage, 3 servitors firing plasma cannons, and a Jokaero firing a Lascannon, all out of a single Chimera.
As long as the chimera doesnt move anyway.

Firing point = one weapon for movement purposes so you can move 6" and still shoot everything out the hatch.

No, a vehicle can fire all it wants without affecting the unit firing out of the firing point.
But most/all of those weapons are Heavy so can't fire if the vehicle moves.

Joey wrote:

Niiru wrote:

Drunkspleen wrote:Yes, much like outside of a Chimera you are only making a single Psychic Shooting Attack, they are treated as one psyker for the purpose of psychic tests etc. and you measure range and line of sight to a single psyker in the unit, meaning no matter how many contribute to the Psychic Barrage, it will only occupy a single firing port to utilize it.

This.
Which means that you can in fact have 6 Psykers firing their barrage, 3 servitors firing plasma cannons, and a Jokaero firing a Lascannon, all out of a single Chimera.
As long as the chimera doesnt move anyway.

Firing point = one weapon for movement purposes so you can move 6" and still shoot everything out the hatch.

I think he was referring to the fact that the lascannon and plasma cannons were heavy weapons

Joey wrote:Firing point = one weapon for movement purposes so you can move 6" and still shoot everything out the hatch.

Actually Firing Point = 0 weapons for movement purposes, the number of weapons the vehicle is allowed to fire has no effect on firing from a firing point, and vice versa, firing from inside a vehicle is totally separate and only has it's own limitation of not being able to do so at cruising speed.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Niiru wrote:
This.
Which means that you can in fact have 6 Psykers firing their barrage, 3 servitors firing plasma cannons, and a Jokaero firing a Lascannon, all out of a single Chimera.
As long as the chimera doesnt move anyway.

...Any anyone worth their salt will be grinning like a wolf at you putting all those juicy points in one light armoured transport and not moving it. Pop it with a las/lance/melta weapon from one squad and drop a blast on it from another.

If my army gets first turn, I'm popping that with deffkoptas then killing the contents with lootas.

I was just using it as an example, I could just as easily have said 4x acolytes with boltguns but thats not as interesting lol.
Although, my unit idea only comes up to... 210 points total, including the chimera. And those deffkoptas and lootas would have to survive a 36" range, S8 AP1 blast template Assault weapon, as well as 3/4 plasma cannon shots. Not too shabby really, though I dont know the points costs of deffkoptas/lootas offhand.

Although personally I'd probably run the Psykers with acolytes+plasma guns. Keep it moving, and lots of blasty goodness. Cheaper too. Although the Jokaero adding 12" to the plasma gun range, or making the plasmas rending.... could be a nasty little unit, for... 157 points including the transport? 192 if you include a jokaero..

Although back to the main topic, if you are planning to run JUST a squad of 6 Psykers, you might as well just use a Rhino. saves 15 points, has the ability to recover from immobile results, and you can still shoot out of it. 100 Points total for an 11/11/10 tank, with a 36" range S8 AP1 Assault Blast weapon on board. Could be amusing, at the very least!

jms40k wrote:

I think he was referring to the fact that the lascannon and plasma cannons were heavy weapons

And yes, I was the one drawback of jokaeros is that all their weapon options are heavy. Pity really.

Niiru wrote:
Although back to the main topic, if you are planning to run JUST a squad of 6 Psykers, you might as well just use a Rhino. saves 15 points, has the ability to recover from immobile results, and you can still shoot out of it. 100 Points total for an 11/11/10 tank, with a 36" range S8 AP1 Assault Blast weapon on board. Could be amusing, at the very least!

I'm thinking of running closer to your original thoughts actually... 2x servitor, 2x jokaero, 7x psyker and an inquisitor in a chimera

Niiru wrote:And yes, I was the one drawback of jokaeros is that all their weapon options are heavy. Pity really.

The Heavy Flamer, despite it's name, is an assault weapon, so you can drive a chimera 6" and fire 5 of them out of it, kind of funny considering at ST 5 they are a primary weapon and thus, that same chimera that moved can't fire two of them at once if it takes two of them.

jms40k wrote:

Niiru wrote:
Although back to the main topic, if you are planning to run JUST a squad of 6 Psykers, you might as well just use a Rhino. saves 15 points, has the ability to recover from immobile results, and you can still shoot out of it. 100 Points total for an 11/11/10 tank, with a 36" range S8 AP1 Assault Blast weapon on board. Could be amusing, at the very least!

