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 jake wrote:
 Thargrim wrote:
 jake wrote:
The set my housemate pre-ordered arrived yesterday while I was at work. I took a look when I got home and was not impressed. I had really been looking forward to this since I actually like Armada, but the models are really poor. he plastic is sub-par, the details are super soft and mold lines are prevalent. My housemate had assembled the Imperial half of the box, so I didnt get to do that myself, but looking at the unassembled rebels it looks like the models do not have modular parts. You're stuck with the same poses in each set. The poses themselves are pretty bland as well. The models are bigger than the Imperial Assault models, but don't really look any better. They look like mediocre board game models.

I'm extremely disappointed. If you were planning on buying this game for the models I'd really recommend staying away.


Well if you're used to stuff like GW it makes these models seem more toy-like. They seem to be made of an almost pvc/abs type plastic. I haven't had issues cleaning the mold lines but they seem to vary. IMO these are definitely ahead of the IA models, but similar in detail to bolt action minis except Legion is more like an easy to build style. In a way you get what you pay for, these models are a lot cheaper than most, so is the quality. As Sorastros painting guides have shown these models can still look really good with a little bit of effort. It's been basically common knowlege that the game was going to have duplicate sculpts it's been a known thing since last year.


These models aren't just not up to GW standards, they're well below any other game I've bought in the last few years (although certainly not the worst I've ever seen). I was satisfied with the quality of the starter boxes for Beyond the Gates of Antares and Wrath of Kings, but this set is of lesser quality than both.

And while we knew that there would be duplicate sculpts, I did not expect the models to be basically monopose. I was hoping that the arms would be interchangable, or at least the heads could be turned. Sadly thats not the case. Without significant conversion you're stuck with the exact same 7 models in each set. There are no extra parts or accessories for infantry either. No way to customize the models at all.

I also don't buy into the "you get what you pay for, these models are a lot cheaper than most" argument. These models aren't really cheaper than a lot of the better options out there and I feel like $25 for 7 low quality plastic models isn't actually a great gaming deal. Or at leats not a good enough excuse for low quality.

I haven't had a chance to clean the mold lines yet, so they may not be a big issue at all. I'm assembling the rebels tonight , so I'll see what I think of them, I guess.

Right now I'm really regretting the purchase. Maybe the game play will blow me away, but as someone who mostly plays games for the models I'm hugely disappointed. And since a LOT of people here are saying that they're ONLY buying the game for the models I thought it would be a good idea to share my opinion. If you don't really care about good looking models and are okay with mediocre board game quality or are more interested in the game play than you may not have a problem with these. In which case I imagine you'll be able to pick up a lot of them on ebay for very cheap very soon.


Well 20 bucks from discount sellers, but even at 25 it's not that bad for a fully legal unit out of the box with all options. Compared to daughters of khaine, witch aelves...50-60 bucks for a battleline kit and you often run them in blobs of 20. The cost of the legion figures is more comparable to slaanesh daemons though. Well hopefully you like the gameplay, I haven't had a chance to play yet i've only managed to get a couple squads built. I won't lie the gameplay here does strike me as being more accessible than 40k at a glance. I can't get anyone I know to play 40k/AoS but this game is designed differently, less emphasis on numbers, less dice rolls etc. It's kind of refreshing to me to be able to paint very simple models that are also as iconic as a stormtrooper. As you can see with the Idoneth Deepkin, GW keeps going more and more extravagant and flashy and at a certain point it becomes too much for me...(mathlaan avatar) even if on a technical level it's pretty amazing. I kind of like that these models are chunky and sturdy and I could drop them without breaking much of a sweat. Some GW models seem too nice for gaming, I do prefer to collect them than play with em.

 
   
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Interesting how quality seems so subjective (and so subject to exaggeration) - I was looking at the display board of Legion minis set up at my not so local game store and thought they looked pretty sharp for the material they used. Definitely better than some of the Wrath of Kings minis I've gotten.

As far as a poseability, I dunno FFG is already stepping one step more towards traditional wargaming with having to assemble and paint the minis (compared to say X-wing). I'm wondering if the full GW-esque sprue of a million bits might be something they skipped to avoid alienating the less modelling savvy segment of their audience.

On the other hand GW has been moving back towards monopose with some of their stuff so who knows?

