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Rihgu wrote:
In that case, it's slightly cheaper than Battlescribe!

Battlescribe beats the GW app by a country mile.
   
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Mchagen wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
In that case, it's slightly cheaper than Battlescribe!

Battlescribe beats the GW app by a country mile.


oh, 100%, I totally use battlescribe over the GW app army builder, absolutely no question. but i suspect that the app was never intended to be a "battlescribe killer" by GW. I think its planned use was as a lookup tool, a more portable way of looking up things like the exact wording of a stratagem, or Warlord trait, or the strength of a certain gun, etc. thats how i use it, and it works well enough in that role, certainly more coinvent than doing the same in the hardcopy codex (which i normally only open for the faction secondaries).

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xerxeskingofking wrote:
Mchagen wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
In that case, it's slightly cheaper than Battlescribe!

Battlescribe beats the GW app by a country mile.


oh, 100%, I totally use battlescribe over the GW app army builder, absolutely no question. but i suspect that the app was never intended to be a "battlescribe killer" by GW. I think its planned use was as a lookup tool, a more portable way of looking up things like the exact wording of a stratagem, or Warlord trait, or the strength of a certain gun, etc. thats how i use it, and it works well enough in that role, certainly more coinvent than doing the same in the hardcopy codex (which i normally only open for the faction secondaries).


Exactly this. Battlescribe is a better army builder than the GW app but I've always found it patchy rules wise. I built a Custodes list the other day and for the Ka'Tahs it just said 'see codex Adeptus custodes'. Not great.
   
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I want to like the GW app but the ork list builder alone is riddled with issues and 0 have been fixed. Even though I emailed them the issues within two weeks of release and they even responded to me asking for more details from appeared to be a real honest to god human. You still cant give nobs in some squads weapons the codex says they get, some units cant take certain models theyre supposed to have, and in some cases their pts costs are just outright wrong.

Its a shame too, it has a lot of potential. If I was running an event though I wouldnt accept lists made in the Warhammer App because it just has too many errors right now. Its kind of sad. They seem to care but appear to be stretched very thin given the weird updates it gets.

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ERJAK wrote:
How does a Plagueburst go down 15 when the Exorcist only goes down 10?
For the same reason that Eldar now get Obelisks: GW are bad at this.

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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
I want to like the GW app but the ork list builder alone is riddled with issues and 0 have been fixed. Even though I emailed them the issues within two weeks of release and they even responded to me asking for more details from appeared to be a real honest to god human. You still cant give nobs in some squads weapons the codex says they get, some units cant take certain models theyre supposed to have, and in some cases their pts costs are just outright wrong.

Its a shame too, it has a lot of potential. If I was running an event though I wouldnt accept lists made in the Warhammer App because it just has too many errors right now. Its kind of sad. They seem to care but appear to be stretched very thin given the weird updates it gets.


I seem to recall their latest business statements mentioned the delays and costs in the ERP project pushed development of all their other technical functions (i.e. apps) back 12 months, leaving customers hanging in the wind because they don't have their devs free to work on stuff.
   
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I really like the idea of taking an Obelisk in my Iyanden army. That should shake things up a bit.

 Grimskul wrote:
There's seriously no point in engaging with Irbis. Guy comes into threads all the time spewing hyperbole and verifiably wrong statements and never bothers to respond to when people call him out on his bullgak. Pretty sure he's just here to stir the pot and pull the victimhood narrative of being a poor "underpowered" marine player.
It's especially amusing when he tries to have a go at me.

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If the Obelisk is in the CWE section, can CWE use it?
   
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
If the Obelisk is in the CWE section, can CWE use it?

Would you want to?
   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Leth wrote:
Hammer head is gonna be 3+/4+ with a native reroll or 2+/3+ with a marker light. Its then going to wound most things on 2s and knights on 3s.

Not sure why people talk about it like its feast or famine when its 1 shot is much more reliable for getting results than 5+ shots of other weapons.

Hammer head is also 155 with two smart missile systems confirmed.


That requires markerlights, which is a cost.



A cost you are going to put on something you wanted to kill anyway. They are even easier to get now than they were before.

Also Feast or Famine is not really applicable when it is like 70-80%+. If 80% is feast or famine than it can apply to almost anything and loses all meaning.

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Dudeface wrote:


I seem to recall their latest business statements mentioned the delays and costs in the ERP project pushed development of all their other technical functions (i.e. apps) back 12 months, leaving customers hanging in the wind because they don't have their devs free to work on stuff.


It seems pretty implausible that the consumer app development team and the ERP devs are the same people, they're pretty disparate skill sets, and both are outsourced from GW as far as I know.

But the apps are clearly suffering from a lack of investment. The paint app, which everyone quite liked, has fallen behind and doesn't even cover the full range any more, and still doesn't have any way to sync your inventory. The army builder apps don't have tablet views yet! I don't think that's due to anything more than GW underinvesting and picking a dev team who aren't big enough to do what they want do to.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really like the idea of taking an Obelisk in my Iyanden army. That should shake things up a bit.

