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Hi all. I'm new here so I though I'd post my new necron list and see if you guys have suggestions:

HQ
Overlord (Ressurection Orb, Tesseract Labyrinth) 140

Royal Court
Lord (Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs) 60
Lord (Warscythe, Sempiternal Weave) 60

Troops
10 Warriors 130
10 Warriors 130
10 Warriors 130
5 Immortals (Tesla Carbines) 85

Elites
Triarch Stalker (Heat Ray) 150
10 Flayed Ones 130

Heavy Support
Annihilation Barge 90
Monolith 200

Fast Attack
3 Destroyers, 1 Heavy Destroyer (180)

1505 total

Also painted are 1 (old) tomb spider, numerous scarab swarms, 10 pariahs (could be lychguard) and a Ctan Nightbringer
Unpainted are 5 Warriors and an old Tomb Spyder

As i said earlier, i'm open for tips. Also selling the Spyders if anyone wants. PM me.

Hi Snorri,

I'll list a couple of combinations which I have found effective and hopefully this will help you with your list. I'll only focus on things you have models for, however I suggest you consider getting another CCB/Anni barge because they are awesome value.

Overlord. Generally you see standard overlords on a CCB, with Warscythe, MSS, SW or PS depending on preference. I use PS because I'd like the invul save, but some people consider it too expensive). However, given the number of warriors you may want to make your overlord more "shooty", so give him phaeron to make the warriors relentless.

Generally, most lists don't include the labyrinth, although some will take the Arrow (particularly as you have a stalker)

However, there are a number of named characters which may work well in your list, particularly as you have flayed ones. Suggest you have a look to see what appeals to you.

Lords normally have res orbs in foot lists - stick one with warrior squads for the 4+reanimation. Any Lord or Overlord who you expect to be in CC (ie, anyone with a warscythe) should imo have mindshackle scarabs, for 15 points it is a bargain.

I would suggest you beef up the immortals, particularly as if you select Anrakyr you then get them upgraded to Eternals for free. Also, you are not using the Barge as a CCB, Anrakyr's Mind in the Machine attack will be helpful.

There are many opinions (most bad), about flayed ones in the new codex - you'll need to see how they work for you in your list.

In the above I'm assuming that you are going to DS the Monolith and then suck the warriors through it.

One thing that makes any unit tougher is adding Crypteks. In particular, Harbringers of Destruction, which have eldritch lances and a solar pulse (which makes it night/day fight) and Harbringers of Despair, with a veil of darkness. There are others which are useful in certain lists as well. These are brilliant force multipliers.

They are expensive to buy, but you can make your own from Warriors then trick them up with leftover bits (anything which is suitably tech like will do) which is much cheaper. I made mine using warrior legs and chests, but with backs and bits from a leftover Praetorian box.

Thanks Mark for the great advice!

I am keen to have the AB rather than CCB, as I like shooty things. Might put the Overlord in with a (larger) squad of Warriors and teleport with the monolith.

What shall I do with the Pariahs? I have seen a few lists for necrons in the last few days that are overly shooty, and that they need a close combat edge. The Flayed ones are in the list mainly for numbers, but since they aren't that tough, and they can't capture objectives, i could sideline them for the Pariahs as Lychguard. My aim is to play in competitive games so I want something that is a bit more balanced. Do you know if independant characters are allowed in such games (i.e. Tournaments)? I like the idea of using a Tachyon Arrow along with the Stalker. For larger points games I am defiantely going to double up and get another Stalker (and the model is just awesome). Cryptek is a great idea for the Immortals too (and I might cave and get the model too).

snorri788 wrote:Might put the Overlord in with a (larger) squad of Warriors and teleport with the monolith.

NO!
Don't do that, you'll just lose Warriors (any model that can't be placed within 6 inches of the portal are lost).

Flayed Ones? ... I hate to break it to you man, but there's a reason you don't see anyone using them anymore (the new codex kinda wrecked them).