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I must say I'm surprised by how bad some of this stuff looks. The vehicles look pretty good and the infantry looks fine but the characters so far look terrible. Han Solo may be the worst yet.
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The characters are pretty meh, I mean Luke is decent but Han and Leia are underwhelming. Could be the paintjob, which certainly isn't helping. But I wonder if they have the likeness rights for the actors. I know these models are designed in cad/digital so you would think they could articulate their likeness a bit better. The snowtroopers look spot on, so do the rebel commandos, but the named characters I will admit are not so good.

 
   
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Chikout wrote:
I must say I'm surprised by how bad some of this stuff looks. The vehicles look pretty good and the infantry looks fine but the characters so far look terrible. Han Solo may be the worst yet.


At first glance I thought that was a Force Awakens era Leia.


 ScarletRose wrote:
Interesting how quality seems so subjective (and so subject to exaggeration) - I was looking at the display board of Legion minis set up at my not so local game store and thought they looked pretty sharp for the material they used. Definitely better than some of the Wrath of Kings minis I've gotten.


Did you get a chance to really look closely at them? I wouldn't say that quality is subjective, but maybe we have different standards or criteria? Also, part of the problem IS the material they use. Its not a kind of plastic that really allows for fine detail. Other companies have gotten good mileage out of it, but in my opinion Fantasy Flight hasn't here. I really think that, even if they wanted to go easy to assemble mono pose models they really should have gone to the trouble of producing higher quality models in a better material. I'm sure some people will be satisfied with these, and thats fine, but for me these models are WAY too far below my standard to want to spend time and money on.

As a side note, I own almost every Wrath of Kings model and while they aren't not the greatest quality miniatures for the most part I think they're better (and in may cases far better) than these Legion models.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

I mean, they're not resin casts or anything, but based on the videos I've seen they look equivalent to GW plastic kits from a few years ago, like around the same level as the WHF Empire infantry kits. Maybe I just don't have any standards, but that's good enough to earn my money.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, they're not resin casts or anything, but based on the videos I've seen they look equivalent to GW plastic kits from a few years ago, like around the same level as the WHF Empire infantry kits. Maybe I just don't have any standards, but that's good enough to earn my money.


Aren't those WHF Empire kits actually fairly old? I'm having trouble finding the release dates, but there's an Amazon review on one of the kits from 2010. Those Empire kits also come with a LOT more parts and are actually fairly customizable, unlike these mono-pose Star Wars models with no extra parts and zero customization. The plastic used in those Empire kits is also better quality. I don't own any of those kits, but assuming they are standard GW quality of the time I think its likely that the casting is much better quality as well, with sharper detail. So honestly I don't think that these Star Wars models look as good as a not particularly great 8+ year old GW kit.

I'm not saying that you don't have standards, and if you like these models and they meet whatever criteria you have for an acceptable purchase thats just fine. But I don't think a reasonable argument can be made that these are not mediocre and relatively low quality models compared to modern standards. Unfortunately I think we have to admit that Fantasy Flight didn't do a particularly great job with the models for this game. Which is pretty disappointing for me, since I really was looking forward to these kits. That doesn't make the game unplayable at all, but it is a big turn off for me and will keep me form making any more purchases. Based on the discussion here since the game was announced and the number of people who are apparently only interested in the models i'm guessing this will be a big disappointment for a large number of potential buyers.

But as gaming pieces they are pretty acceptable. They're super easy to assemble. I think I got the whole Rebel half done in about 30 minutes. They're not fragile and unlikely to fall apart. For board game quality models they look nice enough and have a variety of poses.

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Those Empire Kits were a step backwards in quality compared to the previous kits
Monopose with they only options being changeable weapons, more accessory but fixed on the model and not optional etc

The Militia was a better kit quality wise than the new State Troop box

But this were the time GW reduced model count in boxes, made production cheaper and increased prices so most of the kits by that time were not considered "standard" or high quality and were inferior to everything that was made for historical games by that time

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 kodos wrote:
Those Empire Kits were a step backwards in quality compared to the previous kits


You may prefer your model kits to be more modal, but that's hardly an indication of quality in line with metrics like detail sharpness, casting or material, all of which most certainly did not deteriorate from previous offerings.
   
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
 kodos wrote:
Those Empire Kits were a step backwards in quality compared to the previous kits


You may prefer your model kits to be more modal, but that's hardly an indication of quality in line with metrics like detail sharpness, casting or material, all of which most certainly did not deteriorate from previous offerings.


Thats mostly what I mean when I was talking about the quality of the Legion kits. if these are the criteria for model quality (as opposed to playablility, pose, cost or modularity) than they are notably lacking. They're also lacking in modularity, and I think they're poses aren't very good (but thats really subjective).

