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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Overread wrote:
Except these are Chaos Demons and basically everything Chaos cross complies in almost all the games when it comes to the Demons. About the only things that don't are things like the Brass Scorpion and its like - ergo machines.

All the organics and beasties and demon entities cross over all the games - heck most of the 30K Chaos Demon models are from the other lines in FW.


No, these are Daemons of the Ruinstorm, they are so explicitly tied to one particular event that it's in their actual name. The daemonic forces of the Four cross over into everything Warhammery because the Four are in everything Warhammery. And don't kid on, the bleating about this has nothing to do with the fact they happen to be daemons, it's just yet another example in a long, unending line of examples of 40K players viewing 30K as nothing more than a source of add-on units for their 40K armies rather than its own setting and system.

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Overread wrote:Except these are Chaos Demons and basically everything Chaos cross complies in almost all the games when it comes to the Demons. About the only things that don't are things like the Brass Scorpion and its like - ergo machines.

All the organics and beasties and demon entities cross over all the games - heck most of the 30K Chaos Demon models are from the other lines in FW.


It is stupid, that's kinda the cool thing about daemons, you can use them in both. They're daemons ergo..should work for both.
   
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You could just run them as Chaos Spawn, but that's a hefty pricetag. I like the sculpts, but not that much.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Except these are Chaos Demons and basically everything Chaos cross complies in almost all the games when it comes to the Demons. About the only things that don't are things like the Brass Scorpion and its like - ergo machines.

All the organics and beasties and demon entities cross over all the games - heck most of the 30K Chaos Demon models are from the other lines in FW.


No, these are Daemons of the Ruinstorm, they are so explicitly tied to one particular event that it's in their actual name. The daemonic forces of the Four cross over into everything Warhammery because the Four are in everything Warhammery. And don't kid on, the bleating about this has nothing to do with the fact they happen to be daemons, it's just yet another example in a long, unending line of examples of 40K players viewing 30K as nothing more than a source of add-on units for their 40K armies rather than its own setting and system.


Or, accept that maybe they'll sell a lot more for spending a little time making 2 more datasheets, for a unit that exists in the warpmand hence is utterly timeless and simultaneously coexists with 40k.

These guys having rules for 40k makes more sense than any of the marine vehicles, units or characters that port over. 30k eliteism aside, having a creature borne of emotions, in a timeless environment only ever exist for 1 event?
   
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I wonder how they compare to the Charonite Ogryns as they are a near similar price:

   
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About ten years ago I viewed FW prices as a little on the high side, but still acceptable for the generally high standards of models that they sold.

At some point down the line the prices seem to have skyrocketed up, way ahead of inflation, to become unpalatable.

I wonder if the pricing has indeed increased astronomically, or if my perception is off?

One thing that immediately springs to mind is the Renegade Psyker, recently re-released as part of the Necromunda line. I’m fairly sure that the price on initial release was £10, and that was as part of a two figure bundle, so call it £5.

Now it is priced at £15 on its own.
   
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 Yodhrin wrote:
You guys realise you're basically asking GW to provide 40K rules for Skaven Rat-ogres, right?

If you want to play 30K units, play 30K. Or, counts-as something else.


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Dudeface wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Except these are Chaos Demons and basically everything Chaos cross complies in almost all the games when it comes to the Demons. About the only things that don't are things like the Brass Scorpion and its like - ergo machines.

All the organics and beasties and demon entities cross over all the games - heck most of the 30K Chaos Demon models are from the other lines in FW.


No, these are Daemons of the Ruinstorm, they are so explicitly tied to one particular event that it's in their actual name. The daemonic forces of the Four cross over into everything Warhammery because the Four are in everything Warhammery. And don't kid on, the bleating about this has nothing to do with the fact they happen to be daemons, it's just yet another example in a long, unending line of examples of 40K players viewing 30K as nothing more than a source of add-on units for their 40K armies rather than its own setting and system.


Or, accept that maybe they'll sell a lot more for spending a little time making 2 more datasheets, for a unit that exists in the warpmand hence is utterly timeless and simultaneously coexists with 40k.

These guys having rules for 40k makes more sense than any of the marine vehicles, units or characters that port over. 30k eliteism aside, having a creature borne of emotions, in a timeless environment only ever exist for 1 event?