 Grimskul wrote:
There's seriously no point in engaging with Irbis. Guy comes into threads all the time spewing hyperbole and verifiably wrong statements and never bothers to respond to when people call him out on his bullgak. Pretty sure he's just here to stir the pot and pull the victimhood narrative of being a poor "underpowered" marine player.
It's especially amusing when he tries to have a go at me.


The release of Chapter Approved is generally the time of year when I MOST dislike GW. They're ostensibly for balance but they never DO anything. At best you get a few irrelevant buffs to units no one played before and no one will play after, at worst they tank armies/strategies that haven't been considered particularly above the curve for months and introduce stupid bandaid rules changes like banning subfaction mixes.

There's no reason they can't drop things like the Castigator 60pts to get it in line with it's stats. There's no reason they can't bump NDKs by 20-25 per and put those bumps back into paladins. There's no reason to ban subfaction mixing when codexes like SoB were designed in a way that specifically encouraged it.

I hate Chapter Approved.

EDIT:Quoted the wrong post.

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xerxeskingofking wrote:
...but i suspect that the app was never intended to be a "battlescribe killer" by GW....


Until they start issuing DMCAs

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 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
xerxeskingofking wrote:
...but i suspect that the app was never intended to be a "battlescribe killer" by GW....


Until they start issuing DMCAs


No need. Battlescribe's been abandoned by its developer and will eventually die without software updates.

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ERJAK wrote:
I hate Chapter Approved.
I hate what Chapter Approved has become.

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 The Phazer wrote:
Dudeface wrote:


I seem to recall their latest business statements mentioned the delays and costs in the ERP project pushed development of all their other technical functions (i.e. apps) back 12 months, leaving customers hanging in the wind because they don't have their devs free to work on stuff.


It seems pretty implausible that the consumer app development team and the ERP devs are the same people, they're pretty disparate skill sets, and both are outsourced from GW as far as I know.

But the apps are clearly suffering from a lack of investment. The paint app, which everyone quite liked, has fallen behind and doesn't even cover the full range any more, and still doesn't have any way to sync your inventory. The army builder apps don't have tablet views yet! I don't think that's due to anything more than GW underinvesting and picking a dev team who aren't big enough to do what they want do to.


As an ERP developer irl - yes and no. It's commonplace for IT staff to be directly involved in those projects in various ways even if when it's not their full time job. ERP partners can charge upwards of £1,000 per day so you don't often pay them to handle all the mundane functions needed for an implementation, such as extracting data from the old ERP system, writing reports or interfaces to external systems. In larger organisations tasks like that often fall on the internal IT department.

New ERP systems are notoriously complex and tend to impact nearly all departments of a company to varying degree and delay or interfere with other smaller projects. I've lost count of the number of ambitious projects I've seen trimmed down in scope in order to get a system up and running with just the essentials.

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 Leth wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 Leth wrote:
Hammer head is gonna be 3+/4+ with a native reroll or 2+/3+ with a marker light. Its then going to wound most things on 2s and knights on 3s.

Not sure why people talk about it like its feast or famine when its 1 shot is much more reliable for getting results than 5+ shots of other weapons.

Hammer head is also 155 with two smart missile systems confirmed.


That requires markerlights, which is a cost.



A cost you are going to put on something you wanted to kill anyway. They are even easier to get now than they were before.

Also Feast or Famine is not really applicable when it is like 70-80%+. If 80% is feast or famine than it can apply to almost anything and loses all meaning.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the min size for units is 10, which means at least 110 for Pathfinders. A HH can not be said to reliably kill something with 12 wounds on it's own, so you want two lights. To get two lights you'll probably want to put 5 lights giving you room to fail a roll or two. This now makes the 155 point HH effectively 210 points.

Pathfinders are not known to be exceptionally durable and there are a few armies with good ooLOS shooting to take them out.

In "appropriate" terrain it's incredibly hard to draw sight across the table and if you can it's probably traversing dense terrain to do it.

   
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Glad you wrote "appropriate" like that...

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Now treat that as a fly model with 12-14 inch move(dont remember) that counts as stationary when advancing due to monkta, factoring that a model in terrain ignores the obscuring from that terrain, that GW event level of terrain is not standard, and that they have a 4-5 inch turret that allows them to draw LOS

Also pathfinders used to be min 4, so we will see. You can get markerlights on squad leaders and vehicles so its not limited to pathfinders.

You could also say the samething about any unit that gets buffs.They are 63% chance to kill a contemptor with no external buffs. Show me anything else thats even close to that at over 24 inches. If your answer is hive guard you are kinda proving my point.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Glad you wrote "appropriate" like that...


I'm trying to strike a balance...


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 Leth wrote:
Now treat that as a fly model with 12-14 inch move(dont remember) that counts as stationary when advancing due to monkta and factoring that a model in terrain ignores the obscuring from that terrain. Also factor in that GW event level of terrain is not standard.

Also pathfinders used to be min 4, so we will see. You can get markerlights on squad leaders and vehicles so its not limited to pathfinders.