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 His Master's Voice wrote:

You may prefer your model kits to be more modal, but that's hardly an indication of quality in line with metrics like detail sharpness, casting or material, all of which most certainly did not deteriorate from previous offerings.

of course it is a indication of quality if you get mono pose or modular models
the same like moving part on large model kits

call it quality of design

but if you are just talking about sharpness and mold lines and how good the models fit together than yes, we got the decrease here too.
(and than new GW kits are not special either as they are not superior than anything Mantic makes in plastic if you are just talking about sharpness abd moldlines)

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 kodos wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:

You may prefer your model kits to be more modal, but that's hardly an indication of quality in line with metrics like detail sharpness, casting or material, all of which most certainly did not deteriorate from previous offerings.

of course it is a indication of quality if you get mono pose or modular models
the same like moving part on large model kits

call it quality of design

but if you are just talking about sharpness and mold lines and how good the models fit together than yes, we got the decrease here too.
(and than new GW kits are not special either as they are not superior than anything Mantic makes in plastic if you are just talking about sharpness abd moldlines)


out of curiosity, which Mantic kits do you feel are really good examples of this? I've bought a few over the years (although none in the last year) and I haven't been impressed with the quality at all. Or rather, I've found the quality notably inferior to GW kits. The quality isn't awful.

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 jake wrote:
 kodos wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:

You may prefer your model kits to be more modal, but that's hardly an indication of quality in line with metrics like detail sharpness, casting or material, all of which most certainly did not deteriorate from previous offerings.

of course it is a indication of quality if you get mono pose or modular models
the same like moving part on large model kits

call it quality of design

but if you are just talking about sharpness and mold lines and how good the models fit together than yes, we got the decrease here too.
(and than new GW kits are not special either as they are not superior than anything Mantic makes in plastic if you are just talking about sharpness abd moldlines)


out of curiosity, which Mantic kits do you feel are really good examples of this? I've bought a few over the years (although none in the last year) and I haven't been impressed with the quality at all. Or rather, I've found the quality notably inferior to GW kits. The quality isn't awful.


It all comes down to you get what you pay for, if you want diamonds buy diamonds, if you are happy with looks like diamonds buy cubic z's. The fact of the matter is yes had GW done starwars they would have been a lot better but a squad of 7 storm troopers would also be around $50 USD. So at half that for rank and file models.... I think it is a no brainer. Some people are happy paying Lexus prices for a Toyota. Others are more reasonable with their money.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, they're not resin casts or anything, but based on the videos I've seen they look equivalent to GW plastic kits from a few years ago, like around the same level as the WHF Empire infantry kits. Maybe I just don't have any standards, but that's good enough to earn my money.


If you mean Empire infantry from the 6th ed starter - maybe you`re right. Otherwise I would strongly disagree. State troops have pretty sharp detail, weapons and banners and bling is certainly well done.
I haven`t seen anythong of the like from Legion, but vehicles suffer less and look pretty decent (at least from the photos), IMHO
Straight lines help, I guess


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 kodos wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:

You may prefer your model kits to be more modal, but that's hardly an indication of quality in line with metrics like detail sharpness, casting or material, all of which most certainly did not deteriorate from previous offerings.

of course it is a indication of quality if you get mono pose or modular models
the same like moving part on large model kits

call it quality of design

but if you are just talking about sharpness and mold lines and how good the models fit together than yes, we got the decrease here too.
(and than new GW kits are not special either as they are not superior than anything Mantic makes in plastic if you are just talking about sharpness abd moldlines)


I became sceptical of your claims whence I read about Mantic making plastic kits with the same level of sharpness of detail as GW

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It all comes down to you get what you pay for, if you want diamonds buy diamonds, if you are happy with looks like diamonds buy cubic z's. The fact of the matter is yes had GW done starwars they would have been a lot better but a squad of 7 storm troopers would also be around $50 USD. So at half that for rank and file models.... I think it is a no brainer. Some people are happy paying Lexus prices for a Toyota. Others are more reasonable with their money.


Yes, you obviously get what you pay for. My argument is that Fantasy Flight could have made something better that I actually would have been excited to pay a little more for. Saying "Its not very good, but it only costs $25" isn't a really compelling argument. It's not a "no brainer" if the models are so poor that I regret buying them.

I know not everyone is going to feel that way, but I do. I want the models I invest my limited resources into to actually be good. I'm not interested in "good enough". Thats why this product has been a letdown for me.




