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yukishiro1 wrote:
It's more stupid power creep and another unfortunate move towards a game about super heroes punching one another while buffing their minions, but that shouldn't surprise anyone at this point.

What's more disappointing is that she isn't even interesting from a rules point of view. It's just all brute power, nothing flavorful or interesting. Compare her to say the Triumph, or Celestine - or even Junith - and you see how boring a model she is.

I remember people complaining about herohammer in 3rd Edition so this isn't really a new thing, much less some sort of creep in that regard.
   
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Um, creep is the *opposite* of a new thing.

And the fact that people have been complaining about the game being too character-centric for a long time now shows that creep *is* at work, not that it isn't, especially when you consider we didn't have basically any big centerpiece models back then.

Big centerpiece creep is very much a thing. In less than one year of 9th alone, Necrons and now SoB have been given them, adding to the big centerpiece models we got from 7th and 8th.

   
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It's always the same trope. Preview articles show bits of rules without points cost and people go moaning about how overpowered she is. Then when the codex comes with full rules and point cost...suddenly, it's not the same anymore. How strange, really.

That, and the usual hyperboles "she looks like gak with her face on" "I don't understand why there is a choice to put her without her helmet". Not worth it to react to that.

Wait and see, as usual. No, it should be the actual rule for everything, now.

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yukishiro1 wrote:
Um, creep is the *opposite* of a new thing.

And the fact that people have been complaining about the game being too character-centric for a long time now shows that creep *is* at work, not that it isn't, especially when you consider we didn't have basically any big centerpiece models back then.

Big centerpiece creep is very much a thing. In less than one year of 9th alone, Necrons and now SoB have been given them, adding to the big centerpiece models we got from 7th and 8th.


If the hyperbole was true every character would be statted like a Warlord Titan at this point. The characters aren't creeping, the commuity is just banging it's knee on their desks and posting that as a hot take everytime GW goes "look at this new thing!".
   
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It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.

What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.

Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.

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 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
It't not OP or any of these other accusations yet because as stated above, she could be perfectly costed for the ability.

What it is though is boring. Why are they making sisters female marines? Why is she capable of being a bobby G of sorts when sisters rules have so many other intereactions and nuances that she could compliment instead? How about every unit within 6" can use an act of faith in each phase.

Of course this is limited by the amount of miracle dice you have, but if you save them up through the game and she is still knocking around with a decent cohort in those later rounds, then the beta strike can be made. It's powerful but also favourable to the army rather than female marines.

How is she a female Marine? Does she have the Astartes keyword? ATSKNF? Chapter Tactics?

She's a high ranking Sister with great wargear. S/T5 comes from the suit and her spear does a lot of lifting in melee. She's just a souped up named Canonness in a warsuit with a nice pointy stick.
   
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Yeah let’s just pretend full reroll hits AND wounds isn’t strong.
   
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Quasistellar wrote:
Yeah let’s just pretend full reroll hits AND wounds isn’t strong.

She can only do that to a single core unit a turn within 6" so it's strong, but not game breaking. And she's going to come at a premium for that.
   
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Quasistellar wrote:
Yeah let’s just pretend full reroll hits AND wounds isn’t strong.


Depends actually of the unit able to reroll hits and wounds.

And that means it depends of which units will be CORE for sisters, and which equipment the characters will have.

If it's just a basic sister unit that can have only 10 girls with mostly bolters or a canoness with limited weapons...it's not that strong, in the end.

So, better to wait the full rules - meaning full codex.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
Quasistellar wrote:
Yeah let’s just pretend full reroll hits AND wounds isn’t strong.

She can only do that to a single core unit a turn within 6" so it's strong, but not game breaking. And she's going to come at a premium for that.


The power of that ability will also hinge on what is and is not core in the new book. A single heavy weapon squad of 5 sisters is mean but not game breaking, a 10 man sister squad with bolters is okay but nothing exceptional. If those warsuits are core by some silly chance then yeah there will be some power behind the ability. But otherwise it's just, handy to have right?
   
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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
My God she looks like Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber, except older.


OMG!

Sisters have Simple Jack AND Lloyd Christmas

   
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 ClockworkZion wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
Um, creep is the *opposite* of a new thing.

And the fact that people have been complaining about the game being too character-centric for a long time now shows that creep *is* at work, not that it isn't, especially when you consider we didn't have basically any big centerpiece models back then.

Big centerpiece creep is very much a thing. In less than one year of 9th alone, Necrons and now SoB have been given them, adding to the big centerpiece models we got from 7th and 8th.


If the hyperbole was true every character would be statted like a Warlord Titan at this point. The characters aren't creeping, the commuity is just banging it's knee on their desks and posting that as a hot take everytime GW goes "look at this new thing!".


