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In case anyone's interested, the Inquisition is specifically name-dropped in the Theta-7 Acquisitus fluff.

Corpses of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers "clad in matte-black bodygloves with black carapace armor" are found in desert sands, with holes in 'em from autogun rounds.

Also for Ivan: Yes, it does contain the tactics from the earlier Commander boxes. It even is the same set of cardboard stuff.

 Kanluwen wrote:
In case anyone's interested, the Inquisition is specifically name-dropped in the Theta-7 Acquisitus fluff.

Corpses of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers "clad in matte-black bodygloves with black carapace armor" are found in desert sands, with holes in 'em from autogun rounds.

Also for Ivan: Yes, it does contain the tactics from the earlier Commander boxes. It even is the same set of cardboard stuff.

Nice. I think we are way over do for so proper Inquisition models in plastic in something.....and Kill Team is the perfect avenue for it.

Now, let's see if they actually ever put them out or just keep alluding to the Inquisition.

So they're specifically called "Inquisitorial Storm Troopers"?

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Some people were assuming that the two boards and two terrain sprues were so you could setup two boards - the two boards are diffent (four unique sides) and the terrain is sufficient for one board to be setup.

Hold on... but don't some of the missions show off two identical boards being used?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also for Ivan: Yes, it does contain the tactics from the earlier Commander boxes. It even is the same set of cardboard stuff.

Say, if I wanted to start Kill Team now, what would I need to get, to avoid missing on stuff ? Rulebook and Arena box ? Does it include the cards for all commanders, or just AM/GSC ? This is getting tough to follow...

 HudsonD wrote:
Say, if I wanted to start Kill Team now, what would I need to get, to avoid missing on stuff ? Rulebook and Arena box ? Does it include the cards for all commanders, or just AM/GSC ? This is getting tough to follow...

Technically, if you didn't want to miss ANYTHING, you need to buy EVERYTHING. All the expansions, killzones, commanders, and starters include rules (tactics, narrative and matched play missions, killzone rules) that aren't found anywhere else (though easily found on the internet). However, the vast majority of that stuff is optional and of variable worth - more like bonus features rather than the main attraction. If you worry too much about it, it'll drive you crazy.

The only thing you need to start playing is the rulebook (and miniatures). If you want to use commanders, you need the Kill Team Commanders expansion. That's it for the main attraction rules. If competitive is your jam, Arena might be considered a good buy.

 HudsonD wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also for Ivan: Yes, it does contain the tactics from the earlier Commander boxes. It even is the same set of cardboard stuff.

Say, if I wanted to start Kill Team now, what would I need to get, to avoid missing on stuff ? Rulebook and Arena box ? Does it include the cards for all commanders, or just AM/GSC ? This is getting tough to follow...

If you want to play the game you only need the Core Rulebook.
If you want to add Commanders to your game, get the Commanders expansion.
If you want to play competitively, get Arena.

That's all you need to play the major forms of the game. Everything else is add-on stuff, such as the starter sets for the factions, the killzones, even Rogue Trader. The three pieces above are all you really need to have access to all the major rules and a lot of great missions.

drbored wrote:

If you want to play the game you only need the Core Rulebook.
If you want to add Commanders to your game, get the Commanders expansion.
If you want to play competitively, get Arena.

That's all you need to play the major forms of the game. Everything else is add-on stuff, such as the starter sets for the factions, the killzones, even Rogue Trader. The three pieces above are all you really need to have access to all the major rules and a lot of great missions.

Am I reading well that Commanders is included in Arena ? Does it include the base rulebook as well (edit: no, it doesn't) ?
Am I missing anything if I I don't get the KT or Commander boxes for a given faction ?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hold on... but don't some of the missions show off two identical boards being used?

Yes, those are doubles missions (four players in two teams). You need two sets of arena.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Also for Ivan: Yes, it does contain the tactics from the earlier Commander boxes. It even is the same set of cardboard stuff.

No it does not. It has the tactics from the commander book, it does not have the tactics unique to the individual commander boxes (which was the question).


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 HudsonD wrote:

Am I reading well that Commanders is included in Arena ? Does it include the base rulebook as well (edit: no, it doesn't) ?
Am I missing anything if I I don't get the KT or Commander boxes for a given faction ?

Arena does not include core or commander rulebooks. It also has no missions that allow commanders.

The team boxes and individual commanders all come with unique faction specific tactics cards.

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Yes, those are doubles missions (four players in two teams). You need two sets of arena.

Wow. That's incredibly lame. You think you'd write scenarios for the contents of the box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Yes, those are doubles missions (four players in two teams). You need two sets of arena.

