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 Grimgold wrote:
I thought drukari were next, it would be odd if someone got a codex more than a month before it's street date.

The Splintermind podcast team have said themselves, and confirmed by GW I beleive, that they've been playtesting the new Drukhari codex. No real beans being spilled but at leas tone of them has said he's very happy with it.

 Grimgold wrote:
That seems Suspicious, why would he need his book to leak, when he had the playtest data. Also early usually isn't a month early, there is no way they could keep the contents a secret that long, just him showing it off to F&F would eventually spring some major leaks. It would be at most two weeks early, during the hype making phase where leaks won't take the piss out of the warhammer community announcements. I think you guys are getting your chains jerked.

As mentioned, it seems like the books get sent out in advance and there's pretty strict NDAs likely in place(least but not limited to "You don't get books again").

You'd be surprised how little friends & family likely care over stuff like this.

So playtesters already got copies to, well test. No doubt the codices will already get changes in the march FAQ then.

Doctoralex wrote:
So playtesters already got copies to, well test. No doubt the codices will already get changes in the march FAQ then.

I mean, they have to have someone who feeds them stuff for the initial FAQ at launch eh?

In all likelihood, it's the "last stage" of playtesting at that point.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Doctoralex wrote:
So playtesters already got copies to, well test. No doubt the codices will already get changes in the march FAQ then.

I mean, they have to have someone who feeds them stuff for the initial FAQ at launch eh?

In all likelihood, it's the "last stage" of playtesting at that point.

Yea you are probably right. Well, at least its better than no playtesting at all.

 Grimgold wrote:
That seems Suspicious, why would he need his book to leak, when he had the playtest data. Also early usually isn't a month early, there is no way they could keep the contents a secret that long, just him showing it off to F&F would eventually spring some major leaks. It would be at most two weeks early, during the hype making phase where leaks won't take the piss out of the warhammer community announcements. I think you guys are getting your chains jerked.

Well march is pretty soon so 2 weeks would be for early march release. And as for why book rather than playtest data...Well that playtest info he had is like 6month+ old and has bound to be changed. Just 'cause you playtested doesn't mean you know what GW ended up finally with.

Hopefully Tau gets their codex next so we can get Fires of Cyraxus already..

 Kanluwen wrote:

The claim, from what I can tell, is that playtesters receive their complimentary copies early.

They use PLAYTESTERS???!

Cheeslord wrote:
They use PLAYTESTERS???!

Yes, they started at least with playtesting 8th ed long before it came out. The Frontline Gaming guys are one group, and there are others across the world.

I'm pretty happy about it.

Cheeslord wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

The claim, from what I can tell, is that playtesters receive their complimentary copies early.

They use PLAYTESTERS???!

Yeah. That's been common knowledge for a while. Ever since 8th edition hit.

 Lorek wrote:

Cheeslord wrote:
They use PLAYTESTERS???!

Yes, they started at least with playtesting 8th ed long before it came out. The Frontline Gaming guys are one group, and there are others across the world.

I'm pretty happy about it.

Too bad GW still seems to have trouble with listening to them. That or playtesters are doing poor job seeing the junk 8th ed is

tneva82 wrote:

 Lorek wrote:

Cheeslord wrote:
They use PLAYTESTERS???!

Yes, they started at least with playtesting 8th ed long before it came out. The Frontline Gaming guys are one group, and there are others across the world.

I'm pretty happy about it.

Too bad GW still seems to have trouble with listening to them. That or playtesters are doing poor job seeing the junk 8th ed is

From what I've heard from someone who knows someone who tested 8th (based on very limited stuff since GW didn't renege the NDA after it launched to my knowledge, so they cannot talk about the testing process), the playtesting was not what we think. It was basically "Use these two 1500 point lists and see if things feel right" not "Build a list and tell us what you think is too weak/strong". So while GW might playtest, it doesn't seem they are playtesting correctly, they are basically having outside playtesters test the way they would internally, and still gross under/over estimate everything as a result.

Wayniac wrote:
From what I've heard from someone who knows someone who tested 8th (based on very limited stuff since GW didn't renege the NDA after it launched to my knowledge, so they cannot talk about the testing process), the playtesting was not what we think. It was basically "Use these two 1500 point lists and see if things feel right" not "Build a list and tell us what you think is too weak/strong". So while GW might playtest, it doesn't seem they are playtesting correctly, they are basically having outside playtesters test the way they would internally, and still gross under/over estimate everything as a result.

Sounds about right if my memory serves right and ITC guy here in dakka dakka noted their role was lesser than forum talk here put it as.

Wayniac wrote:


From what I've heard from someone who knows someone who tested 8th

Well, that sounds rock solid.

bananathug wrote:
I swear if there are more 2 damage weapons released without SM termie/primaris points dropping in half I don't know what I'm going to do...

And if a damned assault cannon heavy 12 -1 1dmg got a price bump up to 44 vs a heavy 18 -1 2dmg for 35 points...it better be on a damned 6+ bs model.

Anyone want to army swap? Got over 10k of marines I've painstakingly painted, modified over the last 20 years which GW seems hellbent on me never playing a competitive game with

Space Marines are bound to be getting more PrimeArchs and the fact that you guys complain when you can mix in so many different codexes to shore up any discrepancies your list may have makes Xenos players like myself sick when I hear this kind of [MOD EDIT - Please do use workarounds for the expletive filter - Alpharius]

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not going to remove market lights as long as the miniatures exist for them.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Yes. it is a given that as a new book comes out, they drop a few new units or characters with it.

