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There must be some disgruntled Forgeworld employee out there, they've pushed a new product without a WC article! Ultramarines Legion Contemptor Dreadnought is available for pre-order.


   
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Good looking Dread and its about time the Ultras got one.

Now if they could just redo the IH version that would IIRC be all the legions covered for Contemptors.
   
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Ultra dread is nice. A little bit of knife work would see it fit as a relic contemptor for pretty much any other legion.

What happened to the Iron Hands contemptor? It appears they've stopped selling it.

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 Snrub wrote:
Ultra dread is nice. A little bit of knife work would see it fit as a relic contemptor for pretty much any other legion.

What happened to the Iron Hands contemptor? It appears they've stopped selling it.

Either broken masters with no way of making new moulds or an unacceptably high number of production errors, for whatever reason. A real shame as that one had great details on the back of the model that aren't apparent when viewed head-on, which is obviously the most common viewing angle.
   
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Knees aren't my favorite, but overall I really like it. Cohesive and rather restrained detailing puts it in the top tier of legion contemptor designs, unlike the mess of the osirian, space wolf, and white scars dreads.

Given their use, how long before we see an iron hands leviathan model? Would love an ultramarines one of those as well, now that the contemptor is finally out.
   
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Have I missed something? When did all the forge world products get an extra £2-3 added to the price? I just went on the site to look for potential models for Christmas, but can't find anything online about any recent price hikes?

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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Have I missed something? When did all the forge world products get an extra £2-3 added to the price? I just went on the site to look for potential models for Christmas, but can't find anything online about any recent price hikes?


Are you sure you have the right country selected? The couple of things I checked that I have bought recently still seem to be the same price.

   
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I've a "gut feeling" prices went up by a few £ but that was about a full year ago or more. Plus chances are they have crept up now and then and its more apparent when you only view the site every few months/year.

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It was about when GW proper did the same thing, iirc.
   
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Bodt

Damn, I usually don't complain about gw prices, but increasing the prices on current stock, that seems a bit out or order.

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I checked my order history and everything I ordered in 2019 matches the current web prices (mix of middle earth and 40k vehicle doors).
   
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There are a few that have, apparently, increased. Necromunda bits got a price hike in the US I noticed. $25 to $30


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I bought the Ebon Keshig for £60 at WarhammerFest in May, and they’re £63 now (and might even have been when they were released properly). So the increase happened after May.
   
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Bodt

Yeah it seems to be on all the horus heresy stuff. Primarchs that were 60, now 63. Kharn and sevatar and the other minor characters now 38 whereas they used to be 35. Wtf? That's a 10% increase.

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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Have I missed something? When did all the forge world products get an extra £2-3 added to the price?
It happens every single year, a couple of months back IIRC.
   
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Bodt

Well I bought konrad curze back in 2014 and he was £60 then, and when I got Angron last year he was £60.. So this clearly isn't some gradual increase.

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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Well I bought konrad curze back in 2014 and he was £60 then, and when I got Angron last year he was £60.. So this clearly isn't some gradual increase.


Angron was £50 when he first came out. The prices go up a couple of quid every year or two. Same as GW.
   
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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Damn, I usually don't complain about gw prices, but increasing the prices on current stock, that seems a bit out or order.


RPI affects ongoing overheads and costs of sale regardless of whether it’s current stock or historic.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

sieGermans wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Damn, I usually don't complain about gw prices, but increasing the prices on current stock, that seems a bit out or order.


RPI affects ongoing overheads and costs of sale regardless of whether it’s current stock or historic.


Erm, haven't GW traditionally done their price increases a few percentage points above inflation?

Also, given the way GW products are created(ie, salaried design staff, waged in-house manufacturing, waged in-house distribution) and the sales profile they have(ie, they typically make back their entire development cost with their initial production run, which is usually sold through within a few months at most), sales of "historic" products are bordering on pure profit; a few pence of plastic and cardboard plus warehousing in a facility they own plus shipping. There's no real need for them to raise prices on older kits, because I'd wager inflation would take longer to wear their margin back down to the one they were perfectly happy with on the initial production run than the lifetime of the kit before it gets replaced.

No, they raise the prices on older kits because if they don't, the newer kits begin to look like they lack sufficient value to justify their price.

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Yeah that's ridiculous. Whacking a 10% markup onto 5 year old models is absurd... Ive never experienced this through forge world before. Making me seriously consider whether I still want to support the brand.

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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Yeah that's ridiculous. Whacking a 10% markup onto 5 year old models is absurd... Ive never experienced this through forge world before. Making me seriously consider whether I still want to support the brand.