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I looks like you either get good rules or good models at the moment
It will take a while until I can grap a Box, but if the quality is equal to X-Wing it should be good enough for gaming

but the price includes also the cards which makes the price ok for models+gaming material (not good, but ok)

jake wrote:
out of curiosity, which Mantic kits do you feel are really good examples of this? I've bought a few over the years (although none in the last year) and I haven't been impressed with the quality at all. Or rather, I've found the quality notably inferior to GW kits. The quality isn't awful.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
I became sceptical of your claims whence I read about Mantic making plastic kits with the same level of sharpness of detail as GW


My newest GW kit was the Changeling and some AoS models
For Mantic I got the Enforcer and Abyss

pure manufacturing quality they are equal, sharp details (for plastic), mould lines were less and easier to remove (without killing details) on the Mantic models.
the advantage for the Mantic models was that they are free to pose while the GW models all are monopose but looked better as single model and both did not fit perfectly (Mantic ones because of the poseable joints) and needed Green Stuff.

actually comparing older kits of them, the plastic Elves and Dwarfs from Mantic (have them here too) are also equal to kits GW from the same time period
they were just inferior/different in design and a lot of people on the web reviewed them as bad quality because they did not like the design

comparing the GW basic dwarf warriors, the Mantic ones are superior (the bad High Elves are no longer sold by GW I guess)
And Mantic wants their stuff to look good in regiments which why posable arms are more important than a dynamic single models


But there is just the opinion out there that GW is superior in model quality to everything because they are the most expensive one while they are just equal to everyone else and only superior in design (if you like it)

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 jake wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
I mean, they're not resin casts or anything, but based on the videos I've seen they look equivalent to GW plastic kits from a few years ago, like around the same level as the WHF Empire infantry kits. Maybe I just don't have any standards, but that's good enough to earn my money.


Aren't those WHF Empire kits actually fairly old? I'm having trouble finding the release dates, but there's an Amazon review on one of the kits from 2010. Those Empire kits also come with a LOT more parts and are actually fairly customizable, unlike these mono-pose Star Wars models with no extra parts and zero customization. The plastic used in those Empire kits is also better quality. I don't own any of those kits, but assuming they are standard GW quality of the time I think its likely that the casting is much better quality as well, with sharper detail. So honestly I don't think that these Star Wars models look as good as a not particularly great 8+ year old GW kit.

I'm not saying that you don't have standards, and if you like these models and they meet whatever criteria you have for an acceptable purchase thats just fine. But I don't think a reasonable argument can be made that these are not mediocre and relatively low quality models compared to modern standards. Unfortunately I think we have to admit that Fantasy Flight didn't do a particularly great job with the models for this game. Which is pretty disappointing for me, since I really was looking forward to these kits. That doesn't make the game unplayable at all, but it is a big turn off for me and will keep me form making any more purchases. Based on the discussion here since the game was announced and the number of people who are apparently only interested in the models i'm guessing this will be a big disappointment for a large number of potential buyers.

But as gaming pieces they are pretty acceptable. They're super easy to assemble. I think I got the whole Rebel half done in about 30 minutes. They're not fragile and unlikely to fall apart. For board game quality models they look nice enough and have a variety of poses.


My criteria for an acceptable purchase is different based on what I'm making the purchase for. Sometimes I want maximum bitz, sometimes pose variety, sometimes a specific aesthetic, but while I'd usually almost always prefer either HIPS or resin the actual material is less important to me so long as the models will do what I want them to do. In this case, I want them to look like reasonable quality Star Wars models and based on what I've seen I think they meet that standard.

I mean, for all I know FFG shat the bed and shipped out loads of boxes full of sub-par final product, but when I look at the painting videos with production plastics on YouTube I just don't see what you're seeing, I don't see "mediocre low quality models". If you've got your phone handy, maybe you could take a few pictures and show us what you mean.

EDIT: I mean, yeah, I look at that pic of Veers and I don't see a model of particularly lesser quality than the newer Empire plastic infantry, or the ME Broken boxed set. The folds in the fabric are clearly defined, smaller detailing like armour clasps are visible, the gun has detailing, the face has fully defined features. If you put the exact same design through an injection-molded HIPS design and production process you would get marginally better definition on some areas like the rank bar, but I'd wager folding money that if you took such a model and this one, painted them to the same standard, and did a "Pepsi Challenge" comparison a lot of the people arguing the Legion kits are "melted" etc wouldn't have a clue which was which.