Have sisters ever had a character anywhere this level of power? No. So obviously there is some creep going on. I don't know what you're even arguing against here, it seems like a straw man to rant at. Points for the hyperbolically ironic use of the hyperbole charge, though.
   
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I would not be surprised at all if shes less then 200 points. With the points they gave Drazhar and succubi, I bet both her and Call are not far off from the 200 point mark in either direction.

   
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I think your first thoughts might be a bit overblown.
Red Corsair wrote:My first thought.

This is getting pretty insane. I mean, her weapons are also a sign of how silly the creep has reached. She can't just have a S8 -3 flat 3 damage weapon with no hit mod, no it also has to inflict mortals but wait, theres more! It also has an alternate profile for swinging with volume.
Two attack modes is pretty common on Monsters now days. Heck, some hard hitting infantry units (Deathshroud Terminators) have such weapons. GW seems to have decided they don't want these units tied down by hordes of mooks.
She has two krack missiles and a HB, but wait theres more! The missiles also can be shot as 36" range bolters for more volume!
OMG! She has a weapon that has the exact same stats as a Cyclone Missile Launcher!
Her suit not only is a 2+ 4++ halving all damage, no no no hold on! It also ignores mortal wounds on a 4+!
So like Calgar with Mortal Wound mitigation added. I guess it pays to be a holy figure and High Lord of Terra.
Not only is she a captain, shes also a lieutenant!

Not only is she a chapter master, shes also full wound rerolls!
Kinda like Robot Guilliman, but only for one unit on hit rolls while allowing full damage reroll. But RG has that other aura (Master of Battle) going for him. I guess she's a bit better in her specialization.
I am fine with her being very good, she should be, but they really have run out of room to make new characters without throwing everything AND the kitchen sink at them. If she is such a hot head she skips the clerical duties to hit people in the face then why does she have such an absurd aura? Pick a lane GW.
Encouraging her buddies to also hit them in the face is unfluffy because she doesn't like paper work?
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:LOL not even Roboute halves damage coming at him.
But Calgar does. Roboute just has higher toughness, more wounds, a 3++, and stands back up with d6 more wounds. Different forms of toughness to keep thing interesting.
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:

Have sisters ever had a character anywhere this level of power? No. So obviously there is some creep going on. I don't know what you're even arguing against here, it seems like a straw man to rant at. Points for the hyperbolically ironic use of the hyperbole charge, though.


You didn't play Celestine before the V8 codex, did you.
   
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Sarouan wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:

Have sisters ever had a character anywhere this level of power? No. So obviously there is some creep going on. I don't know what you're even arguing against here, it seems like a straw man to rant at. Points for the hyperbolically ironic use of the hyperbole charge, though.


You didn't play Celestine before the V8 codex, did you.

Exactly, Celestine was a monster for quite some time. Honestly I wonder where people get these ideas from. The new High Lord's power is appropriate to her position and reflects her authority. She doesn't even go full High Lord and order around non-Sisters in her rules like Guilliman does.

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Sarouan wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:

Have sisters ever had a character anywhere this level of power? No. So obviously there is some creep going on. I don't know what you're even arguing against here, it seems like a straw man to rant at. Points for the hyperbolically ironic use of the hyperbole charge, though.


You didn't play Celestine before the V8 codex, did you.


Celestine in 7th wasn't close to this level of power, she was just a pain to remove. I don't know about before that, I didn't play 6th.

You just don't notice these days because everything else in the game has...wait for it...creeped along to the point where it doesn't seem so out of place any more to have models like these...because it isn't out of place any more. This is the new reality. Every faction gets a big powerful superhero centerpiece. Why they had to make a new, boring one instead of the old, interesting one SoB already had I'm not sure, other than that it's a new kit for people to buy.

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 ClockworkZion wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
It's more stupid power creep and another unfortunate move towards a game about super heroes punching one another while buffing their minions, but that shouldn't surprise anyone at this point.

What's more disappointing is that she isn't even interesting from a rules point of view. It's just all brute power, nothing flavorful or interesting. Compare her to say the Triumph, or Celestine - or even Junith - and you see how boring a model she is.

I remember people complaining about herohammer in 3rd Edition so this isn't really a new thing, much less some sort of creep in that regard.


Whining that a model does what it looks like it should do. A new low for an already very mediocre community.


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yukishiro1 wrote:
Sarouan wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:

Have sisters ever had a character anywhere this level of power? No. So obviously there is some creep going on. I don't know what you're even arguing against here, it seems like a straw man to rant at. Points for the hyperbolically ironic use of the hyperbole charge, though.


You didn't play Celestine before the V8 codex, did you.


Celestine in 7th wasn't close to this level of power, she was just a pain to remove. I don't know about before that, I didn't play 6th.

