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No One Important wrote: Only 6 and 7 are plug-and-play with each other by design. The rest can be made to work together but require rebuilding the parts to match up, with varying degrees of difficulty. Matching a Mk2 part to a Mk3 suit should be quite easy, but Mk2 to Mk4 requires more work.
nope...4 to 7 are "plug and play".
Provably wrong. The dual technology circuits were first introduced in Mk6 armor.
It is canon by GW, see WD #469., so it's right.
Production Type Mk5, Mk6 and Mk7 are based on the Mk4 and are all compatible with each other.
The "Production Type" Mk5 is based on early Prototypes of the Mk4 and the Mk6. Also every mix of Armour is theoretical a "non-Production Type" Mk5.
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No One Important wrote: Only 6 and 7 are plug-and-play with each other by design. The rest can be made to work together but require rebuilding the parts to match up, with varying degrees of difficulty. Matching a Mk2 part to a Mk3 suit should be quite easy, but Mk2 to Mk4 requires more work.
nope...4 to 7 are "plug and play".
Provably wrong. The dual technology circuits were first introduced in Mk6 armor.
The article you're referencing glosses over details that other articles have gone into more detail on
It is canon by GW, see WD #469., so it's right.
The article you're referencing blatantly glosses over certain details multiple other references have gone further in depth on. It makes no mention of the dual technology circuits and only says that these armor groupings can "in general" be combined "without issue." It does not say without any modification at all.
JFC, what does it matter? "The techmarine reversed the polarity of the neutron flow, so now it works fine." It is all made up nonsense anyway, you can just plug any gaps with more made up nonsense.
People should feel free to build their models in the way they themselves think looks the best.
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Well, it appears the techniques used are different across presenters. Not as strong as the previous two by Peaches (if that's his handle?) but I do find a lot of the Warhammer teams painters presentations a bit odd.
How much will cost the Mark 2 box set? Im eyeing to buy the actual 10 man-squad still present on the web, but I don't know if the HH kit will be cheaper
Tell you what, in terms of a painting tutorial that'll give really good results without doing anything excessively complicated or time-consuming, I think you're gonna be pretty hard-pressed to beat this:
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Garrac wrote: How much will cost the Mark 2 box set? Im eyeing to buy the actual 10 man-squad still present on the web, but I don't know if the HH kit will be cheaper
I don't think we have anything in the way of reliable rumors on this.
I believe when GW reboxed Intercessors to ten a box, and before that Sigmarines, it was 25€ for five and 45€ for ten. That's a 10% price decrease per model.
Khorne's Juggernaut rider models on the fantasy side also got doubled. I don't recall the exact prices unfortunately, but I believe the price decrease per model may have been in the 10% to 15% span. Something like 42.50€ for three and later on 70€ or 75€ for six.
Unless GW wants to price Horus Heresy plastics aggressively to sell as many as they can, I think the 20 man boxes will cost something like 75€. 70€ if we're lucky, but I have my doubts. It'll save a you a little bit per model over the current Mk.III box is that's 42.50€ for ten.
At any rate, this is just my best guess. May turn out differently in the end.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
I find it funny that people claim any 30K/40K history as "official" since GW has and probably will change that "official" history whenever they feel the need. My goodness people these models fought in a war that never happened. It's a game. Live. It's impossible to document a fictional event/thing. That's why it's called fiction and not factual.
Just as an example of retconning for most of 40K history Sanguinis was killed. Right there in front of the Emporer. But now, it appears that he got better and was only mostly dead.
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Garrac wrote: How much will cost the Mark 2 box set? Im eyeing to buy the actual 10 man-squad still present on the web, but I don't know if the HH kit will be cheaper
I don't think we have anything in the way of reliable rumors on this.
I believe when GW reboxed Intercessors to ten a box, and before that Sigmarines, it was 25€ for five and 45€ for ten. That's a 10% price decrease per model.
Khorne's Juggernaut rider models on the fantasy side also got doubled. I don't recall the exact prices unfortunately, but I believe the price decrease per model may have been in the 10% to 15% span. Something like 42.50€ for three and later on 70€ or 75€ for six.
Unless GW wants to price Horus Heresy plastics aggressively to sell as many as they can, I think the 20 man boxes will cost something like 75€. 70€ if we're lucky, but I have my doubts. It'll save a you a little bit per model over the current Mk.III box is that's 42.50€ for ten.
At any rate, this is just my best guess. May turn out differently in the end.
I'd not be shocked to see something like €55/$70 USD for 20 marines, 1) because they want the game to sell well, and 2) because unless you plan to run a pure bolter army you'll also have to shell out at least another $50* for one of the weapons upgrade packs, and perhaps another $25-30 for the rumored legion specific upgrade sprues. It feels like they're taking a bit of a page from the video game market and trying to tap into upsell potential at every turn with this game.
*Maybe the weapons will be a bit cheaper, but the Necromunda weapons upgrades have ~25 weapons and cost €21/$27 USD.
Just as an example of retconning for most of 40K history Sanguinis was killed. Right there in front of the Emporer. But now, it appears that he got better and was only mostly dead.