As people have said, FW put their prices up by a few percent across a large proportion of their range each year, and always have done. Just having a quick look at something where I remember the price, a fully armed Reaver titan will currently cost £701, when it was released (about 10 years ago) it was £550, the Warlord Titan in its original weapon configuration has gone from £1240 to £1345 over the last 5 years.
   
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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Yeah that's ridiculous. Whacking a 10% markup onto 5 year old models is absurd... Ive never experienced this through forge world before. Making me seriously consider whether I still want to support the brand.


Well, there are alternatives to them...ssshhhh...
   
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 Yodhrin wrote:
sieGermans wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Damn, I usually don't complain about gw prices, but increasing the prices on current stock, that seems a bit out or order.


RPI affects ongoing overheads and costs of sale regardless of whether it’s current stock or historic.


Erm, haven't GW traditionally done their price increases a few percentage points above inflation?

Also, given the way GW products are created(ie, salaried design staff, waged in-house manufacturing, waged in-house distribution) and the sales profile they have(ie, they typically make back their entire development cost with their initial production run, which is usually sold through within a few months at most), sales of "historic" products are bordering on pure profit; a few pence of plastic and cardboard plus warehousing in a facility they own plus shipping. There's no real need for them to raise prices on older kits, because I'd wager inflation would take longer to wear their margin back down to the one they were perfectly happy with on the initial production run than the lifetime of the kit before it gets replaced.

No, they raise the prices on older kits because if they don't, the newer kits begin to look like they lack sufficient value to justify their price.


GW proper though doesn't raise their prices yearly. Well not on older kits anyway. They have went for model where price of NEW kits keep going up but older kits tend to remain same. As such this year when start collecting boxes went up that was rather unusual move.

They abandoned the yearly price hike system many many years ago.

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 smurfORnot wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Yeah that's ridiculous. Whacking a 10% markup onto 5 year old models is absurd... Ive never experienced this through forge world before. Making me seriously consider whether I still want to support the brand.


Well, there are alternatives to them...ssshhhh...


Yup. Its a shame because I love forge world models and want to support the brand, but theres only so much undesired penetration I can take before I pull the eject handle and go east.

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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
 smurfORnot wrote:
 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
Yeah that's ridiculous. Whacking a 10% markup onto 5 year old models is absurd... Ive never experienced this through forge world before. Making me seriously consider whether I still want to support the brand.


Well, there are alternatives to them...ssshhhh...


Yup. Its a shame because I love forge world models and want to support the brand, but theres only so much undesired penetration I can take before I pull the eject handle and go east.

If they charged Eastern prices, instead of the million percent margin model they're currently using, they'd get one or two thousand £ from me a year. But they don't, so I spend that in Glorious Eastern ¥ instead.
   
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You realize right FW can never win pricing war with recasters?

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It's a battle that wouldn't be nearly as bad if their prices weren't so high.

   
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tneva82 wrote:
You realize right FW can never win pricing war with recasters?

Yeah I don't mean I'd only buy from FW if they were as cheap, I mean I'd buy from them if their prices weren't astronomical (I buy all my plastic GW from third party UK sellers, for example. It's still cheaper to buy this stuff from China, but it's not that much cheaper, so I generally don't bother).
   
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I wasn't aware China/Russia/wherever was recasting the plastics? Resin is cheap to recast because the materials and moulds are cheap; plastics don't tend to be recast because the moulds for injection moulding are anything but cheap (if you want it to look half good/produce more than a handful).


I agree that FW can never win a recasting war because the recasters have vastly less overhead. They don't even have to do any design or parting work, just buy one copy of the model and use the pre-existing parts to construct their own mould. Heck most FW stuff comes with the resin tabs still attached. One guy and a casting setup can undercut FW easily.



I will agree that FW's prices overseas are very high, esp once they started shipping through GW and now use the GW conversion rate (and that marketing release was a total disaster for lower shipping).
That said I'd honestly rather go without or just save up for longer rather than support the recasters. I'd rather the money went into companies developing and working within the industry rather than those leaching off it (though this can get to be a grey area at times with some firms). Heck if you don't play at a GW store there's a legion of 3rd party companies like Creature Caster and Raging Heroes making alternatives.

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FW wouldn't "win" a recaster war if their prices were lower, but if things were easier to obtain (and not just more expensive the further away from Nottingham you get, despite all coming from the same damned factory (US excluded)), then there wouldn't be the need for piracy.

 Overread wrote:
I wasn't aware China/Russia/wherever was recasting the plastics?
Technology has evolved somewhat.

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