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Hello

I was wandering would eldar fight amongst each other.
And i mean two craftworlds against eachother, not DE and Normal ones.

Probably not, no. This is a culture that has been around longer than all of humanity has ever existed (tens of millions of years). Any differences between Craftworlds would be settled diplomatically, or they would just agree to disagree, or simply sail off in opposite directions, never to see one another again. The galaxy is a really big place, after all.

In order to provoke violence amongst the Eldar themselves, it would have to be a truly heinous, terrible thing involved. This is, after all, a race on the edge of extinction.

Alaitoc - not a chance
Yme-Loc - no way
Biel-Tan - their entire existence is dedicated to spreading the Eldar realm, not killing it off internally.
Ulthwé - highly unlikely
Iyanden - nope.
Lugganath - nope
Kaelor - they are too far away to fight anyone at all, although it should be noted that a civil war has been fought on this craftworld resulting in the Farseers no longer being the leading entities of this craftworld. No Aspect Warriors were involved in this conflict.
Dorhai - isolationists, avoids all outside contact.
Black Library - I'll let you guess this one.

Saim-Hann - yes, but only if you insulted their mother, spoke about their mother, thought about their mother, looked in the general direction of their mother, or could potentially do any of the above at any point in your, or you progenies', life time. Otherwise they don't fight other Eldar. (Also, you can replace "mother" with any word of your choosing. Yeah, they're flying rodent gak crazy)

So the answer is: no, unless one of the craftworlds are Saim-Hann. They're just about the only ones declaring war/raids on other craftworlds.

Yes, they fight each other. They try to avoid it but Farseers often disagree about which strings to pull to manipulate the future. There was a battle report in WD between Alatoic and and Ulthwe back in the day iirc.

Okay so i take it its Possible but unlikely for Eldar to turn against eachother.

Yeah, extremely unlikely.

It happens, but it's extremely rare and usually seen as disastrous. Low morale and frantic negotiations happen throughout the fighting.

It happened in Retribution (if you play Eldar campaign) , but personally, I don't count DoW series as canon.

A war between two craftworlds isn't a civil war either. They are all independant nations, so it's just War. An Eldar civil war would be something like Ulthwe vs. Ulthwe.

Two words: last resort.

Polvilhovoador wrote:It happened in Retribution (if you play Eldar campaign) , but personally, I don't count DoW series as canon.

Yeah, that was a load of crap. Alaitoc especially would not kill off one of the Seer Councils of another Craftworld, they are pretty strict about everything.

Anyway, civil wars among the Eldar is extremely uncommon, but it has happened on a few occations. All involving Saim-Hann. This might sound like the Saim-Hann hate their fellow Craftworlders, but they don't. They are just more wild than the rest of them.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:A war between two craftworlds isn't a civil war either. They are all independant nations, so it's just War. An Eldar civil war would be something like Ulthwe vs. Ulthwe.

There's a brotherly comradely between them though and in their minds, they are all Eldar. Rather then 2 nations fighting, I think it would be better to compare it to conflicts between 2 American states (at least when states were more independent).

Honestly I think an Eldar from any Craftworld considers themselves Eldar first, and then Alaitoc or Biel-Tan or what have you.

Saim-Hann are touchy about their honour. A (sur)real world example would be Corsica á la Asterix. Blood feuds and infighting between families are common.

Harriticus wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:A war between two craftworlds isn't a civil war either. They are all independant nations, so it's just War. An Eldar civil war would be something like Ulthwe vs. Ulthwe.

There's a brotherly comradely between them though and in their minds, they are all Eldar. Rather then 2 nations fighting, I think it would be better to compare it to conflicts between 2 American states (at least when states were more independent).

Honestly I think an Eldar from any Craftworld considers themselves Eldar first, and then Alaitoc or Biel-Tan or what have you.

I can't agree. Beil-Tan are Beil-Tan first. Most craftworlds don't approve of their militant style and think it causes trouble for all Eldar. Alaitoc are pissed no one listens to them abnout the necron threat. Ulthwe feel they have the best farseers and the rest think they are arrogant. The are indepedant and allied but they all have their own agendas. The closest analogy is city-states.

Actually, Ulthwé are the militant ones, it's just happenstance they have so many seers (the others think they're too close to the Eye).

Beil-Tan are the most militant. They have a standing policy to kill everyone on many worlds even if they are unarmed civilians.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Beil-Tan are the most militant. They have a standing policy to kill everyone on many worlds even if they are unarmed civilians.

Wasn't there a Biel-Tan noble who spared Human colonists after they surrendered and allowed them to settle a nearby habitable moon as long as they don't return to the Maiden World? I'll look it up, but it might take a while.

EDIT: Avele Swifteye, Duke of Asteri Reach. After the Humans on Yrthal surrendered, he transported them to a nearby moon and promised no further hostilities as long as they did not return to Yrthal. - Codex: Eldar 4th Edition

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Beil-Tan are the most militant. They have a standing policy to kill everyone on many worlds even if they are unarmed civilians.

