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 GaroRobe wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.

But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life

One city wiped out(still usable btw). Another added. There's more citles to play now than beforb.

tneva82 wrote:


One city wiped out(still usable btw). Another added. There's more citles to play now than beforb.

Three, actually - the new Anvilgard (old can indeed still be played), the other in Shyish and one in Hysh.

But I get the fears that Cities of Sigmar in its current form (soup with units from former Warhammer Battle) may change in 3rd edition. It's more focused on the units you can take than the "subfaction/city rules", I believe.

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CoS was a passion project from one designer, rather than something GW seemingly had well planned. We know they have a pretty sizeable schedule laid out as for their future projects. To me that suggests CoS was a surprise success rather than something they'd banked on making future plans around. The Witch Hunter duo are of course the wild cards, but I wouldn't be too shocked if they're akin to the Lumineth duo and can be taken in any Order army.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I like how it is considered white knighting to suggest that an army going from one battletome of content to multiple battletomes of content is a good thing.

More that it tends to be white knights who insist people should 500% buy into armies teetering on being potentially squated and then turn around and say it's a good thing/you should've seen it coming.

Voss wrote:
So...
that was really fast on Cursed City villains. Not shocked, but I'm downright excited to see what horrifying price point they put on them. As bad as the indomitus sprues, or are they going for full box price?

BSF's cultists were rather nicely priced at the time. Although I'm not expecting that now, especially for characters. It's not impossible though - just very unlikely!

At this point I would fear Beasts of Chaos being more likely to be squatted than Cities of Sigmar. Even the new teaser trailer for 3.0 has Free People in it.

zamerion wrote:
Belladama 40e

radukar the beast 40e

annika / kritza 25e

direwolves 40e

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Belladama, Radukar, Dire Wolves $50USD

Annika/Kritza $35USD

SC $95USD

At least from the pricebands I'm seeing.

tneva82 wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Also, I don't think Cities of Sigmar is long for this world in its current iteration.

Yeah... And this is what stops me from properly committing to AOS.

I get the feeling. Like, a major city was wiped out during Broken Realms.

But we do have the new witch hunters coming. And GW probably saw the overwhelming positive reception CoS had. It was definitely one of the more popular AOS factions, so I hope that prolongs their life

One city wiped out(still usable btw). Another added. There's more citles to play now than beforb.

Even then Anvilguard is now a city of Khaine-Morathi rather than destroyed - be cool to get Cities of various gods

I don't think Cities will be squatted, but at the same time I don't know how GW are going to advance with the idea of cities. Right now its basically a load of different armies mashed together and not many match the more steam-punk style of cities lore that we have in the stories.


I can see GW easily branching out the dwarf content into their own army without much resistance. Dwarves have only 2 armies right now and one is slayers and one is Khadorans. A 3rd which is more grounded regular dwarves would work easily within the setting and be a neat part of the story in them reclaiming regions of the realm of metal.

The Human part of Cities is also easy to fix since its quite watered down and there's no other human armies in the game. It can easily be reworked and added too.


The real question is over the elf content. GW has been teasing with Kurnothi which could or could not merge with the remaining wood elf models.

We've had Daughters of Khaine reunited with the Dark Elf models in Cities through an alliance. Is GW testing the water for doing full reunited Dark Elf army in the future?




Or will Cities remain purely its own thing, with GW shoring up the lore and concepts behind different cities and the asthetics within them visually.

As I see it Cities could well go the path that we've seen with Legion of Nagash. A force that steady gets other armies spliced out of it. Or it could be remade visually into an entirely new set of designs or it could bumble along losing old models and getting replacements.



Cities is perhaps the hardest army and force to predict its future right now.

I think it’s more about giving CoS as much variety as possible, by making them able to thematically ally with other forces of Order.

Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

Voss wrote:


The weren't shy about squatting a pile of models from the range this time around, right as the Battletome came out.
While I'd like to see what they have in mind for 'normal humans (elves/dwarves)' in AoS, the uncertainty is stretching on a bit. 3 editions on, average joe shouldn't be this nebulous a concept.

Yeah. Some years ago I decided to get into AOS and bought an built a bunch Free People models. Shortly after Cities of Sigmar was released and a lot of them were squatted, and they didn't even receive Legends support unlike many much older models that had been removed at AOS launch. So kinda got burned by that, and I'm hesitant to get into CoS until they get a new book and new models that I can be sure will remain in the game for a long time.

And the lack of proper presence of 'normal people' makes all the fantastic stuff feel less fantastic. If everyone is some sort of weird fantasy creature or immortal superbeing it just becomes undefined mush as there is no baseline for contrast. I like Stormcast and I have a bunch of them, but I definitely want field them allied to normal humans.

NM.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.