Pariahs are usually relegated to Warscythe Lychguard... though, Sword & Shield Lychguard tend to be the better choice for an elite spot (I guess you can use them as Lords?)

If you're hoping to play competitively, let me warn you right now, taking a model "because it looks cool" rarely ever translates to effective play.
If you're dead set on using Stalkers, you should probably become acquainted with the synergy they can achieve with your army and build around that.

I'm in Australia and have only just started, so haven't entered any tournaments yet so I can't answer your question re IC.

If the Overlord is going with with Warriors make sure you give him Phaeron to make them relentless.

Generally I use lychguard as a squad with hyper phase swords and dispersion shields. To this you add some combination of CC types - either lords or IC with war scythes, MSS, weave etc. For mobility, you then add a Despairtek with Veil of Darkness (better still - add Obyron!).

I drop this in the opponent backfield and then attack stuff!! The unit can take on most things, but be careful of too many power weapons. Good thing about Obyron is that he has a Ghostwalk mantle that can teleport out of CC if it looks too bad.

Often I will drop them in at the same time as I drop in death marks - If you are interested, check out the FunCrons army list I posted on Dakka.

Re Crypteks I really suggest you try making your own as the GW fine cast models are really expensive. I converted 5 of them, but may have to make some more!

skoffs wrote:If you're hoping to play competitively, let me warn you right now, taking a model "because it looks cool" rarely ever translates to effective play.

Yeah, I want to build around the targeting array for making sure things like Tachyon Arrow don't miss. The fact that the model is cool is a plus.

Since warscythe Lychguard aren't as good as Hyperpahse Sword + Shield Lychguard, what should I replace my flayed ones with? Perhaps some swarms?

Depends: what is your army currently short on?
if anti-tank, then yes, Scarabs (6+).
if combat, then Wraiths (5+).
if you need objective holders, then Immortals (6+).

Wraiths sound perfect. Only problem is that I don't have the models! then you say (5+) are you meaning the number I should take? Would that fit with the points that I gain by removing the flayed ones?

Yes, the "5+" thing is kind of the accepted minimum number of models per unit to keep them viable (any less is pretty much just a waste, as they won't last long, let alone be able to take anything on).
... however, you've only got 130 point of Flayed Ones... and Wraiths are 35 points each (and that's not including their necessary wargear upgrades, too).
If you're going to take them, you might need to trim some other parts of the list.

However, taking another look at your list, it's going to need a LOT of work to make it viable (you've got a lot of choices that just don't make any sense. there seems to be zero cohesion or synergy... did you have any tactics in mind for your army when you started, or did you just throw together the models you had?)

Yeah, I kind of did that. There is Some synergy with the things that I have but not a great amount.

What would you suggest I do with the models that I have. Not keen on spending that much more to get it all to work. Mainly because of money! I like the wraiths idea though, will get myself some of those! I might also go on the trading forum and swap some of the models that I have for stuff that I need.

Hi Snorri,

If you are working within the models you have I think you have a couple of choices. However, it depends on how you want to play.

Firstly, is a foot based list with blocks of warriors for anti infantry using a scarab swarm and your spyders for anti tank. In this case I'd be thinking Zahndrek/Obyron combo (maybe use a Pariah as a "counts as" for one of them as you have only listed one overlord model. Obviously, you would have a CCB!!

Secondly a more mech list, including the destroyers, the stalker (although traditional wisdom is to have 2), maybe still have the scarab swarms + spyders, with smaller foot squads to hold objectives. You could probably put the monolith in this list.

Perhaps have a look at some of the mech lists vs foot lists to see what appeals?

I'd probably play mech. If I did, how small should I make the units of Warriors? Should I stil put the Overlord on the CCB? From what I have seen from other list almost all barges are included as CCBs.

Well, CCB work for Mech lists and I'd always have an overlord in the CCB.

