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I'm well aware that he's looking at something we're not.

But it still doesn't make sense for them to count a battalion as a new plastic box--even if they could make a nice new battalion using some of the new stuff.

Especially if most of the new stuff is Special/Rare choices.

Kroothawk wrote:
BTW they are shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis: Just have a look at the last Dark Elf release or the Skaven Night Runners, to point out two extreme examples.

Wait - what do you mean here?

Kanluwen wrote:and if they missed the opportunity to release updated basic infantry they're shooting themselves in the foot.

Alpharius wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
BTW they are shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis: Just have a look at the last Dark Elf release or the Skaven Night Runners, to point out two extreme examples.

Wait - what do you mean here?

They missed the opportunity to update the Dark Elf Warriors (and Dark Riders), who look gross next to the new Corsairs or Knights.
They missed the opportunity to update the Night Runners, who look gross next to the new Clan Rats and Storm vermin.
Now they seem to miss the opportunity to update the Spearmen and Bowmen.

Chibi wrote that Kroothawk wrote what I was thinking but refrain from doing even in jest

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Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:and if they missed the opportunity to release updated basic infantry they're shooting themselves in the foot.

Alpharius wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
BTW they are shooting themselves in the foot on a regular basis: Just have a look at the last Dark Elf release or the Skaven Night Runners, to point out two extreme examples.

Wait - what do you mean here?

They missed the opportunity to update the Dark Elf Warriors (and Dark Riders), who look gross next to the new Corsairs or Knights.
They missed the opportunity to update the Night Runners, who look gross next to the new Clan Rats and Storm vermin.
Now they seem to miss the opportunity to update the Spearmen and Bowmen.

Ah - now I get ya!

And, I do agree with you!

The Gorilla Handed Spear Wielders of Doom really had to go.

I loved the older plastic Spearmen and Archers, in all their static mono-pose glory!

But that was many, many editions ago!

The difference is that with Dark Elves--Corsairs can easily be used to convert up Warriors. Some weapon swaps, gap filling, etc--and you've got easy as pie Warriors--with Sea Dragon Cloaks to boot! Dark Riders are much the same, considering pretty much every official thing we see from GW involving the Dark Riders has them converted from the Wood Elf Glade Riders

There's no kit option that can even remotely be used to do that for High Elves, barring buying hundreds of crew figures from Chariots+Bolt Throwers and then scratchbuilding the Reavers.

The four plastic boxes are;

Phoenix Guard, White Lions, Dragon Princes and a Reinforcement Battalion with all the new goodies in.

Kroothawk wrote:

GodlessM wrote:I was told that the High Elf Reinforcements box is the 4th kit, containing the new plastics and a bit of old stuff I think.(...)

So it is White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes and a new batallion as the 4 new plastic boxes plus some metal characters.

Bloodthirster wrote:The four plastic boxes are;
Phoenix Guard, White Lions, Dragon Princes and a Reinforcement Battalion with all the new goodies in.

Erm ... yes

Except we've still not seen any confirmation, outside of someone saying Phoenix Guard are done.

So take it with a huge grain of salt.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

GodlessM wrote:I was told that the High Elf Reinforcements box is the 4th kit, containing the new plastics and a bit of old stuff I think.(...)

So it is White Lions, Phoenix Guard, Dragon Princes and a new batallion as the 4 new plastic boxes plus some metal characters.

Bloodthirster wrote:The four plastic boxes are;
Phoenix Guard, White Lions, Dragon Princes and a Reinforcement Battalion with all the new goodies in.

Erm ... yes

Sorry I'm half asleep, long day. Anyone else think it's funny that Skaven and HE waves have been planned almost dtraight after the starter had been released?

Oh and thanks for pointing that out Kroothawk.

new stuff is good stuff

kanelom wrote:new stuff is good stuff

I guess you haven't seen the new daemons.

kidding me i love the new juggernauts and the DP's are ok not that great but work

Meh, there all cartoony. Only the new juggs are cool.

meh we'll have to agree to disagree I sort of like the cartoon look on some of them

On the contrary, I think leaving out the archers and spearelves from an update is a smart business move. They get to 'reintroduce' people to them in a year or two (whenever their book is done), and boost sales of all the other kits.

As opposed to throwing it all out (6 boxes?), having big interest for a while, then not much interesting to draw people in for years and very little to release with a book.

It's a stupid as hell move, period.

It killed any excitement I had for High Elves too. As long as those stupid core models are at the center of it, count me out.

Kanluwen wrote:It's a stupid as hell move, period.

It killed any excitement I had for High Elves too. As long as those stupid core models are at the center of it, count me out.

Huh.

So, GW should plan their moves around... Kanluwen?!?

I have to agree though - the Spearmen and Archers should have been redone, if we talking purely aesthetic reasons...

Well, considering how everyone seems to believe I'm the epitome of the "clueless GW drone who buys everything because it's GW"...yes

Da_Mega_Grot wrote:kidding me i love the new juggernauts and the DP's are ok not that great but work

I like juggs, but not into the DPs.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Da_Mega_Grot wrote:kidding me i love the new juggernauts and the DP's are ok not that great but work

I like juggs, but not into the DPs.

QFT.
Actually come to think of is that Jugg is the only really good model hey.
Daemonettes, a little too, static? for a fast cavalry type unit, and the Daemon prince i think only effectively models a Khorne daemon.
Maybe a few dif torso/leg combos? eg plague-ish torso, Jabba-the-hutt style lower half for Nurgle, nipples and extra tongues for Slaanesh. Crazy eyes/random mutations and feather wings for Tzeentch.
Bit of a fail as far as all round kits go.

Those little flamer guys are pretty cool, but like its been said, a tad cartoonish?

Those sea guard look awesome

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Da_Mega_Grot wrote:kidding me i love the new juggernauts and the DP's are ok not that great but work

I like juggs, but not into the DPs.

I'm sure you meant to put it like that, didn't you?

Anyway, I agree!

Question, are HE actually scheduled to be released in October? Or is this all speculation?
I'm genuinely interested lol, cause I was thinking of starting a pointy eared army.

Oh and from what I can gather, the releases will be plastic Phoenix Guard, White Lions, Dragon Princes and a new battalion, is this also correct?

I am seriously going to have to get my hands on those rat ogres, if not the entire Skaven half of the set. Those rat ogres in particular would make great Nurgle Daemon Princes.

Alpharius wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:I like juggs, but not into the DPs.

I'm sure you meant to put it like that, didn't you?

Anyway, I agree!

Like what?

We're just talking about toy soldiers, right?

We're just talking about toy soldiers, right?

Don't think they are John

I am seriously going to have to get my hands on those

I think this discussion has strayed a little off topic....

So about those jugs... lol.

What's everyone got against the High Elf archers? I rather like them.

The spears though....totally agree that they could use a revamp.

Sure they were monopose, but I still prefer this:



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