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Ancient Otter wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

There are rumours for a boxed set with Scouts vs. Eldar, and for some sort of KillTeam-cum-Space Hulk set that involves new Termies and supposedly new Genestealers.

Would make sense to hold off the Termies v Genestealers till after 10K launched with the new Termies.

They could use it as a release slot for both a proper multi-part Terminator kit and updated Genestealers without eating into the kit budget for the codex releases.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Ancient Otter wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

There are rumours for a boxed set with Scouts vs. Eldar, and for some sort of KillTeam-cum-Space Hulk set that involves new Termies and supposedly new Genestealers.

Would make sense to hold off the Termies v Genestealers till after 10K launched with the new Termies.

They could use it as a release slot for both a proper multi-part Terminator kit and updated Genestealers without eating into the kit budget for the codex releases.

Yes, that's the reasoning behind it as far as the rumourmongers see it. Also, Space Hulk and the classic GS vs Terminators pairing remains one of the most popular staples of the setting, and has made huge sales every time it was released. I personally suspect that it might be the next 'narrative expansion' box (i.e. like Ashes of Faith) that has not-Space-Hulk rules as the campaigny bit, outside of the regular season order.

Holidays would be a good time for a box like that.

Would they splash out on plastic tiles and walls or a KT Space Hulk....not that it matters to me as I probably wouldn't be able to get a copy.

IMO, the nature of Tyranids (specialist organisms for specific tasks) is not very compatible with KT, unless they go mixed organisms.

I cannot imagine a Stealer-only Kill Team with the various specialist roles.

I do hope that Genestealers get an updated sculpt (a reimagining of the classic look would be brilliant).

Old-Four-Arms wrote:
IMO, the nature of Tyranids (specialist organisms for specific tasks) is not very compatible with KT, unless they go mixed organisms.

I cannot imagine a Stealer-only Kill Team with the various specialist roles.

I do hope that Genestealers get an updated sculpt (a reimagining of the classic look would be brilliant).

A killteam could also work well with (canonically shape-shifting) Ymgarl stealers.

Old-Four-Arms wrote:
IMO, the nature of Tyranids (specialist organisms for specific tasks) is not very compatible with KT, unless they go mixed organisms.

I cannot imagine a Stealer-only Kill Team with the various specialist roles.

I do hope that Genestealers get an updated sculpt (a reimagining of the classic look would be brilliant).

Could do 10 man GS Cultists with upgrades and 5 model sprue of Purestrains.

 Olthannon wrote:
Has there been any info on when the Votann box is released seperately?

No definitive timeline, just that they and the Beastmen would be out over this summer.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
Has there been any info on when the Votann box is released seperately?

No definitive timeline, just that they and the Beastmen would be out over this summer.

Valrak at some point mentioned a Votann wave in September, which is now at least doubtful because they're not on the Codex roadmap for the next year or so, but that might be the box release, somehow. He also mentioned there was much more stuff for Beastmen ('lots of love' was the turn of phrase iirc), god knows where that would fit in.

My impression is that Kill Team has come to be a game that tap in to the expanded universe that you cant really make an army for, but people still want to see represented in models. It would be sad if they went the compleat opposite direction and made a genestealer/terminator box as a forced push for uppdating 40k units. Not to mention the total disrespect for the spirit of the game to have specialists and diverse agents instead of mono-equipped units.

Edit: same thing with the rumor of striking scorpions: they simply cant be organized in a flexible kill team without doing some serious violations of traditional eldar lore. It would be very sad indeed if they had to ruin the aspect concept, as well as locking new scorps in a KT box. Makes no sense.

KT Space Hulk sounds like a nice idea on paper but the mechanics of both systems are very different. SH has massively simplified board game mechanics with action points. And they must know that is where a lot of the appeal lies.
I expect with new Terminator sculpts we will get a new edition of Space Hulk but I doubt it will have any KT branding.

deano2099 wrote:
KT Space Hulk sounds like a nice idea on paper but the mechanics of both systems are very different. SH has massively simplified board game mechanics with action points. And they must know that is where a lot of the appeal lies.
I expect with new Terminator sculpts we will get a new edition of Space Hulk but I doubt it will have any KT branding.