But isn't the point of Forgeworld to do those nice models that would otherwise not be done? If not this, why would head office not splurge out these models in plastic from GW and get them to feature in every supplement for AoS and 40k, re-writing the fluff to sell more models? The answer is perhaps someone is around who cares for the setting a little bit. This gives me some confidence.



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It's amazing that someone would actually complain about people wanting stuff from the 40k universe to have rules in 40k. But then again, you'd have to be a mark to spend £75+ on models that will be of worse quality than recasts at less than half the price.

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 blood reaper wrote:
It's amazing that someone would actually complain about people wanting stuff from the 40k universe to have rules in 40k. But then again, you'd have to be a mark to spend £75+ on models that will be of worse quality than recasts at less than half the price.


Not that recasts are legal or ethical, but the last time I read a discussion over "recasts" it was on an AoS board where a member literally said you're stealing from GW if you mould a head from a kit to give it to all members of the unit (it was about the ghastly Joker bonedudes) instead of buying a kit for each of those heads.


The Ruinstorm demons have something - or lack something - that makes me not like them too much. They're decent Demon McDemonfaces, but not something I can drool over.


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 blood reaper wrote:
It's amazing that someone would actually complain about people wanting stuff from the 40k universe to have rules in 40k. But then again, you'd have to be a mark to spend £75+ on models that will be of worse quality than recasts at less than half the price.


I agree that the prices are high, but supporting recasters is not the answer. In the long term it kills the industry.

It could be argued that the increased presence of recasters is what has made FW raise the prices, but it’s a bit of a circular argument.

   
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 Binabik15 wrote:
 blood reaper wrote:
It's amazing that someone would actually complain about people wanting stuff from the 40k universe to have rules in 40k. But then again, you'd have to be a mark to spend £75+ on models that will be of worse quality than recasts at less than half the price.


Not that recasts are legal or ethical, but the last time I read a discussion over "recasts" it was on an AoS board where a member literally said you're stealing from GW if you mould a head from a kit to give it to all members of the unit (it was about the ghastly Joker bonedudes) instead of buying a kit for each of those heads.



It's entirely unethical; the problem is that at £75 these sculpts look relatively mediocre compared to similarly priced models and come with all the wonders of Forge World resin. I can't imagine they have much in the way of options either. It's no surprise people are inclined towards cheaper alternatives.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
 blood reaper wrote:
It's amazing that someone would actually complain about people wanting stuff from the 40k universe to have rules in 40k. But then again, you'd have to be a mark to spend £75+ on models that will be of worse quality than recasts at less than half the price.


I agree that the prices are high, but supporting recasters is not the answer. In the long term it kills the industry.

It could be argued that the increased presence of recasters is what has made FW raise the prices, but it’s a bit of a circular argument.



Well, it's obviously not; the prices were astronomical before recasts became a widespread thing, plus someone who goes about buying recasts was unlikely to buy from Forge World in the first place. There appears to have been no significant drop in Forge World's sales either.

Needless to say, this isn't a thread to have this discussion.

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 IGtR= wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Except these are Chaos Demons and basically everything Chaos cross complies in almost all the games when it comes to the Demons. About the only things that don't are things like the Brass Scorpion and its like - ergo machines.

All the organics and beasties and demon entities cross over all the games - heck most of the 30K Chaos Demon models are from the other lines in FW.


No, these are Daemons of the Ruinstorm, they are so explicitly tied to one particular event that it's in their actual name. The daemonic forces of the Four cross over into everything Warhammery because the Four are in everything Warhammery. And don't kid on, the bleating about this has nothing to do with the fact they happen to be daemons, it's just yet another example in a long, unending line of examples of 40K players viewing 30K as nothing more than a source of add-on units for their 40K armies rather than its own setting and system.


Or, accept that maybe they'll sell a lot more for spending a little time making 2 more datasheets, for a unit that exists in the warpmand hence is utterly timeless and simultaneously coexists with 40k.

These guys having rules for 40k makes more sense than any of the marine vehicles, units or characters that port over. 30k eliteism aside, having a creature borne of emotions, in a timeless environment only ever exist for 1 event?


