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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The truth is, we can't know how well they really sold.

But what we can say, with relative certainty, is that if they had made more boxes, they would have sold more boxes!

 
   
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Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Sold out of how many boxes though?

All of them Slayer-Fan. All of them.

That doesn't really answer the question.

The truth is, we can't know how well they really sold. Either they had like 20 (exaggeration) and sold out or had like 5000 (exaggeration) and sold out.


That they had a double week to process the orders suggests it was a lot though. More units than GW can ship in a single week.
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The truth is, we can't know how well they really sold.

But what we can say, with relative certainty, is that if they had made more boxes, they would have sold more boxes!


We can also say with relative certainty that if I'd picked the winning lottery numbers I would have won the lottery. The difficulty lies in the 'predicting the future' part...
   
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
"Muscly super soldier in power armour" is a generic cliché for a reason.

So is “all organic space alien bug”. Yet you don't see GW giving tyranids the same kind of support as marines get, amirite?


That's because they're too busy ignoring their own hobby to do anything about it.

This PA release is the biggest scam I've seen from them. You get a book that has literally nothing of value in them. They cost 40$ and they will come with 1 whole character! Of which so far has been 100% marines. Oh sure, there was an eldar box set.

The box set that all of my local stores still have on their shelves because no body who plays DE or E want Howling Banshees or whatever is in the DE side of the box.

   
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Do you even PLAY Tyranids or is this just another case of "I DON'T EVEN PLAY IT BUT YOU SHOULD HATE THIS!"?

seriously, how many times do the mods have to come in and tell people to take their marine compl,aining elsewhere?


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moving onto rumor discussion (or idle speculation) if properio involved GKs, DAs and 1K sons, what do you folks figure the odds of it also including some stuff for tzeetch deamons is?

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BrianDavion wrote:
Do you even PLAY Tyranids or is this just another case of "I DON'T EVEN PLAY IT BUT YOU SHOULD HATE THIS!"?

seriously, how many times do the mods have to come in and tell people to take their marine compl,aining elsewhere?


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moving onto rumor discussion (or idle speculation) if properio involved GKs, DAs and 1K sons, what do you folks figure the odds of it also including some stuff for tzeetch deamons is?


I played them for over two years. They're now shelved due to being the worst army once again.

And, yes I will bring up Marines.

This is a thread about PA, which so far has had around +50% of its base ABOUT MARINES.
   
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I think there is a precedence for them rewarding pure army construction (Doctrines) and as such, it will only have stuff for those 3 factions they listed.

Just my 2cents, we'll see.

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BrianDavion wrote:

moving onto rumor discussion (or idle speculation) if properio involved GKs, DAs and 1K sons, what do you folks figure the odds of it also including some stuff for tzeetch deamons is?


Zero, since the little spinner on the map only showed Thousand Sons, Dark Angels and Grey Knights.

Sadly, despite the title, "Ritual of the Damned" I fear the Thousand Sons aren't going to be treated well. Especially since we can pretty much guarantee the book will do for the Dark Angels (and Grey Knights?) what "Blood of Baal" did for Blood angels.

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instead of doctinres you could give grey knights something that improves their invul saves by 1. it'd not fix the entire army no, but if GKTs all had 4++ invul saves they might be a little better

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 Togusa wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
"Muscly super soldier in power armour" is a generic cliché for a reason.

So is “all organic space alien bug”. Yet you don't see GW giving tyranids the same kind of support as marines get, amirite?


That's because they're too busy ignoring their own hobby to do anything about it.

This PA release is the biggest scam I've seen from them. You get a book that has literally nothing of value in them. They cost 40$ and they will come with 1 whole character! Of which so far has been 100% marines. Oh sure, there was an eldar box set.

The box set that all of my local stores still have on their shelves because no body who plays DE or E want Howling Banshees or whatever is in the DE side of the box.



You are so wrong on this account.

The reason Blood of the Phoenix didn't sell had nothing to do with the Banshees or Incubi, people wanted them....BAD. The issue was 100% the fact that the box was expensive and contained old kits that people had no interest in buying because they are not useful on the table (Falcon, Vyper, Hellions).
   
