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I am have an 1850 Ork list which is mostly foot-slogging and need some advice on a Loota support unit. This isn't a tournament build – I don't have the vehicle models...yet.

With the points I have available I can run my 15 Loota squad or can go to a 12 Loota squad with a Looted Wagon (Big Shoota, Grot Rigger). Is the added mobility worth the lost shots/wounds?

On another subject, nobs, for the points I can use my squad of 10 Nobs and add a Trukk, or run 8 of the Nobs in a BWagon, or 7 Nobs in a BWagon with Def Rolla. I have the Nobs but I would have to buy a Trukk or Battle Wagon so I am trying to convince myself to spend the money on the BWagon with Def Rolla.

Sure one Battle Wagon in an 1850 list would be the target, but if they are shooting at that they aren't shooting something else.

Thanks in advance for your comments and consideration.

Well without really knowing what is in your list its hard to help out.

I love lootas, They are one of the best units Orks have. A squad of 15 is what I use. Well actually 2 squads of 15. As far as adding the looted wagon.

You were not planning on putting them in there were you?

If so that is a horrible Idea. If the tank get shaken then those Lootas will not fire and waste there turn. If it gets blown up you will lsoe to many Lootas and possible get pinnede affectively losing firepower. Keeps the lootas on foot if you plan on taking them.

So please post your full list to help us help you.

I'm just going to post the list that I've been using for the last 3 years here, and it's been working quite well. I'm just posting it for reference and it's worked well for me. It's a 1,750pt list so the additional 100pts could go into turning the Trukks into Battlewagons. The reason I'm posting this is because I run a list that centres around Nobz and Lootas, so here's mine:

HQ:

Ghazghkull - 225

Warboss - 120
-Power Klaw
-Kombi-Skorcha
-'Eavy Armour
-Cybork Body
-Attack Squig

Elites:

10 Lootas - 150

10 Lootas - 150

Troops:

10 Nobz - 440
Nob 1 - Cybork Body, Painboy
Nob 2 - Cybork Body, Power Klaw, Waaagh! Banner
Nob 3 - Cybork Body, Power Klaw
Nob 4 - Cybork Body, Big Choppa, Bosspole
Nob 5 - Cybork Body, Big Choppa
Nob 6 - Cybork Body, Big Choppa, 'Eavy Armour
Nob 7 - Cybork Body, Kombi - Skorcha
Nob 8 - Cybork Body, Twin-Linked Shoota
Nob 9 - Cybork Body, 'Eavy Armour
Nob 10 - Cybork Body
Trukk - Red Paint Job, Reinforced Ram and Armour Plates

10 Nobz - 430
Nob 1 - Cybork Body, Painboy
Nob 2 - Cybork Body, Power Klaw, 'Eavy Armour
Nob 3 - Cybork Body, Power Klaw
Nob 4 - Cybork Body, Big Choppa, Bosspole
Nob 5 - Cybork Body, Big Choppa
Nob 6 - Cybork Body, Big Choppa, 'Eavy Armour
Nob 7 - Cybork Body, Kombi - Skorcha
Nob 8 - Cybork Body, Twin-Linked Shoota
Nob 9 - Cybork Body, 'Eavy Armour
Nob 10 - Cybork Body
Trukk - Red Paint Job, Reinforced Ram and Armour Plates

30 Boyz - 235
-3 Big Shootas
-Nob w/ Power Klaw and Bosspole

Total: 1,750

As usual I agree with Balsak, Lootas on foot is the best way to go, so there's no tendency for you to want to move the vehicle that they would be in and again that pinning and the explosion (even at strength 3) can cause you some trouble. I don't really like Looted Wagons. They don't really do much unless you strap a boomgun to it and if you do you have an open-topped Rhino for over 100pts, it is to many points for such a flimsy vehicle, not to mention that on average once per game it will fly straight into the centre of the board.

As for your Nobz, either go for the Trukk or the Battlewagon with the Deff Rolla. Most people would say the Battlewagon but I think that both options have their merits and it depends on how you want to use them.

When using the Trukk, you are going to want to be moving at full speed in order to dart between pieces of cover in order to avoid the Trukks getting blown up. The speed of it is an advantage as it increases the manouverability of your army which is important but you are also not spending very many points on the Trukk itself, leaving you more to spend on Lootas and Nobz.

The Battlewagon is less speedy, but it makes up for this in survivability. Also, 7 Nobz are likely to do the job anyway, so you could say that why bother with 10. If you would only take one Battlewagon, I wouldn't bother though, as all of your opponents melta/lance/S9+ weaponary is going to be aimed directly at the Battlewagon and you are going to end up with your Nobz stuck on your side of the board. A trukk is slightly smaller and easier to hide.

So really, it's a case of personal preference, most peoples being the Battlewagon.

