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 Scrub wrote:

 Baron Butcher wrote:
What is this "PF" everyone keeps mentioning? Guessing we're not about to get Powerfists, sooo...

A new rule called 'Primal Fighter' to spice up Sauruses as an attacking force, on a roll of a 6 to hit they receive an extra attack as I understand it!

edit:- Credit for that info goes to nathan2004 on this very same page, I knew I'd read it somewhere on Dakka!

Oh.

My.

God.

 Scrub wrote:
I wonder if the "Lizardmen Amaxon River Patrol" as found http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440065a&prodId=prod2180002a on the website will be a legal list? Or is it merely a 'theme' for a collection of models?

Should be provided you make some sort of character out of those models to lead.
Still since that "bundle" saves you nothing you might as well just buy the stuff separately.

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Scrub wrote:
I wonder if the "Lizardmen Amaxon River Patrol" as found http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440065a&prodId=prod2180002a on the website will be a legal list? Or is it merely a 'theme' for a collection of models?

Still since that "bundle" saves you nothing you might as well just buy the stuff separately.

If you're going to buy it all from GW at full price anyway you might as well just click the bundle

I certainly plan to... not buy from GW direct, I'll be getting everything from discounters or ebay because, as you suggest, the saving is just too big to ignore. I doubt I'd be as interested otherwise! That's good to know on the probability of it being legal though, my one chum who adores fantasy will be pleased to hear he'll have a new opponent soon! Cheers!

I really all hinges on the points value of the Troglodon, and how much of a Core the bundle provides to balance it out as a rare which it's rumored to be.

 Aerethan wrote:


So Temple Guard dropped 2 points in cost, Slann went up 25 points.

Ermagerd, so reported for posting exact points cost! Enjoy your ban lolololol!!!!11

Interested in the rules of the new LM...will happily any nerf to the Slann, glad to see that Saurus got some lovin'. If it's a good army book, comp will see some very sudden changes. Hopefully.

 HoverBoy wrote:
I really all hinges on the points value of the Troglodon, and how much of a Core the bundle provides to balance it out as a rare which it's rumored to be.

Either way I'll be following this thread closely so that I get a better understanding of how the new models and army in general pans out, cheers for the tips so far.

But he didn't you still need the old book to get the "exact point cost".

I think it is odd that the big old army of dinosaurs is the one army that DOESN'T get any Monstrous Cavalry.

 Mattlov wrote:
I think it is odd that the big old army of dinosaurs is the one army that DOESN'T get any Monstrous Cavalry.

It's kinda soul-crushing. Was really hyped to see a group of 3 PROPER Carnosaurs charging forward, not one big ugly plastic bastardisation of one.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Are Guard better? They were a bit lackluster in the previous book imo (a pity though, because they are one of my favorite units).

Also, are razordons better, and do sallies still have the -3 to armor modifier?

Sallies don't have the -3 anymore but they did increase the str of the flame attack to 4. Templars and Razordons both saw a drop in pt cost and Razordons picked up a special rule but i can't remember what it is. I've drank since then lol.

 Baron Butcher wrote:

 Mattlov wrote:
I think it is odd that the big old army of dinosaurs is the one army that DOESN'T get any Monstrous Cavalry.

It's kinda soul-crushing. Was really hyped to see a group of 3 PROPER Carnosaurs charging forward, not one big ugly plastic bastardisation of one.

We had one before (terradons) and now have a second (sillynamedactils).

I was just talking about the Lizzies with my buddy, and we decided that GW really missed a huge opportunity in a plastic Kroxigor Monstrous Infantry kit.

Would have really played up the Lizard's ability to do a mixed unit. Would have been a prime kit to get the plastic treatment.

Dropped ball there, me thinks.

 cincydooley wrote:
I was just talking about the Lizzies with my buddy, and we decided that GW really missed a huge opportunity in a plastic Kroxigor Monstrous Infantry kit.

Would have really played up the Lizard's ability to do a mixed unit. Would have been a prime kit to get the plastic treatment.

Dropped ball there, me thinks.

Damn...That's a good idea.

 Scrub wrote:

 Baron Butcher wrote:
What is this "PF" everyone keeps mentioning? Guessing we're not about to get Powerfists, sooo...

A new rule called 'Primal Fighter' to spice up Sauruses as an attacking force, on a roll of a 6 to hit they receive an extra attack as I understand it!

edit:- Credit for that info goes to nathan2004 on this very same page, I knew I'd read it somewhere on Dakka!

Yep. It's like a weaker version of tesla

I can't believe it but... I'm tempted to start a Lizard Man army!