SH already has absurdly large board layouts, with the embiggening of Terminators probably leading to bigger squares I shudder to think how big the boards will be. Or maybe they rewrite it after all these years.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
KT Space Hulk sounds like a nice idea on paper but the mechanics of both systems are very different. SH has massively simplified board game mechanics with action points. And they must know that is where a lot of the appeal lies.
I expect with new Terminator sculpts we will get a new edition of Space Hulk but I doubt it will have any KT branding.

SH already has absurdly large board layouts, with the embiggening of Terminators probably leading to bigger squares I shudder to think how big the boards will be. Or maybe they rewrite it after all these years.

Terminators are still on 40mm bases IIRC

Space Hulk has always used quite small tiles (between 25mm - 30mm IIRC), the new models would need custom bases like in the previous edition of Space Hulk.

I don't think we will see a Space Hulk themed KillTeam. Might be interesting to see a modern version of Hulk which uses the Boarding Actions terrain though?

 tauist wrote:
Space Hulk has always used quite small tiles (between 25mm - 30mm IIRC), the new models would need custom bases like in the previous edition of Space Hulk.

I don't think we will see a Space Hulk themed KillTeam. Might be interesting to see a modern version of Hulk which uses the Boarding Actions terrain though?

Could be a sort of campaign box that has rules for space hulk using boarding action terrain, but no actual terrain included

 tauist wrote:
Space Hulk has always used quite small tiles (between 25mm - 30mm IIRC), the new models would need custom bases like in the previous edition of Space Hulk.

...or simply terrain based on a larger tile/base size.

Quite a few sets of fan-designed terrain sets have gone this route.

 schoon wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Space Hulk has always used quite small tiles (between 25mm - 30mm IIRC), the new models would need custom bases like in the previous edition of Space Hulk.

...or simply terrain based on a larger tile/base size.

Quite a few sets of fan-designed terrain sets have gone this route.

I think that's the point AllSeeingSkink is making ; if you take some of the bigger 1st edition missions (Hammer & Anvil frex), you're looking at a layout/board that is 44 tiles long and 28 wide.

The 4th Ed. Space Hulk sculpts are very nice, but I am not a fan of the basing/poses ; in a game where facing is a factor, one should clearly see which is the front arc, etc.

Personally I would rather have GW release a new box of SH, all sized up and with lots of plastic terrain and not have a new KT box until Autumn in return.

I wouldn't buy it, but looking at the last box, the influx of models for players was really nice and the Stealers/Broodlord could use an update.

But first and foremost, keep the elite/leader models out of Kill Team. Their addition to the previous incarnation was terrible and started the cycle of power creep. Current KT is surprisingly balanced even 2 years in and honestly does not work at all with super elite teams or bland teams. AC just barely works, because you can take SoS, but is still not very liked because they are boring to play and frustrating to play against. And the Nid Team only works because you can take 2 fire squads and I doubt many people will take 2xStealers. They are very boring to play because all you do is charge on mass. KT has managed to be a lot more tactical than 40K and I hope it stays like that.

 GiToRaZor wrote:
Personally I would rather have GW release a new box of SH, all sized up and with lots of plastic terrain and not have a new KT box until Autumn in return.

Note that there will in fact not be a Kill Team box until fall, as per the roadmap from Warhammer Fest (spoilered for size):



10th ed taking precedence and all that.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Valrak at some point mentioned a Votann wave in September, which is now at least doubtful because they're not on the Codex roadmap for the next year or so, but that might be the box release, somehow. He also mentioned there was much more stuff for Beastmen ('lots of love' was the turn of phrase iirc), god knows where that would fit in.