On the case of the list that I've put as an example, a lot of people don't rate it and tell me how sucky it is but I've done pretty well with it over the last 3 years and it has been enjoyable enough to keep me playing it for all of that time. If you like it feel free to use it and if you want any help using it just PM me or something. I'll be happy to help.

Hope this is useful.

@ rampage 10 nobs is so overkill and you are throwing away points that can be used on so many more valuable things. Putting a 400 pt unit in a trukk is simply foolish as it will be shot up and taking down right away.

Suffice to say and to be honest it is a poorly thought out list. Sorry if I sound harsh but I see you winning very few games. You need to take more boys. If anything take 2 groups of 2 boys and lower your nobs to 7 each unit. that way you don't total your whole list but at least it is more playable.

Hell dropping Ghazz would free up a ton of points for some more support.

I really don't see what he is really doing in this list. Ghazz is better for foot slogging were his waagh is more useful.

I would have to wonder as well. How do you win with this list?

skycapt44 wrote:@ rampage 10 nobs is so overkill and you are throwing away points that can be used on so many more valuable things. Putting a 400 pt unit in a trukk is simply foolish as it will be shot up and taking down right away.

Suffice to say and to be honest it is a poorly thought out list. Sorry if I sound harsh but I see you winning very few games. You need to take more boys. If anything take 2 groups of 2 boys and lower your nobs to 7 each unit. that way you don't total your whole list but at least it is more playable.

No that's fair enough, I said that most people don't like it. Actually though, as I say I've been using this list for 3 years and have never come in the bottom 50% at a tournament with it. I just thought it would be a crazy useless idea when I first started using it because I thought that the Trukks would just keep getting shot in my deployment zone leaving the Nobz way back, but I found that it fitted my play style very well and actually worked for me.

I've only had one game in 3 years where both of the Trukks have failed to deliver a Nobz squad (the reinforced rams mean that I can park in cover without worrying about being immobilised) into the enemy deployment zone and that was when fighting a Grey Knights army that was running no less than 5 Dreadnoughts with Twin-Linked Autocannons and Psybolt Ammunition (3 of which were venerable). I can hide the Trukks behind cover pretty well, thus allowing them to survive.

The reason for the 10 nobz in each squad is because they can jump out of their Trukks, crush a unit, and then take a few shots and still have the strength to maul a few more units.

The Boyz sit back and camp on objectives, again, going with the overkill theme but that squad is extremely hard to shift and almost guarentees me at least a draw in most Capture and Control games, you struggle to pump enough shots into that unit to kill it (especially if it's on an objective in cover) and not much would want to get near it.

Add in the Lootas to provide a long range element to deal with armies that are faster than me such as Dark Eldar. All in all, with my play style I find that this list goes past barely playable for me and can be decently competitive as it fits my play style near enough perfectly.

Ghaz is mainly there to provide the essential 6" run move, with it I can make a 27" charge (13" Trukk move, 2" disembark, 6" run, 6" charge) so even if the tournament in question suffers from a lack of cover then I can find a piece of cover near the centre of the board and be able to charge near enough everything. I tried using the list without Ghazghkull once using a standard warboss and I found that Ghaz adds enough to the list in terms of the POTW and his al round beastiness that he is worthwhile taking.

But this thread isn't really about my list, I'm merely suggesting a list that the OP could use as a template if they think that it would fit their play style.

Again, I am not looking to add too much or build my list to tournament level — I can afford to spend about a Battlewagon – I could use that money on more bikes or buggies or a single Deff Dread.

On the idea of a looted wagon for the Lootas, I was thinking more in Dawn of War they could move, disembark and run to set up when they came on the board as opposed to walking on. I wouldn't be using it as a transport after that. A vehicle can also block line of sight on a flank or create an obstacle for an enemy assault.

HQ: Warboss (118 pts)

HQ: Big Mek, (105 pts)

Elite: 15 Lootas (225 pts)

Elite: 8 Kommandos w/ Snikrot (195 pts)

Elite: 9 Nobz 1 Painboy (305 pts)

Troops: 2 x 30 Boyz (30 , 215 pts)

Fast Attack:6 x Warbikers (185 pts)

Fast Attack: 2 x Warbuggies (60 pts)

Heavy Support: 2 x Looted Wagon Boom Gun (220 pts)

Painted and complete

I have the bits and pieces to build Burna Boyz so I could dump the Nobz and add Burnas at no $ cost (I could then give the Burnas a looted wagon instead of the Lootas). I have 7 more Kommandos so I could change the list at no additional cost that way.

Rampage: Thanks for the break out on the Nobz, I like to see how different people kit them out. Also thanks for the input on the Trukks and BWs. I think less Nobs with more speed sounds like fun, 7 in a trukk would also leave points to add another klaw.