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I wanted the box until I saw the price. I could totally use a falcon(dont have one), viper(need more) & hellions(I like the models) for my Ynarri. but not for $230 just to get the cool new sculpts which will be released later on down the road.
   
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Yep this was a bad box. It would have been a big seller with just the new stuff at a (presumptive) discount.

   
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the take away for GW though will proably be "there's insufficant demand for eldar, make more IoM stuff" sad to say.

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 bullyboy wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
"Muscly super soldier in power armour" is a generic cliché for a reason.

So is “all organic space alien bug”. Yet you don't see GW giving tyranids the same kind of support as marines get, amirite?


That's because they're too busy ignoring their own hobby to do anything about it.

This PA release is the biggest scam I've seen from them. You get a book that has literally nothing of value in them. They cost 40$ and they will come with 1 whole character! Of which so far has been 100% marines. Oh sure, there was an eldar box set.

The box set that all of my local stores still have on their shelves because no body who plays DE or E want Howling Banshees or whatever is in the DE side of the box.



You are so wrong on this account.

The reason Blood of the Phoenix didn't sell had nothing to do with the Banshees or Incubi, people wanted them....BAD. The issue was 100% the fact that the box was expensive and contained old kits that people had no interest in buying because they are not useful on the table (Falcon, Vyper, Hellions).


I had forgotten about all of those armies using Drazar/Jain Zar and Incubi and Banshees. There were so many of them, its hard to remember sometimes.
   
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Gw doesn't undersell discount boxes accidentally. Deliberate. Don't want to sell too many undercutting full price kit sales

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 Togusa wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
"Muscly super soldier in power armour" is a generic cliché for a reason.

So is “all organic space alien bug”. Yet you don't see GW giving tyranids the same kind of support as marines get, amirite?


That's because they're too busy ignoring their own hobby to do anything about it.

This PA release is the biggest scam I've seen from them. You get a book that has literally nothing of value in them. They cost 40$ and they will come with 1 whole character! Of which so far has been 100% marines. Oh sure, there was an eldar box set.

The box set that all of my local stores still have on their shelves because no body who plays DE or E want Howling Banshees or whatever is in the DE side of the box.



You are so wrong on this account.

The reason Blood of the Phoenix didn't sell had nothing to do with the Banshees or Incubi, people wanted them....BAD. The issue was 100% the fact that the box was expensive and contained old kits that people had no interest in buying because they are not useful on the table (Falcon, Vyper, Hellions).


I had forgotten about all of those armies using Drazar/Jain Zar and Incubi and Banshees. There were so many of them, its hard to remember sometimes.


Not everybody buys models purely on how they play in the game. People have been asking for plastic Aspect Warriors for years.
   
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tneva82 wrote:


Gw doesn't undersell discount boxes accidentally. Deliberate. Don't want to sell too many undercutting full price kit sales


of course, this is no differant from any retailer. the LAST thing you want is to over produce, leaving boxes sitting on store shelves for months.

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BrianDavion wrote:
tneva82 wrote:


Gw doesn't undersell discount boxes accidentally. Deliberate. Don't want to sell too many undercutting full price kit sales


of course, this is no differant from any retailer. the LAST thing you want is to over produce, leaving boxes sitting on store shelves for months.


This isn't about sitting on shelves. They could safely up the # decent number and still sell out. However that would mean they would sell more under discount rather than at full price. They want to sell X for X rather than 70% of X for as much as possible. Discount boxes are deliberately undersold to ensure that. Non discount stuff is surprise surprise not suffering from that level of instant selling out.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
The truth is, we can't know how well they really sold.

But what we can say, with relative certainty, is that if they had made more boxes, they would have sold more boxes!

That doesn't mean they should produce as many as they can if they won't sell out. I mean, have you ever even taken a small business course? Your logic there just doesn't work.

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I was listening to the latest independent characters podcast on the way into work, where they admit to playtesting some of these books from a narrative perspective. One tidbit dropped was that thousand sons get a lot of character added in.

I take this to mean we might see the schools of study added in possibly?
   
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Anyone got anything on PA or even rumours generally? Y’know, like the topic of the thread that mods have asked/told us to stick to repeatedly?