You just don't notice these days because everything else in the game has...wait for it...creeped along to the point where it doesn't seem so out of place any more to have models like these...because it isn't out of place any more. This is the new reality. Every faction gets a big powerful superhero centerpiece. Why they had to make a new, boring one instead of the old, interesting one SoB already had I'm not sure, other than that it's a new kit for people to buy.


I can never take anything you say seriously for the rest of time.

Celestine in 7th and ESPECIALLY in the index was BONKERS. She could win 1000-1500pt games BY HERSELF thanks to her insane longevity and even crazier speed.

This chick is just some beatstick with a decent aura ability and the minimum amount of defense necessary for a footslog melee character to have a shot at getting into combat.

Do you even play 40k?

Yunno what, that's not enough for how stupid this take was. Celestine was so obscene in the index that even without a good aura ability, even at 250 points, she was an auto-include in EVERY IMPERIAL ARMY for a significant amount of that era. If you knew how to use her you could slaughter 3-5 times her point value without taking any damage, or shut down an entire tank battery off the jump with no response but overwatch. She was a cuisinart of bs and easily the most OP thing sisters have EVER had.

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Curious to see the stats on the regular suits. Would look pretty cool to go full warsuits plus Morvenn.
   
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My point is proven re: creep when someone says that a buff to give a unit full hits and wounds rerolls is just "decent" and that 2+/4++/4+++ to mortal wounds / half all damage / 8W is the "minimum amount of defense necessary" for a character of her type. Talk about making someone's point for them without realizing it.

Re: Celestine in 7th, I was talking about the codex version, I came back to the game after the codex was released in 7th, I have no idea what she was like in the index. If she was that powerful, that sounds extremely stupid. The codex version was good, but not insane, and was certainly not a big centerpiece model that's just about throwing every possible brute strength rule together into a package the way this lady is.

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Either/Or wrote:
Curious to see the stats on the regular suits. Would look pretty cool to go full warsuits plus Morvenn.

I assume 3+ BS/WS T/S5 and something like 3 wounds and 2 or 3 attacks.
   
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I would guess 4W, but who really knows.
   
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yukishiro1 wrote:
I would guess 4W, but who really knows.

Possible, but a 3 model,12 wound unit feels a bit too beatstick for Sisters.
   
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Given Mortifiers and PenEngines have 5 wounds, I feel like 3 would be a bit low.
   
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This recent turn toward superhero special characters has really ruined 40k for me. How boring it has become

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yukishiro1 wrote:
My point is proven re: creep when someone says that a buff to give a unit full hits and wounds rerolls is just "decent" and that 2+/4++/4+++ to mortal wounds / half all damage / 8W is the "minimum amount of defense necessary" for a character of her type. Talk about making someone's point for them without realizing it.

Re: Celestine in 7th, I was talking about the codex version, I came back to the game after the codex was released in 7th, I have no idea what she was like in the index. If she was that powerful, that sounds extremely stupid. The codex version was good, but not insane, and was certainly not a big centerpiece model that's just about throwing every possible brute strength rule together into a package the way this lady is.
Indexes were 8th ed

   
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I think battle suits are more likely to be 5-8. They are clearly bigger than mortifiers.
   
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Lammia wrote:
yukishiro1 wrote:
My point is proven re: creep when someone says that a buff to give a unit full hits and wounds rerolls is just "decent" and that 2+/4++/4+++ to mortal wounds / half all damage / 8W is the "minimum amount of defense necessary" for a character of her type. Talk about making someone's point for them without realizing it.

Re: Celestine in 7th, I was talking about the codex version, I came back to the game after the codex was released in 7th, I have no idea what she was like in the index. If she was that powerful, that sounds extremely stupid. The codex version was good, but not insane, and was certainly not a big centerpiece model that's just about throwing every possible brute strength rule together into a package the way this lady is.
Indexes were 8th ed


Oh, he meant the 8th edition index version? Yeah, she was pretty stupid in the index, though not nearly as much as he was claiming re: being able to solo 1000 points and stupid stuff like that. And the indexes were the indexes, I don't think you can really cite them as examples of how powerful stuff was supposed to be, there was all sorts of stupid in those.
   
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I like her, I like the suits....will be adding. More so than the Castigator, that's for sure.
   
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Sarouan wrote:
It's always the same trope. Preview articles show bits of rules without points cost and people go moaning about how overpowered she is. Then when the codex comes with full rules and point cost...suddenly, it's not the same anymore. How strange, really.

That, and the usual hyperboles "she looks like gak with her face on" "I don't understand why there is a choice to put her without her helmet". Not worth it to react to that.

Wait and see, as usual. No, it should be the actual rule for everything, now.


Funnily enough more than 9/10 times it's the wait and see that proves to be wrong. Big time.

Gw isn't subtle, they don't care about balaec and are lousy game designers(hired for attitude rather than ability after all). There's no subtle interactions etc. Just easv to see problems.

There's reasln broken combls and lists are found befove full book is leaked
   
 
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