As has been said numerous times, that's not the way this Codex release cycle is going.

Most books get a token miniature, usually something previously available in a boxed game or special bundle, and that's it. Tau, Dark Eldar and Necrons are not full releases. The Necrons are getting a plastic Cryptek, not a suite of new units. We don't even know if the DE will get any new miniatures.

Yeah, I doubt Dark Eldar will get a model. They've got their 3 main HQ choices covered. Though, a plastic Drazhar/Lilith Hesperax/Urien Rakarth would be kinda nice. But I'm just wishlisting.

You know what I'd like? The ability to legally field my Haemonculus plastic model and have his rules work.

Haemonculus can currently take two weapons. His model is holding three. Just another beautiful iteration of GW's "Maybe models, maybe rules???" policy.

v0iddrgn wrote:

bananathug wrote:
I swear if there are more 2 damage weapons released without SM termie/primaris points dropping in half I don't know what I'm going to do...

And if a damned assault cannon heavy 12 -1 1dmg got a price bump up to 44 vs a heavy 18 -1 2dmg for 35 points...it better be on a damned 6+ bs model.

Anyone want to army swap? Got over 10k of marines I've painstakingly painted, modified over the last 20 years which GW seems hellbent on me never playing a competitive game with

Space Marines are bound to be getting more PrimeArchs and the fact that you guys complain when you can mix in so many different codexes to shore up any discrepancies your list may have makes Xenos players like myself sick when I hear this kind of [MOD EDIT - Please do use workarounds for the expletive filter - Alpharius]

Not everyone wants to have to use either Primarchs, IG allies or even Primaris to have a non joke army.

 RandyMcStab wrote:

Not everyone wants to have to use either Primarchs, IG allies or even Primaris to have a non joke army.

this, very much this.

That's like me saying "All the whining from xenos guys about their broken troops when all they have to do is go out and buy a space marine army..."

Unbalanced units/weapons/strats/tactics should bother everyone. The game is best played by two reasonably capable armies. having one army with weapons twice as good per point as the other leads to a game that isn't fun for either player, IMHO.

Sorry to bring my marine salt to the celebratory Tau thread but if people can't see how something this unbalanced could cause issues I'm not sure it's worth continuing this conversation.

If the big heavy gun is only available on a particular tank, why does it matter if it is cheaper than an assault cannon?

If the vehicle is overpriced to make the weapons cheaper, then it is a wash.

Please, until you have the point values for both try to not do direct comparisons. You'll just make yourself angry for no reason.

(Feel free to lose your gak if that turns out to not be the case)

You mean like how certain people complained about Hurricane Bolters being only a 4 point weapon when maybe 3 units can take it as an option?

the_scotsman wrote:

You know what I'd like? The ability to legally field my Haemonculus plastic model and have his rules work.

Haemonculus can currently take two weapons. His model is holding three. Just another beautiful iteration of GW's "Maybe models, maybe rules???" policy.

Wasn't one of the things that Haemonculi carried a "tool" or wargear piece?


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You mean like how certain people complained about Hurricane Bolters being only a 4 point weapon when maybe 3 units can take it as an option?

Some people don't understand that low-priced hulls seem to pay for weapons while high priced hulls don't.

bananathug wrote:
That's like me saying "All the whining from xenos guys about their broken troops when all they have to do is go out and buy a space marine army..."

Yes and no - You can play mixed Imperium in matched play you simply can't play mixed Xenos - couple this with the massive pile of Marine Codex's we have had and are likely to continue having.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
If the big heavy gun is only available on a particular tank, why does it matter if it is cheaper than an assault cannon?

If the vehicle is overpriced to make the weapons cheaper, then it is a wash.

Please, until you have the point values for both try to not do direct comparisons. You'll just make yourself angry for no reason.

(Feel free to lose your gak if that turns out to not be the case)

Platform overpriced to compensate weapon being underpriced is btw lol-bad game design. Similar to special characters deserving point break cause you can only have one

 Kanluwen wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

You know what I'd like? The ability to legally field my Haemonculus plastic model and have his rules work.

Haemonculus can currently take two weapons. His model is holding three. Just another beautiful iteration of GW's "Maybe models, maybe rules???" policy.

Wasn't one of the things that Haemonculi carried a "tool" or wargear piece?


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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You mean like how certain people complained about Hurricane Bolters being only a 4 point weapon when maybe 3 units can take it as an option?

Some people don't understand that low-priced hulls seem to pay for weapons while high priced hulls don't.

No, the Haemonculus Tool is his basic weapon (think "Chainsword") which he can swap out for a different melee weapon if he fancies one of his other 9-10 melee weapon options which are all some form of Poison, D1, AP not much if any, damage vehicles on a 6.

According to someone on the French warhammer forum who has white dwarf already, the next codex wil be the Tau with a preorder on March 10th. 136 pages. Same price as custodes book. The white dwarf does not cover any preorders after the 10th.

the_scotsman wrote:

No, the Haemonculus Tool is his basic weapon (think "Chainsword") which he can swap out for a different melee weapon if he fancies one of his other 9-10 melee weapon options which are all some form of Poison, D1, AP not much if any, damage vehicles on a 6.

Gotcha. I meant more in the last edition, but it's good to know either way.

Hopefully they set you up like they do Techpriest Enginseers, where you have a blade and then "torturer's tools" that have some kind of bonus plus the pistol.

So what's coming out this weekend for pre-order?

AoS daughters of Khaine

 kronk wrote:
So what's coming out this weekend for pre-order?

They always post what's going on pre-order on Saturday on Sunday on Warhammer Community.