I'm thinking of running closer to your original thoughts actually... 2x servitor, 2x jokaero, 7x psyker and an inquisitor in a chimera

I have considered a squad like this, it does have potential. My problem with it was only that it is stuck with being stationary, or you "waste" the heavy weapon shots. But sometimes you dont need to move the chimera, especially depending on what else is in your list. It is a nasty little squad no matter what really, even if you move you still have a....S9 AP1 small blast template? Which is nothing to be sneezed at.

I like the Psykers lol.

Niiru wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Niiru wrote:
This.
Which means that you can in fact have 6 Psykers firing their barrage, 3 servitors firing plasma cannons, and a Jokaero firing a Lascannon, all out of a single Chimera.
As long as the chimera doesnt move anyway.

...Any anyone worth their salt will be grinning like a wolf at you putting all those juicy points in one light armoured transport and not moving it. Pop it with a las/lance/melta weapon from one squad and drop a blast on it from another.

If my army gets first turn, I'm popping that with deffkoptas then killing the contents with lootas.

I was just using it as an example, I could just as easily have said 4x acolytes with boltguns but thats not as interesting lol.
Although, my unit idea only comes up to... 210 points total, including the chimera. And those deffkoptas and lootas would have to survive a 36" range, S8 AP1 blast template Assault weapon, as well as 3/4 plasma cannon shots. Not too shabby really, though I dont know the points costs of deffkoptas/lootas offhand.

2 x 5 lootas = 75pts each that's 10-30 Str7 at 48", 2x deffkoptas with buzzsaw (pk) and rokkits = 75pts each. Turboboosting in scout 24", then moving 12" shooting t/l rokkits Stg8 and then charging, autohitting with Stg 7. That, all in, is 300 and I think I'd take that chimera and it's contents out with half of it. Plus even without first turn, I am out of your range and you are in mine.

Is this the place for army comparisons and unit evaluations? Thought it was for rules questions.

You're both pretty, and both of your armies kick ass.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
2 x 5 lootas = 75pts each that's 10-30 Str7 at 48", 2x deffkoptas with buzzsaw (pk) and rokkits = 75pts each. Turboboosting in scout 24", then moving 12" shooting t/l rokkits Stg8 and then charging, autohitting with Stg 7. That, all in, is 300 and I think I'd take that chimera and it's contents out with half of it. Plus even without first turn, I am out of your range and you are in mine.

10 lootas gives you up to 30 Str7 shots at 48" range? Thats like... 30 plasmacannons, except with longer range!
I hadnt noticed that in the Ork codex before... That kind of firepower would destroy anything the Grey Knight codex can field lol.

In fact the only thing that I can think of that could survive that is a landraider. And I dont field landraiders.
This is certainly a disappointing thing for me to find out about, as it completely makes my entire army redundant lol.

Damn.

Edit: Just read the Lootas entry in the Ork codex. Those things are pretty good, even on a D1 roll they can pump out a lot of shots, though I guess BS2 hurts them a bit. Has just made me yet again want to start an Ork army, if only I had the space and time for all that painting of greenskins! Has made me try and think of how I would counter them though even if I dont play any Ork players atm

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Mannahnin wrote:Is this the place for army comparisons and unit evaluations? Thought it was for rules questions.

You're both pretty, and both of your armies kick ass.

Oh yeh and sorry, totally went off topic with this lol. At least I managed to answer the original question before I went off on a tangent lol

My bad!

Mannahnin wrote:Is this the place for army comparisons and unit evaluations? Thought it was for rules questions.

You're both pretty, and both of your armies kick ass.

I know Niiru from back in the mother country, I'm far prettier!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Is this the place for army comparisons and unit evaluations? Thought it was for rules questions.

You're both pretty, and both of your armies kick ass.

I know Niiru from back in the mother country, I'm far prettier!

Outrageous lies! Heretic!

I did wonder...