Wow. That's incredibly lame. You think you'd write scenarios for the contents of the box.

It does line up with the 4 player mission cards from the kill teams that use 2 sets worth of killzone boxes.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
Yes, those are doubles missions (four players in two teams). You need two sets of arena.

Wow. That's incredibly lame. You think you'd write scenarios for the contents of the box.

The alternative would be to put 4 double sided boards and 4 sprues and 4 sets of objective cards and 2 sets of doubles tactics in the box (basically doubling up on everything except the book) making it really expensive for anyone that doesn't want to play doubles.

Or they could have two identical double sided boards and 4 sprues and 4 sets of objective cards and 2 sets of doubles tactics making set objectively worse (half the board variety) and more expensive.

Considering the alternatives are making the box more expensive for a bunch of stuff that's useless most of the time I don't think that two sets between 4 people in order to play doubles is that big of a deal

Overall, I didn’t feel I got my money’s woth with Arena. $110 Canadian was about $20 more that I felt I got out of the box. The two small packs of cards, the basic rules, two maps and a bit of terrain. Mostly I just felt the rules themselves were a bit thin. Probably could have used a few more scenarios.
The new unit boxes however I feel are a decent value. A $50 unit and a $30 character for $80, only the box also gives me some terrain, and a bunch of counters and a pile of cards.
I hope they abandon the terrible previous sales model of $75 unit boxes and $40 characters. I didn’t buy any. Those were a joke.

 Kanluwen wrote:
In case anyone's interested, the Inquisition is specifically name-dropped in the Theta-7 Acquisitus fluff.

Corpses of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers "clad in matte-black bodygloves with black carapace armor" are found in desert sands, with holes in 'em from autogun rounds.

I am glad that we probably get the Inquisition in this game soon, I am sure the models will be amazing. However, I am afraid it will be similar stupidly limited thing like the Rogue Traders; these specific guys in this specific configuration, zero customisation for you.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
In case anyone's interested, the Inquisition is specifically name-dropped in the Theta-7 Acquisitus fluff.

Corpses of Inquisitorial Stormtroopers "clad in matte-black bodygloves with black carapace armor" are found in desert sands, with holes in 'em from autogun rounds.

I am glad that we probably get the Inquisition in this game soon, I am sure the models will be amazing. However, I am afraid it will be similar stupidly limited thing like the Rogue Traders; these specific guys in this specific configuration, zero customisation for you.

I'm going to be really surprised if we don't see Rogue Traders and Gellerpox Infected expanded upon at some point in the future. They showed up in Vigilus in a fairly big way.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm going to be really surprised if we don't see Rogue Traders and Gellerpox Infected expanded upon at some point in the future. They showed up in Vigilus in a fairly big way.

I really hope so. I was first super exited about the RT stuff, but seeing how crazy limited it was that enthusiasm kinda died pretty quickly.

Is much of the Rogue Trader rulebook superseded by the Arena rules?

Ancient Otter wrote:
Is much of the Rogue Trader rulebook superseded by the Arena rules?

The only thing they have in common is a page and a bit for the close confines rules and they're very slightly different in the Arena rules.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:
I guess cards will still be required for events.

Are the rules on the cards not also printed in the various KT books?

FYI, the two new teams are the first to have any rules in their booklets (the datasheets for the new commanders).

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

I'm going to be really surprised if we don't see Rogue Traders and Gellerpox Infected expanded upon at some point in the future. They showed up in Vigilus in a fairly big way.

I really hope so. I was first super exited about the RT stuff, but seeing how crazy limited it was that enthusiasm kinda died pretty quickly.

It would be nice to have Rogue Traders retinues that share the astra cartographica keyword instead of needing special rules to take in the same detachment.

I'm not impressed by arena.

The boards are extremely dull and boring, the lack of city fight really, really kills it for me. I'm also not keen on the "competitive" rules, why were the original rules not okay for "competitive" play?

Arena is small, compact and has less variables involved, making is faster to set up and play.

I've heard a rumour of Arbites in Kill Team, is there any truth to that ?

They're not in yet and there have not really been any rumblings of them.

We had a fluff bit for the Vigilus runup that had Arbites mentioned, and one of the localities in the book makes mention of Arbites bigtime.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They're not in yet and there have not really been any rumblings of them.

We had a fluff bit for the Vigilus runup that had Arbites mentioned, and one of the localities in the book makes mention of Arbites bigtime.

All right, well, back to being uninterested then.

GW is doing a good job by bundling news about their different systems into news about the one game I play (Underworlds) so I guess I'll eventually find out anyways