But isn't the point of Forgeworld to do those nice models that would otherwise not be done? If not this, why would head office not splurge out these models in plastic from GW and get them to feature in every supplement for AoS and 40k, re-writing the fluff to sell more models? The answer is perhaps someone is around who cares for the setting a little bit. This gives me some confidence.


Nobody is clamouring for a trio of undivided daemons, which makes them a niche release, perfect for fw and not ideal for a major cross system release.

As for someone who cares for the setting, remeber these daemons exist in a timeless plane and for them the ruinstorm is happening the same time as the siege of terra, as the eye being created, as the dark age of technology etc. To pocket them into "these are daemons from this 1 time these daemons ever existed" is actually counter to the setting.

Business wise, release a pack of 3 dudes for over £70, appeal to the minority player base of 30k and nobody else = few sales, which tells them not to bother making stuff like this. Advertise it to all game systems = lots of sales, which means make more unique stuff.
   
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 IGtR= wrote:

But isn't the point of Forgeworld to do those nice models that would otherwise not be done?

This used to be the point of Forge World, but since they've taken most of their old range behind the sheds for summary execution, Devil only knows what their raison d'etre is anymore, beyond Contemptor Dreadnought variants for 30k players.

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The Daemons of the Ruinstorm list was very specifically supposed to provide differentiation between 40k and 30k daemons, showing a time where the very concept of a daemon was not as solidified as in 40k. Porting the 30k rules directly would nullify the whole reason for creating a Daemons of the Ruinstorm list rather than just porting the 40k rules in the first place.

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Aquilons, who also come on 50mm bases, now look like a joke, price wise. Even more so, that these would cost me 82 euros if I bought them in pounds, but they go to whooping 92 euros per 3. Pretty looking models though.

   
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Daemons of the Ruinstorm represent Daemons before anything about them was understood, they are supposed to be entirely generic as the army list is one of if not the most flexible and creative there is in any of the games. These three are 'Brutes', which are large elites and bodyguard for daemon lords in the same manner as tyranid guards protect a hive tyrant. So these are basically Chaos Undivided and have formed from the racial memory of humanity's concept of 'devils'.

I think they are wonderful sculpts. I'll be building my own, more eldritch, daemons for my army, but they're a very nice mini.



 
   
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Suprisingly, Forgeworld have made the amazing choice to sell new Moriax Knight weapons seperately!:





And the Reaver Carapace Vulcan:

   
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Shame the Moirax Chassis is only sold with weapons.

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Great if you want to magnetise the existing chassis, but I like to run a lot of knights so it would have been the decent thing to do both. As it stands its a 35% ish mark up if you want to run lots of Moirax over the original weapons.

I've emailed asking them if they will bundle the new weapons with the chassis, if not I'm not buying them, and I buy all the new knight models.

Edit: Response from FW:
Hi Looky Likey,

Thanks for the email.
We have no plans right now to sell just the resin portion of the Moirax as an upgrade kit.

As advertised, the sets are currently sold as a full kit including the plastic Armaer chassis.

I will forward your email over to our production team to look into further but for now and for the foreseeable future we will not have these sets available as an upgrade, only full kits.

Kind regards



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There's also a one week Made to Order young Bilbo Baggins:



https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Young-Bilbo-MTO-2019

   
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 Looky Likey wrote:
Great if you want to magnetise the existing chassis, but I like to run a lot of knights so it would have been the decent thing to do both. As it stands its a 35% ish mark up if you want to run lots of Moirax over the original weapons.

I've emailed asking them if they will bundle the new weapons with the chassis, if not I'm not buying them, and I buy all the new knight models.

Edit: Response from FW:
Hi Looky Likey,

Thanks for the email.
We have no plans right now to sell just the resin portion of the Moirax as an upgrade kit.

As advertised, the sets are currently sold as a full kit including the plastic Armaer chassis.

I will forward your email over to our production team to look into further but for now and for the foreseeable future we will not have these sets available as an upgrade, only full kits.

Kind regards



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30K rules updated:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Mechanicum_Knight_Moirax.pdf

Conversion beamer looks tasty as it doesn't have the typical damnable Firing Calibration rule typical of them.
   