You could also say the samething about any unit that gets buffs.They are 63% chance to kill a contemptor with no external buffs. Show me anything else thats even close to that at over 24 inches. If your answer is hive guard you are kinda proving my point.


Fly is the key there. It seems very likely that it will lose it, but...crazier things have happened.

Big damage guns are the counter to -1D. You won't find any unit as good, because the multiplicative effect of many shots against -1D makes the HH stand out.

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 Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
What if.... GW did free point updates, but only updated them via their app?


Isn't that exactly what they do?


Yea. It's bit funny they don't put them on pdf seeing same info is free on the app anyway. Guess PR for app then?


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 Laughing Man wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
Like 10 points on the Exorcist and Immolator (and straight up ignoring the Castigator which is the worst of the 3) is gonna do anything. The exorcist is 40pts overpriced MINIMUM and the immolator needs a 10pt drop on it's weapons IN ADDITION to the 10pt chassis drop to even see fringe play.

Gladiator Lancer goes from 190 pts to 175. Since no one here probably saw it on table*, for reference its heavy laser does on average ~5 damage. Meanwhile, Tau are getting the exact same tank spewing buckets of unsaveable wounds for ~140. Balance!

*insert dumb conspiracy theory endlessly peddled here how GW makes every new model broken, if you ignore 95% of cases, that is.

Exact same, except for the effective 2+ BS, multiple shots, higher toughness, stratagem access, etc.

Not saying the Lancer is any good or that it shouldn't be cheaper, but it's definitely a very different tank.


Tau has 3+ rerollable hit. That beats 2+ BS(hint: You miss 1/9 times. BS 2+ misses 1/6 times. 1/6 is more often than 1/9)

Multiple shots isn't that important if it causes 5 damage in average vs way higher tau vehicle has.

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tneva82 wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
What if.... GW did free point updates, but only updated them via their app?


Isn't that exactly what they do?


Yea. It's bit funny they don't put them on pdf seeing same info is free on the app anyway. Guess PR for app then?

I have no more need for a pdf with all points listed than for a book with tables and tables of points.

The few times I had one of the point update books, I used them maybe once or twice until wahapedia/battlescribe updated and then never again.

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Mchagen wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
In that case, it's slightly cheaper than Battlescribe!

Battlescribe beats the GW app by a country mile.


That's always been strange.

40k - Battlescribe trumps the 40k app, easily. Easier to use, easier to adjust, easier to read.

AoS- Hilariously, the WarCom Warscroll builder is far, far better than the AoS app.

It's sort of like DC making live action movies. GW just needs to realise this isn't their thing and throw the towel in and let someone else take it.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
ERJAK wrote:
How does a Plagueburst go down 15 when the Exorcist only goes down 10?
For the same reason that Eldar now get Obelisks: GW are bad at this.


There is also a disproportionate amount of firepower between Death Guard and Sisters of Battle. There is a reason why a lot of DG players tend to use the volkite contemptor(now being nerfed) as a crutch as the army isn't exactly known for heavy firepower in a game that is very much about firepower. The Plagueburst Crawler is a workhorse, but far from being OP.

There is also discussion that this is to remove "To The Last" 2nd objective as an auto-take from Death Guard.

Now to be fair I do think the Exorcist deserves some love(maybe get the LOS thing changed again), but comparing the two is a bit pointless as both factions work on completely different paradigms.


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Mchagen wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
In that case, it's slightly cheaper than Battlescribe!

Battlescribe beats the GW app by a country mile.


I agree, Battlescribe is a far superior product.

What does worry me is that I am hearing is the creator is MIA so nobody is supporting BS anymore on a development level(people are still making data files) which makes me worried about the future of Battlescribe.

Anybody have any info on that?

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 Eldarsif wrote:

Anybody have any info on that?


Nobody has heard from the guy in like a year now.

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tneva82 wrote:
Tau has 3+ rerollable hit. That beats 2+ BS(hint: You miss 1/9 times. BS 2+ misses 1/6 times. 1/6 is more often than 1/9)

Multiple shots isn't that important if it causes 5 damage in average vs way higher tau vehicle has.

Have I missed something official confirming that the HH is remaining at BS 3+? Last I heard it was unclear as to if it'd be 3+ or 4+ (with a reroll either way) to hit with the big gun...

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
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 Dysartes wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Tau has 3+ rerollable hit. That beats 2+ BS(hint: You miss 1/9 times. BS 2+ misses 1/6 times. 1/6 is more often than 1/9)

Multiple shots isn't that important if it causes 5 damage in average vs way higher tau vehicle has.

Have I missed something official confirming that the HH is remaining at BS 3+? Last I heard it was unclear as to if it'd be 3+ or 4+ (with a reroll either way) to hit with the big gun...


It's base BS 4+ with the reroll thing previewed on Warcom, and has access to +1 to hit from a couple of sources.

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 Platuan4th wrote:
 Eldarsif wrote:

Anybody have any info on that?


Nobody has heard from the guy in like a year now.


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