I might wrong but wasn't the Votann for September rumour not one of his but just him commenting on a list of rumours that had been posted about 10th [which has since been disproved] ?

Fayric wrote:My impression is that Kill Team has come to be a game that tap in to the expanded universe that you cant really make an army for, but people still want to see represented in models. It would be sad if they went the compleat opposite direction and made a genestealer/terminator box as a forced push for uppdating 40k units. Not to mention the total disrespect for the spirit of the game to have specialists and diverse agents instead of mono-equipped units.

Edit: same thing with the rumor of striking scorpions: they simply cant be organized in a flexible kill team without doing some serious violations of traditional eldar lore. It would be very sad indeed if they had to ruin the aspect concept, as well as locking new scorps in a KT box. Makes no sense.

For Nids I'd love to see them do a proper killteam with biomorphs/rare strains to give the unit more variety while exploring how weird and interesting Nids can get. Creatures can be literally designed for a specific role by the hive mind that perhaps would be seen/influence a 40k level engagement.
I get what you are saying with Scorpions as well but they could deepen the lore around the shrines by having scorpion themed specialists to give variety while showing the more esoteric side of the Aspects. Its always been implied that the shrines are not homogeneous its just what we seat the 40k level.Tricky to do well but could add a lot of granular depth to long established factions, obviously theregualr squad would stay more or less the same for the 40k version.

GiToRaZor wrote:Personally I would rather have GW release a new box of SH, all sized up and with lots of plastic terrain and not have a new KT box until Autumn in return.

I wouldn't buy it, but looking at the last box, the influx of models for players was really nice and the Stealers/Broodlord could use an update.
And the Nid Team only works because you can take 2 fire squads and I doubt many people will take 2xStealers. They are very boring to play because all you do is charge on mass. KT has managed to be a lot more tactical than 40K and I hope it stays like that.

I did read at the time that they had designed a plastic set of tiles/terrain for the last edition of Spacehulk but scrapped it due to cost.
Again my above wish for a proper Nid Killteam with biomorph adaptations to add specialists I think is needed to make Nids more interesting. I've seen some cracking conversions for it like The Modern Synthesist's warrior and gaunt killteam and Hive Fleet Moloch's original Killteam conversions- he had a psycher/lictor beast, a sniper critter etc.. Plus the way they have introduced new strains in Leviathan I think opens a lot of options model wise..

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
KT Space Hulk sounds like a nice idea on paper but the mechanics of both systems are very different. SH has massively simplified board game mechanics with action points. And they must know that is where a lot of the appeal lies.
I expect with new Terminator sculpts we will get a new edition of Space Hulk but I doubt it will have any KT branding.

SH already has absurdly large board layouts, with the embiggening of Terminators probably leading to bigger squares I shudder to think how big the boards will be. Or maybe they rewrite it after all these years.

Terminators are still on 40mm bases IIRC

Space Hulk tiles are 30mm squares.

I used 28mm bases for my Terminators rather than the 40's and for the old Terminators that was fine. 32mm bases kind of work but the models need to be staggered if you have a bunch of them in a line.

The new models don't look like they'd fit on 28mm bases or possibly not even 32mm bases.


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Old-Four-Arms wrote:

 schoon wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Space Hulk has always used quite small tiles (between 25mm - 30mm IIRC), the new models would need custom bases like in the previous edition of Space Hulk.

...or simply terrain based on a larger tile/base size.

Quite a few sets of fan-designed terrain sets have gone this route.

I think that's the point AllSeeingSkink is making ; if you take some of the bigger 1st edition missions (Hammer & Anvil frex), you're looking at a layout/board that is 44 tiles long and 28 wide.

Yeah exactly, SH feels like a game you should be able to set up and play in a relatively small area, but actually you need a decent sized table. Increasing the square size another 10mm up from 30mm would mean you probably need a full sized gaming table for it if not more.