That's not militant, that's blood thirsty. Ulthwé have very few aspect warriors, but is also noted in the codex to be the world most commonly involved in conflicts as well as being the only craftworld with a strong standing army of Guardians. To have a standing army means that the Craftworld is constantly in mobilisation and as such militant. It is the only Craftworld were Guardians in any shape or form makes sense as troop choices (except Jetbikes which would be common for Saim-Hann).
Biel-Tan isn't a militant society by comparison, but they have a vast number of aspect shrines and it colours their infinity circuit and as such their psyche and demeanour. If you call Biel-Tan militant, then we're left with only about two Craftworlds which can't be called overtly militant (I recon that would be Alaitoc and Yme-Loc).

What I didn't know before I today was that Ulthwé were directly involved in dismantling the 13th crusade through extensive Guardian attacks via the webways.

id imagine if ulthwe found out that inyanden would attack the imperium and it would lead to the destruction of ulthwe, they would maybe have a chat and failing that, send in the troops.

As others have said, in-fighting between modern/craftworld Eldar seems so rare that it's practically non-existent.
That said, Saim Hann has been known to attack other Eldar. To quote the current Codex:

"Their bravery is legendary, but their pride has frequently led them to fight unnecessary wars and to even initiate conflict with other craftworlds."

Mahtamori wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Beil-Tan are the most militant. They have a standing policy to kill everyone on many worlds even if they are unarmed civilians.

That's not militant, that's blood thirsty. Ulthwé have very few aspect warriors, but is also noted in the codex to be the world most commonly involved in conflicts as well as being the only craftworld with a strong standing army of Guardians. To have a standing army means that the Craftworld is constantly in mobilisation and as such militant. It is the only Craftworld were Guardians in any shape or form makes sense as troop choices (except Jetbikes which would be common for Saim-Hann).
Biel-Tan isn't a militant society by comparison, but they have a vast number of aspect shrines and it colours their infinity circuit and as such their psyche and demeanour. If you call Biel-Tan militant, then we're left with only about two Craftworlds which can't be called overtly militant (I recon that would be Alaitoc and Yme-Loc).

What I didn't know before I today was that Ulthwé were directly involved in dismantling the 13th crusade through extensive Guardian attacks via the webways.

Ok, well then let's say the Beil-Tan are the most belligerent and ruthless.

Marzillius wrote:

Polvilhovoador wrote:It happened in Retribution (if you play Eldar campaign) , but personally, I don't count DoW series as canon.

Yeah, that was a load of crap. Alaitoc especially would not kill off one of the Seer Councils of another Craftworld, they are pretty strict about everything.

Anyway, civil wars among the Eldar is extremely uncommon, but it has happened on a few occations. All involving Saim-Hann. This might sound like the Saim-Hann hate their fellow Craftworlders, but they don't. They are just more wild than the rest of them.

Yes i have one of the old eldar codexies, i think its the 4th edition and it makes them seem a bit "wild".

I seem to remember a GW short story about a war between to wild rider clans, so on a craftworld it occurs, especially between the Saim Hann and themselves or other craftworlds. I'm guessing it happens but its not common.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Mahtamori wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Beil-Tan are the most militant. They have a standing policy to kill everyone on many worlds even if they are unarmed civilians.

That's not militant, that's blood thirsty. Ulthwé have very few aspect warriors, but is also noted in the codex to be the world most commonly involved in conflicts as well as being the only craftworld with a strong standing army of Guardians. To have a standing army means that the Craftworld is constantly in mobilisation and as such militant. It is the only Craftworld were Guardians in any shape or form makes sense as troop choices (except Jetbikes which would be common for Saim-Hann).
Biel-Tan isn't a militant society by comparison, but they have a vast number of aspect shrines and it colours their infinity circuit and as such their psyche and demeanour. If you call Biel-Tan militant, then we're left with only about two Craftworlds which can't be called overtly militant (I recon that would be Alaitoc and Yme-Loc).

What I didn't know before I today was that Ulthwé were directly involved in dismantling the 13th crusade through extensive Guardian attacks via the webways.

Ok, well then let's say the Beil-Tan are the most belligerent and ruthless.

Beil-Tan want to restore the old Eldar Empire. They don't attack randomly, they attack any who interfere with their Maiden Worlds, or the exodites. They have a large number of aspect warriors because to rebuild an empire will require war. And because they are aspect warriors, that doesn't at all mean they are bloodthirsty on a day to day basis. It simply means that they don a seperate persona. Ulthwe is most militant, as it's regular peoples are a militia, unlike most other craftworlds where guardians are a semi last resort.


OT:
Craftworlds rarely fight, their seers will talk and from that decide the best course of action. The Eldar make no rash decisions, and with them having access to forsight, they can prevent infighting or something that would lead to it. Saim-Han do fight others if their honour is insulted, but for the most part, the craftworlds keep to themselves.

Also, Eldar and Dark Eldar don't hate each other, they just see each other as weak for various reasons, and then the harliquin's think they are both fools


Von Chogg

Von Chogg wrote:

-- regarding Eldar and Dark Eldar --

The harlequins think they are both fools

Von Chogg

That's good..

Okay thanks for letting me know...