Mech would mean you need more anni barges, ghost arks/scythes etc. There are some nasty mech lists in the forum, check those out.

Re warriors, put 5 with a lancetek in a ghost ark. Gunboat anybody?

What's best for a footslog list then? Warriors plus spyders and swarms, and squad of pariahs as lychguard? Maybe use up the rest of my points on the stalker and monolith to use as anti armour/distraction tactic?

I'm currently playing around with a couple of options for footslog. Atm, a big block of warriors with a ghost ark in support, Phaeron orb lord (Imotekh, Zandrekh or a Phaeron overlord) supported by a couple of smaller MSU style warrior groups is working pretty well. It is really hard to kill the blob! AT provided by Lanceteks, some scarabs. Might be interesting to work a couple of stalkers into this build....hmmmm.

I'm definately going to incorporate a cryptek or two in my army. Might even convert my old metal lords and count them as crypteks instead of buying 2 £9 finecast blobs. Overpriced or what!?!?

Ummm, in OZ the list price for a single cryptek is like A$25....thats 15 pounds.

That's why I made my own and got some lychguard and more scarabs in the process!

I might post a picture of my converted crypteks in my gallery later - they aren't fantastic (cos these were the first conversions I tried), but they work for me! And for A$80 I got 5 crypteks, 5 S&B lychguard, 7 warriors and 3 scarabs.

Ummm, in OZ the list price for a single cryptek is like A$25....thats 15 pounds.

Yikes, and I thought rip-off Britain was bad! Back when I started something like a cryptek would be no more than £6!!

Are 5 man squads worth it for mech/foot lists? I'm just worried that they are easily snuffed with missiles or other large blast weapons, and spread too thinly to be helped with a ressurection orb.

I reckon 5 man squads (maybe with a LanceTek) are worth it in a mech list. You can put them into ghost arks to increase their survivability.

If you are worried about them getting taken out with blast weapons - kill them first!

If you are interested, I put pictures of my converted crypteks etc on my profile page.

Nice Crypteks. Really good use of spare parts! I might buy a box of Lychguard and do the same thing

Should you have a cryptek in each squad? How many squads is a good idea? Just enough to get through the force organisation or some more on the side to capture objectives?

snorri788 wrote:Nice Crypteks. Really good use of spare parts! I might buy a box of Lychguard and do the same thing

Thanks You get Lychguard with swords and boards as well!

snorri788 wrote:Should you have a cryptek in each squad? How many squads is a good idea? Just enough to get through the force organisation or some more on the side to capture objectives?

Well, generally I have at least 2 warrior squads with 2 lanceteks (if I have 2 courts), or 3 squads with 1 lancetek to act as AT. They also make good objective sitters. However, it really depends on the list and what you have fun playing. I like to mix the lists up a bit. I posted a couple of lists (FunCron) in this forum, including a scoring lychguard list!! I'm not sure they are hugely competitive, but they are certainly fun to play!

My advice is to try them out, including different crypteks. From dakka I got the idea for StormTeks with Eternals. That's a fun combination too!

So many options, so little time!

MarkCron wrote:So many options, so little time!

One of the many things that I love about this Codex is that there are so many customisation options in there, something that I thought was severly lacking from the 3rd ed codex (and why I became a Marines player for a while). The army lists are getting better and better, and more awesome stuff is getting added all the time. I like to imagine that the increase of units through the codices over the years is like the imperials noting more and more varied units as more tomb worlds awake (mroe codices released). Does that make sense?

I think that if I expand my list to 2-3000 points might take 2 royal courts to allow for lots of crypteks and keep 1 court lancers, and the other court a mix just for fun. Flank them and throw loads of powers/weapons at them and see what sticks.

Yep. I'm with you. Best thing about it is that when you find the new combo .

Course that is also what the opponent looks like!!

Looks like a re-write is required then! Will scribble down a new list taking into account everyone's opinions and reccomendations and see what it's like.