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 kodos wrote:
I looks like you either get good rules or good models at the moment
It will take a while until I can grap a Box, but if the quality is equal to X-Wing it should be good enough for gaming

but the price includes also the cards which makes the price ok for models+gaming material (not good, but ok)

jake wrote:
out of curiosity, which Mantic kits do you feel are really good examples of this? I've bought a few over the years (although none in the last year) and I haven't been impressed with the quality at all. Or rather, I've found the quality notably inferior to GW kits. The quality isn't awful.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
I became sceptical of your claims whence I read about Mantic making plastic kits with the same level of sharpness of detail as GW


My newest GW kit was the Changeling and some AoS models
For Mantic I got the Enforcer and Abyss

pure manufacturing quality they are equal, sharp details (for plastic), mould lines were less and easier to remove (without killing details) on the Mantic models.
the advantage for the Mantic models was that they are free to pose while the GW models all are monopose but looked better as single model and both did not fit perfectly (Mantic ones because of the poseable joints) and needed Green Stuff.

actually comparing older kits of them, the plastic Elves and Dwarfs from Mantic (have them here too) are also equal to kits GW from the same time period
they were just inferior/different in design and a lot of people on the web reviewed them as bad quality because they did not like the design

comparing the GW basic dwarf warriors, the Mantic ones are superior (the bad High Elves are no longer sold by GW I guess)
And Mantic wants their stuff to look good in regiments which why posable arms are more important than a dynamic single models


But there is just the opinion out there that GW is superior in model quality to everything because they are the most expensive one while they are just equal to everyone else and only superior in design (if you like it)


1) GW are not the most expensive
2) I`ve held mantic minis (dwarves with guns) alongside GWs (dwarves with guns) and I can`t agree with that sharpness is the same : Mantics dwarves are inferior
3) Just judging by pics on the internet Abyss or Enforces don`t look like GW quality to me in terms of detail sharpness and design. A good comparison would be Neopytes/Skitarii and plastic bloodletters. Guess which one look like have finer features
4) There are better minis, than GW, but none come close in the medium of plastic (unless it`s wyrd miniatures, but you`d hate them - they have no posability)

When it comes to legion: the state of minis looks worse, than Mantic Enforces. But a fair comparison would be Something of PVC as well: it would be interesting to see Legion alongside Bloodrage or Rising Sun or The World of Smog (in one photo)...
Judging by the pics on the net the duel is lost by FFG again (and I`m not talking about master sculpts CMON likes to show instead of real minis they sell)
   
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It looks like at least one of these models is just a Trooper from the first set with a cloak sculpted on.



its harder to tell with the others. Some of them look like they may be older sculpts with cloaks, and possibly new heads or arms. A few of them look like they're older sculpts that have been mirrored. But as I said, its hard to tell.

Variety is really nice, but there's no good reason to be repeating sculpts like this.
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 jake wrote:
 kodos wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:

You may prefer your model kits to be more modal, but that's hardly an indication of quality in line with metrics like detail sharpness, casting or material, all of which most certainly did not deteriorate from previous offerings.

of course it is a indication of quality if you get mono pose or modular models
the same like moving part on large model kits

call it quality of design

but if you are just talking about sharpness and mold lines and how good the models fit together than yes, we got the decrease here too.
(and than new GW kits are not special either as they are not superior than anything Mantic makes in plastic if you are just talking about sharpness abd moldlines)


out of curiosity, which Mantic kits do you feel are really good examples of this? I've bought a few over the years (although none in the last year) and I haven't been impressed with the quality at all. Or rather, I've found the quality notably inferior to GW kits. The quality isn't awful.


GCPS marines and the Asterian Marionettes.

   
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 jake wrote:
angel of death 007 wrote:


It all comes down to you get what you pay for, if you want diamonds buy diamonds, if you are happy with looks like diamonds buy cubic z's. The fact of the matter is yes had GW done starwars they would have been a lot better but a squad of 7 storm troopers would also be around $50 USD. So at half that for rank and file models.... I think it is a no brainer. Some people are happy paying Lexus prices for a Toyota. Others are more reasonable with their money.


Yes, you obviously get what you pay for. My argument is that Fantasy Flight could have made something better that I actually would have been excited to pay a little more for. Saying "Its not very good, but it only costs $25" isn't a really compelling argument. It's not a "no brainer" if the models are so poor that I regret buying them.

I know not everyone is going to feel that way, but I do. I want the models I invest my limited resources into to actually be good. I'm not interested in "good enough". Thats why this product has been a letdown for me.