The 4th Ed. Space Hulk sculpts are very nice, but I am not a fan of the basing/poses ; in a game where facing is a factor, one should clearly see which is the front arc, etc.

I agree, they're nice models for a diorama, but as gaming pieces they were a bit annoying. Also it seemed a bit un-Terminator-like that they all had such dynamic poses. Even the basic old Terminators I thought were too dynamic. For the new Terminators GW has made them more statuesque, which I think is half of what I like about them.

I think the genestealers vs terminators rumours are just based around the Gallowdark season of Kill team coming out alongside the rumours of new terminators.

With Terminators in the Leviathan box I don't think they would be such an instant sell out in a Kill team box.

I think the interesting thing will be whether a new lictor kit comes out in the Leviathan reinforcement sets, as if not then we could see a kill team kit there

 Tastyfish wrote:
I think the genestealers vs terminators rumours are just based around the Gallowdark season of Kill team coming out alongside the rumours of new terminators.

With Terminators in the Leviathan box I don't think they would be such an instant sell out in a Kill team box.

I dunno. Those models are mono pose and are currently locked in a $250 box that has sold out

A multi pose terminator kit with things like storm shields, lightning claws, or upgrades like apothecaries would probably do very well. Especially if the other team also has cool models

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:
I think the genestealers vs terminators rumours are just based around the Gallowdark season of Kill team coming out alongside the rumours of new terminators.

With Terminators in the Leviathan box I don't think they would be such an instant sell out in a Kill team box.

I dunno. Those models are mono pose and are currently locked in a $250 box that has sold out

A multi pose terminator kit with things like storm shields, lightning claws, or upgrades like apothecaries would probably do very well. Especially if the other team also has cool models

Also we had something similar with Kill Team Pariah Nexus in 9th where the models where all completely new and obviously part of the starter faction waves but where part of a kill team box before going to general release so it seems believable that they would do something similar with multipart Terminators and new genestealers

 Matrindur wrote:

Also we had something similar with Kill Team Pariah Nexus in 9th where the models where all completely new and obviously part of the starter faction waves but where part of a kill team box before going to general release so it seems believable that they would do something similar with multipart Terminators and new genestealers

Could also just be a new 40k battle box, like the Incubi vs. Howling Banshees set from a few years back.

I can see a new Tyranid Killteam (or two) coming in the next Season, would fit right in with the Jungle World theme of S3

But Terminators vs Genestealers? Nope, not seeing it. KT21 isn't 40K lite anymore, it's more like Xcom now, a game of specialist operatives duking it out

 tauist wrote:
I can see a new Tyranid Killteam (or two) coming in the next Season, would fit right in with the Jungle World theme of S3

But Terminators vs Genestealers? Nope, not seeing it. KT21 isn't 40K lite anymore, it's more like Xcom now, a game of specialist operatives duking it out

Eh. KT is one of those things that is what it is right up until GW changes its mind and it becomes something completely different.

Anyone have any clue when/if Arbites will be back in stock?

 Matrindur wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Tastyfish wrote:
I think the genestealers vs terminators rumours are just based around the Gallowdark season of Kill team coming out alongside the rumours of new terminators.

With Terminators in the Leviathan box I don't think they would be such an instant sell out in a Kill team box.

I dunno. Those models are mono pose and are currently locked in a $250 box that has sold out

A multi pose terminator kit with things like storm shields, lightning claws, or upgrades like apothecaries would probably do very well. Especially if the other team also has cool models

Also we had something similar with Kill Team Pariah Nexus in 9th where the models where all completely new and obviously part of the starter faction waves but where part of a kill team box before going to general release so it seems believable that they would do something similar with multipart Terminators and new genestealers

It's too soon. First Kill team box of the new season is going to be september-ish but we know the codex waves for Tyranids and Marines is coming out shortly after 12th July and that there is potentially £1000 worth of new kits for both sides.
I think we'll see a proper release of the terminators and sternguard then.

Tyranid and Marine codexes are autumn, not July.