 Crimson wrote:

Voss wrote:


The weren't shy about squatting a pile of models from the range this time around, right as the Battletome came out.
While I'd like to see what they have in mind for 'normal humans (elves/dwarves)' in AoS, the uncertainty is stretching on a bit. 3 editions on, average joe shouldn't be this nebulous a concept.

Yeah. Some years ago I decided to get into AOS and bought an built a bunch Free People models. Shortly after Cities of Sigmar was released and a lot of them were squatted, and they didn't even receive Legends support unlike many much older models that had been removed at AOS launch. So kinda got burned by that, and I'm hesitant to get into CoS until they get a new book and new models that I can be sure will remain in the game for a long time.

And the lack of proper presence of 'normal people' makes all the fantastic stuff feel less fantastic. If everyone is some sort of weird fantasy creature or immortal superbeing it just becomes undefined mush as there is no baseline for contrast. I like Stormcast and I have a bunch of them, but I definitely want field them allied to normal humans.

Thats why after greenskins were squatted I waited for the Ogres Book to start them. GW has shown than with AoS they have no qualms about squatting stuff that they are "supporting" even with SC! like the old greenskins.
Now, with stuff like the plastic tyrant, CC ogre mercenary, etc... I'm sure GW is not gonna drop ogres any time soon and I colleted a full army without any problem, but they should realize that having this hanging guillotine over some factions necks is gonna make many people hesitant to buy into.

New battletome and new models, new rules etc and still not enough? What gw needs to do more? By now there's nothing they can do.

I agree. The big issue is that CoS is were a lot of the surviving old models from fantasy have ended up. It takes a long time to make new models, new vampire/skeleton stuff is just coming out.

Personally I feel cities should be a more pure human faction, in lore they can still be multiracial, but the models should human soldiers. For the elves I always felt the Phoenix guard should have been Lumineth from the start, dark elves should be worked into a shadow aelves faction under Maleron and Wanderers into the wild aelves.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.

Those'll be the likely places to pick up that mini at least in the short term unfortunately. Shame to think that I wouldn't put it past them to make such a move.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.

I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard.

GW don't make up start collecting sets by breaking down and re-packaging existing stock.

They don't want to include the new skellingtons because they want people to buy those as well as the box with the exclusive Wight King.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard.

GW don't make up start collecting sets by breaking down and re-packaging existing stock.

They don't want to include the new skellingtons because they want people to buy those as well as the box with the exclusive Wight King.

I mean, the new Skellies don't remotely match anything in the Start Collecting aesthetically so maybe that's the reason...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.

I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.

Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.

I'm still laughing about people bitching about the WK being locked into a box no one wants, like this is something GW literally didn't JUST DO with Pariah Nexus.

 TalonZahn wrote:
I'm still laughing about people bitching about the WK being locked into a box no one wants, like this is something GW literally didn't JUST DO with Pariah Nexus.

Just because that's a thing GW does more often than once, doesn't mean you can't get mad, that's a complacent approach. If you stubbed your toe every week doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt everytime.

tneva82 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.

I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.

Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.

Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.

Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.

It just seems odd to stick 20 old WHFB style Grave Guard into a starter box when they literally just released new shiny Skeletons, Zombies, Dire Wolves and Blood Knights.

Maybe they genuinely think it's best to use Grave Guard and so cast up a fresh batch, or maybe the last batch has been sitting in their warehouse for the past 5 years and they figure they'll shift them before they get updated some time in the future.

I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.

I feel like that might be a defence equivalent to 'Your honour, my client couldn't possibly have been the one vandalise the orphanage because he was shoplifting at the time'.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
I'm still laughing about people bitching about the WK being locked into a box no one wants, like this is something GW literally didn't JUST DO with Pariah Nexus.

Just because that's a thing GW does more often than once, doesn't mean you can't get mad, that's a complacent approach. If you stubbed your toe every week doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt everytime.

At some point it would become obvious that it's going to happen, and if you're still surprised by it, I'm going to laugh at you complaining about it.

I didn't say you had to enjoy it.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.

I feel like that might be a defence equivalent to 'Your honour, my client couldn't possibly have been the one vandalise the orphanage because he was shoplifting at the time'.

Indeed. "We price the characters so high nobody buys them unless we stick them in a bundle nobody wants to create the illusion of better value" isn't a great defense.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
I'm still laughing about people bitching about the WK being locked into a box no one wants, like this is something GW literally didn't JUST DO with Pariah Nexus.

Just because that's a thing GW does more often than once, doesn't mean you can't get mad, that's a complacent approach. If you stubbed your toe every week doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt everytime.

At some point it would become obvious that it's going to happen, and if you're still surprised by it, I'm going to laugh at you complaining about it.

I didn't say you had to enjoy it.

Just because i'm not suprised doesn't mean i don't get to be mad.

If someone runs at you with a knife for ten minutes, you aren't any less upset by the fact you got stabbed despite the fact you got stabbed.

Besides, GW has recently relased other single character/HQ-type units that they didn't confine to a bundle.