At the end of the day you are going to have people who are going to get them to play with for the game... these models may or may not be painted more then likely won't be. And seeing how it is meant to be a multi minature wargame several boxes of squads or whatever add up and are needed to make an army much like GW.

The other way to look at it is for people who want to collect or display. Here is where painting and conversion comes in big. They are not painting one model and putting it under a magnifying glass on a display they are painting several. So are you only going to paint 3 or 4 storm troopers or will you want like 20. A dileramma is a bit different then I can understand this but even for those they require a lot of modifications on the original models.

So to play an army based game lets look at the pros and cons. Having to buy multiple rank and file models... Legion wins here, cheaper prices... oh and wait... Legion also comes with everything to use the models in the box. So if you want a squad of storm troopers you buy a squad of storm troopers for $20 (online) or $25 in store.

GW... you want a squad.. you buy one to 4 boxes of models at $30-50 each box, a $40 ish dollar codex, just to use said models, and pay an extra $15 if you want their cards... So basically min around $70 to field one squad or up to around $240... and this is just 1 squad of rank and file troopers.

I really don't see your argument, if you are getting them for gaming then you can get an army or the majority of it for the cost of one squad which you need numerous others to play. I am saying that if you want army scale wargaming and you have a budget, this gives you an option that GW just doesn't offer. This could be the game for the every man.... where GW is geared toward the plastic crack addicts who will pay anything to get their fix.
   
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I think you are very much over egging the affordability.

The starter is still £80 without discount and you likely want two of them because of dice and accessories and a need for basic troops. 800 points as the standard game size pushes you towards needing those sort of numbers for basic troops, and using any of the alternate and cheaper commanders creates a bigger need for more troop squads.

Having now handled the models, they are on a par with Mantics restic offerings as seen in Deadzone. They are nowhere near the quality of GW, and will need bending with hot water to get things like lightsabers straight. I'll even need to bend the barricades.


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Glad I passed on this now. FFG just aren't up to doing a mass battle tabletop game to modern standards.

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I think if you are a painter or modeler this game is not for you. There are metal kits and plastic model kits for Star Wars and they are great. Having said that, in my store we have sold a ton of this game. It is blowing up like x-wing did. I am 54 and tired of assembling model kits to play miniatures games. There are many who don't care for the hobby aspect of miniatures and just want to play. I think this game is for them. Next weekend we will have a battle for Hoth bring and battle using At At's from the Wizards of the coast Star wars game. It should be a lot of fun!
   
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You want the starter box twice, but you also most likely share them with someone or sell the part you don't want
So we count it once, using the boxes we have at the start you are at 125€ for a standard size army (Starter + another HQ + another Troop)

Than we are adding another Hero, vehicle and special Troops to get some variation and maybe another set of dice

200€ and you are done

If it is cheap will depend on if WYSIWYG is a thing for official gameplay and if conversion are allowed (like using the Maelstroms Edge Box to add some Aliens and increase the amount of Troopers you own for cheap)
And of course if you would need to buy some upgrade Boxes later just for a single model or a card

It could expensive very fast if power creep enter the game and you need to spend 25€ just to get a single mode with the card (hello GW plastic heroes)


Comparing it to 40k is not really a thing as the game size is very different, but:
Death Guard: Starter Box twice and selling what we don't need (so count it once), Codex and Cards, and another Box (Vehicle) = 200€ and we are ~250 points short for standard game level
So we end up we 300€ to enter the game with no variation at all and are limited to 2 factions (Primaris or Death Guard) to get that price (for everything else we start at 400-500€)

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Smellingsalts wrote:
I think if you are a painter or modeler this game is not for you. There are metal kits and plastic model kits for Star Wars and they are great. Having said that, in my store we have sold a ton of this game. It is blowing up like x-wing did. I am 54 and tired of assembling model kits to play miniatures games. There are many who don't care for the hobby aspect of miniatures and just want to play. I think this game is for them. Next weekend we will have a battle for Hoth bring and battle using At At's from the Wizards of the coast Star wars game. It should be a lot of fun!


I still disagree with this. 90% of my hobby is modelling and I can't match up what I see(pretty cool, could be sharper here or there but they look like what they're supposed to, Han aside) with how some folk are describing them(ermahgerd, they're melting, meeeeeelllllttiiiiing). I swear some folk seem to have never bought anything except GW plastic model kits designed and produced within the last 5-10 years.

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