I wonder if predatory fighter works on back rank models. Definitely should from a mechanics point of view, but depending on wording could be an issue. Certainly hope that was thought of and that the rules are clear on how it works so you don't have to split your attacks between front rank and back rank.

Horde of saurus with spears will be a nasty unit - 5 attacks per file, averaging almost an extra attack per file too (a little over 8 extra attacks for a horde getting full attacks). Then again...a horde of spear saurus will be a lot of points, and all at I1.

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Baron Butcher wrote:

 Mattlov wrote:
I think it is odd that the big old army of dinosaurs is the one army that DOESN'T get any Monstrous Cavalry.

It's kinda soul-crushing. Was really hyped to see a group of 3 PROPER Carnosaurs charging forward, not one big ugly plastic bastardisation of one.

We had one before (terradons) and now have a second (sillynamedactils).

Terradons were definitely NOT MC. Anything with a SKINK on it is not going to be a "tough" unit.

 Mattlov wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Baron Butcher wrote:

 Mattlov wrote:
I think it is odd that the big old army of dinosaurs is the one army that DOESN'T get any Monstrous Cavalry.

It's kinda soul-crushing. Was really hyped to see a group of 3 PROPER Carnosaurs charging forward, not one big ugly plastic bastardisation of one.

We had one before (terradons) and now have a second (sillynamedactils).

Terradons were definitely NOT MC. Anything with a SKINK on it is not going to be a "tough" unit.

Umm, perhaps you should check the BRB, Terradon Riders ARE MC. Unless you just mean that they were easily killed for a MC unit.

Yeah. I expect a MC unit to be tough, hit ridiculously hard, and be worth their points. Not die to a little bit of arrow fire.

The ripperdactyls have a 3+ armour according to this site (scaly skin, light armour, shield, mounted):
http://raffazza.blogspot.co.uk/

For a flying unit with a strong damage output, that's pretty good (particularly at 40 pts apparently).

 Alpharius wrote:
I can't believe it but... I'm tempted to start a Lizard Man army!

I know right

And agreed about the monstrous cavalry, and monstrous infantry possibilities that GW didn't take on... those would've been sweet. But what they did make is really good!

decker_cky wrote:
The ripperdactyls have a 3+ armour according to this site (scaly skin, light armour, shield, mounted):
http://raffazza.blogspot.co.uk/

For a flying unit with a strong damage output, that's pretty good (particularly at 40 pts apparently).

Whoa . Yeah, it is! New fancy kit being overpowered, I'm shocked

Eh, not really. 3+ isn't that powerful in WHFB as it is in 40k.

S4 and S5 makes 3+ saves a sad panda.

S4 makes 3+ saves a 4+... still pretty good! After fielding monstrous infantry with little to not save for a long time, I've been really happy to be getting ready to field bull centaurs with my chaos dwarfs and their 3+ save, and if these super-terradons are indeed 40 points with that save and obviously fly... makes them pretty scary for a lot of roles.

For example, most warmachine hunters are super fragile. 3 of those at 40 points would be 120, and much more durable... and able to go after the things that would make the big lizards very unhappy (cannons and the like). And probably take them out in one round, and then overrun off the board.

Maybe, we'll see in the coming months. It depends on how many wounds they'll have I guess. Still, that's a crazy amount of special rules they have there O_0

Maybe GW realized what a crappy model it is, so they gave it a power boost

I will still choose the terradons over the rippers; I've been meaning to get them for a while, but they were pretty expensive before (1 terra a blister, for about $20 USD iirc. You need 3 of them for a legal regiment).

My middle lad is slightly stoked for this release. We've been slowly pooling (groan) a skink heavy army for him as he likes them in particular. With the new Trog being a rare option and not a hero mount, he's going to be bouncing on Saturday as I can justify getting one for his 2000pt army that is forming up. Probably be picking up two boxes of birdies and might get a Bastidon.

Although I agree its a pity instead of the odd extra Stegadon like dino, we didn't get plastic kroxigors, Would have got him two or three boxes of those to round off his Skinks, but with them still being silly price finecast, he'll have none.

Aaprently the ark on the back of the bastiladon will add bases to existing jungle swarm squads, as well as a low strength shooting attack.

NEED ADVICE

While I do not play Fantasy I do know a little bit how too and I DO have a lizardmen army AND I am getting the collectors edition Book!

So what is going to be really good in this book? Will Lizardmen be weaker or stronger than they were before?

Do you think they will be that ultra tough, Not the best army in the world but dependable and always there for you army they were before?

Vasarto, a whole lot more of us will be able to give you well-thought out responses on that in just... oh, about a day and a half

Well LM players are freaking out over at Warseer. The primal fury rule has a downside. Units must pursue unless they are within 6" of skink character. The Slann doesn't count towards this.