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There's also a one week Made to Order young Bilbo Baggins:



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A face only a mother could love...

Looks accurate to me...


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Oh dear that sword (sting?) looks very basic, and the paint on it is a [redacted], shudder

although I suspect the figure under there is decent enough

 
   
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Sting itself is quite a basic weapon all told, esp when rendered in a small miniature; paintwork would be where it would shine or not (yes I see the pun too).

Honestly I'm still rather shocked FW gets away with paint of that calibre. I mean yeah a year ago they had some newbie artists, but you'd think they'd have sort of improved significantly since then. I'm not expecting "Infinity/Golden Demon" level painting but that face painting is awful for a product photo taken that close.


IT might look perfectly fine for tabletop, but for this kind of shot - yeah bare resin would have been preferable!

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Since the Middle-earth team moved to Forge World, there have been quite a few figures painted so badly (partially from a technical point of view, in part from noticable things like strangely painted eyes) that it did indeed take pictures of unpainted casts, or versions painted by the community, to realise the sculpt itself is absolutely fine. When the paintjobs are making people less likely to buy the products, it might be worth considering some changes...

On another note, I like how the Middle-earth team operates so differently that they just do their own thing, like making these WHW/event-exclusives available online for a limited time.
Just a shame FW's shipping policy for most of the world is garbage (currently 10€ to ship this tiny Hobbit, which doesn't weigh a thing and takes up no space, to Finland), making repeated small orders way too expensive. Added some items to get the previous three (Bard/Legolas/Tauriel), but they simply don't have enough products available through Forge World to get above Free Shipping more than a few times. To clarify, I don't actually mind paying postage, but the charged rates are well beyond the costs here.

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Oh dear that sword (sting?) looks very basic, and the paint on it is a [redacted], shudder

You know, it's funny, 40K painting style is not really my thing, but a lot of time when I look at it, I am in awe at execution level. Every knuckle/stitch/hair individually highlighted, every gem and eye perfectly blended and shinied, even when they rush it's often beyond most of players will ever achieve. And that is the 'entry' range.

FW, tho? When I look at that garbage, I wonder what director pulled strings to hire his teenage nephew. Despite supposedly exclusive, high end range FW wants to (hopefully) target, most of the time my impression of their painters is 'I'd have done that better for free' or 'was he drunk?'. How you take something as easy to do well as 30K custodes and produce one of the worst painted ranges in GW history I'll never know...

 Yodhrin wrote:
No, these are Daemons of the Ruinstorm, they are so explicitly tied to one particular event that it's in their actual name. The daemonic forces of the Four cross over into everything Warhammery because the Four are in everything Warhammery. And don't kid on, the bleating about this has nothing to do with the fact they happen to be daemons, it's just yet another example in a long, unending line of examples of 40K players viewing 30K as nothing more than a source of add-on units for their 40K armies rather than its own setting and system.

So what?

Not only, as pointed above, daemons are timeless and if they existed in 30K, they exist in 40K (or during DAoT, for that matter), but FW had big opportunity to add to 40K lore and make Armless look less like a failure by actually having him do something of actual consequence by making the rules for the Daemons of the Cicatrix Maledictum (or whatever) representing new, unknown daemon forms created by upsurge of Chaos in the wake of apocalyptic tear, but apparently they don't have the imagination or creativity required. If laughably puny and weak warp storms of 30K could create a big wave of demonic activity, then vastly stronger disturbance ending M41 should have done a hundred times that. Alas, why bother doing so when you can spend another decade doodling '40K iz the suxxxorz' on unfinished draft of Cyraxus?

And yeah, the nerve of 40K players. Demanding FW actually does 5 minutes of work to open their new product to vastly greater customer pool (and hopefully lower prices a bit by relying on volume, not margin of sales), the entitled scumbags and their dirty casual money must never touch the holy purewank icon of grognards or the illusion of exclusivity and whatever denials the two remaining 30K players whisper to themselves before ordering 100 quid per two infantry models will explode or something
   
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Not sure if this is good or bad but the chaos demons and princes are delisted for 40K and AoS and now only appear under Horus Heresy listings.

Heck the Chaos demons tab for 40K is EMPTY

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