I watched a video from Kirioth yesterday that claimed there would be a boxed set for 8.5/9th Ed that would be SW vs Orks. It may or may not tie into PA. As PA6 is due to release in March I think this is unlikely, myself. 8.5/9th Ed is said to be very similar to 8th with little rules changes.

The same source said there’d be a new Ghaz model (bigger, of course) and a new Illuminator Szeras model that goes from a 40mm to a 80mm base.

PA6 will be telling - if the only new model is Primaris Ragnar there might be some truth to this. If the release is more substantial I doubt GW would release stuff for 2 of the same factions so close together.
   
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Anyone got anything on PA or even rumours generally? Y’know, like the topic of the thread that mods have asked/told us to stick to repeatedly?

I watched a video from Kirioth yesterday that claimed there would be a boxed set for 8.5/9th Ed that would be SW vs Orks. It may or may not tie into PA. As PA6 is due to release in March I think this is unlikely, myself. 8.5/9th Ed is said to be very similar to 8th with little rules changes.

The same source said there’d be a new Ghaz model (bigger, of course) and a new Illuminator Szeras model that goes from a 40mm to a 80mm base.

PA6 will be telling - if the only new model is Primaris Ragnar there might be some truth to this. If the release is more substantial I doubt GW would release stuff for 2 of the same factions so close together.


Still waiting on the Fulgrim that Kirioth was 100% super-duper certain would come in February/March 2018 (!! yes, 2018, not a typo).

For News and Rumours, a grocery list my wife wrote would be more on topic than Kirioth, lol.


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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:

moving onto rumor discussion (or idle speculation) if properio involved GKs, DAs and 1K sons, what do you folks figure the odds of it also including some stuff for tzeetch deamons is?


Zero, since the little spinner on the map only showed Thousand Sons, Dark Angels and Grey Knights.

Sadly, despite the title, "Ritual of the Damned" I fear the Thousand Sons aren't going to be treated well. Especially since we can pretty much guarantee the book will do for the Dark Angels (and Grey Knights?) what "Blood of Baal" did for Blood angels.


The Spinner showed Sisters of Battle Icon and they did not get in anything in PA that I am aware of - nice vocal piece in the trailer and then ignored - because the topic was Faith.

(and before some here claim that the the limited undersold Sister release was the related item - it was not marketed as such was it???)

Dark Angels will get the "not" supplement and the rest a few bits and pieces - same as Blood Angels and PA - great if you are a Dark Angels player I guess - nothing new there probbaly have a second White Dwarf Index pieces... for reasons.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Anyone got anything on PA or even rumours generally? Y’know, like the topic of the thread that mods have asked/told us to stick to repeatedly?

I watched a video from Kirioth yesterday that claimed there would be a boxed set for 8.5/9th Ed that would be SW vs Orks. It may or may not tie into PA. As PA6 is due to release in March I think this is unlikely, myself. 8.5/9th Ed is said to be very similar to 8th with little rules changes.

The same source said there’d be a new Ghaz model (bigger, of course) and a new Illuminator Szeras model that goes from a 40mm to a 80mm base.

PA6 will be telling - if the only new model is Primaris Ragnar there might be some truth to this. If the release is more substantial I doubt GW would release stuff for 2 of the same factions so close together.


well if there's a ghaz model it proably won't be in the 9th edition boxed set (GW tends not to release characters in those), but back before shadow spear released the big rumor was "a boxed set with a new abaddon" so one could take a guess that this'll be a boxed set that sets us up for a new ork release featuring a plastic Ghaz. so maybe the SW vs Orks set is going to be to Orks what shadowspear was to chaos?

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A new edition would most likely be in the summer, months after Saga of the Beast releases. If I recall correctly, Psychic Awakening is set to keep going past March, and likely into summer (since there will still be factions that haven't been touched by March).

To me, that kinda works against the idea of a Space Wolves vs. Orks boxed set for a new edition. The timing seems a bit - off.

Also, that box has been rumored for so long now...

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yeah, I can see a new box, especially if a ghazzy is likely to come, but it'll be more shadowspear then dark imperium (wonder if this means new space marines.. .)

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