Garrac wrote: How much will cost the Mark 2 box set? Im eyeing to buy the actual 10 man-squad still present on the web, but I don't know if the HH kit will be cheaper
I don't think we have anything in the way of reliable rumors on this.
I believe when GW reboxed Intercessors to ten a box, and before that Sigmarines, it was 25€ for five and 45€ for ten. That's a 10% price decrease per model.
Khorne's Juggernaut rider models on the fantasy side also got doubled. I don't recall the exact prices unfortunately, but I believe the price decrease per model may have been in the 10% to 15% span. Something like 42.50€ for three and later on 70€ or 75€ for six.
Unless GW wants to price Horus Heresy plastics aggressively to sell as many as they can, I think the 20 man boxes will cost something like 75€. 70€ if we're lucky, but I have my doubts. It'll save a you a little bit per model over the current Mk.III box is that's 42.50€ for ten.
At any rate, this is just my best guess. May turn out differently in the end.
I'd not be shocked to see something like €55/$70 USD for 20 marines, 1) because they want the game to sell well, and 2) because unless you plan to run a pure bolter army you'll also have to shell out at least another $50* for one of the weapons upgrade packs, and perhaps another $25-30 for the rumored legion specific upgrade sprues. It feels like they're taking a bit of a page from the video game market and trying to tap into upsell potential at every turn with this game.
*Maybe the weapons will be a bit cheaper, but the Necromunda weapons upgrades have ~25 weapons and cost €21/$27 USD.
Good point, they may go a little cheaper if they are confident that they can reliably sell an upgrade sprue for every box of Marines. At least legion upgrades, if those are coming. I'm not sure they'd do that for special and heavy weapons as you may want a variable amount of those. I'd expect those to be bonus expense or profit, depending on which side you're on.
And while I certainly hope you're right, what can only be described as a reasonable price for a box of 20 Marines is definitely believe it when I see it territory for me.
I believe when GW reboxed Intercessors to ten a box, and before that Sigmarines, it was 25€ for five and 45€ for ten. That's a 10% price decrease per model.
The initial Primaris release wave had both Combat Squad boxes and Squad boxes, with the Combat Squads being a splash release.
When it come to actual reboxing and doubling of contents, we have some historical precedent:
At least in the USA, it went from 5 Liberators for $50 to 10 Liberators for $62, 5 Judicators for $50 to 10 for $62, and 3 Prosecutors for $60 to 6 for $74
Middle-earth relaunch went from about $28 for a single sprue of infantry to $42 for two sprues for LOTR infantry. (The M-E finecast sets went from $25 for a blister of three models to $65 for a box of twelve models.)
I'm hoping for the same kind of discount as I don't own any Mk III and would like a box, and $55 for ten is out of my desire while say $75-80 for twenty seems do-able.
Thanks GW now I have Ministry stuck in my head, which I guess is appropriate as Night Lords look so absurd, look so obscene
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judgedoug wrote: The initial Primaris release wave had both Combat Squad boxes and Squad boxes, with the Combat Squads being a splash release.
Correct.
Since I have reason to believe that the ten man Primaris boxes are a direct response to the five man Sigmarine boxes not selling two years earlier and getting reboxed to ten a box, and the equivalent 40k and AoS boxes sharing price points, I suspect the combat squad boxes were just the originally planned Primaris boxes that had already been ordered and printed and that GW didn't want to let go to waste. So still a reboxing in my mind, if an atypical one.
Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
Leo_the_Rat wrote: I find it funny that people claim any 30K/40K history as "official" since GW has and probably will change that "official" history whenever they feel the need. My goodness people these models fought in a war that never happened. It's a game. Live. It's impossible to document a fictional event/thing. That's why it's called fiction and not factual.
You didn't get the memo? The 'official' thing is a baseball bat used by screeching gatekeepers to assault everything they don't like out of the hobby. Case in point, every legion used every mark of armour, some were rarer, yes, but even 'preferred' mark of Legion X in practice was just a plurality, far from majority, of their gear. Despite this, these types latched on to Mk II armies as the only ones being 'pure' - even though the only point of 30K where such armies even existed was end of Terran unification and conquest of the Solar system. Any later than that, never mind centuries later like the whole Heresy deal and such army is patently absurd from lore standpoint - yet it gets constantly pear clutched solely because the Mk II is the only mark not available in plastic.
You can make every other mark from plastic boxes, with Mk V being most trivial (just use 'Heresy' pattern helmets or modify Mk VII with greenstuff slightly) - but if you attempt to do so, said types will whinescreech at the very mention (something I saw too many times to count) and refuse to play you and your 'yucky' plastic for daring to cost 1/10 of what they paid while looking better, more lore accurate, and with better proportions (which really says something seeing how bad these are in plastic squatmarines). Go figure. You're making an error of trying to approach insane gatekeeping rationally. It just doesn't work.
Another case in point, screaming at Mk VI at various gatekeeping HH forums and YT channels. Never mind it's really common mark of armour by late HH (being actual majority of new suits received by all legions at that point in time, next to salvage being remade into Mk V) yet all I saw was proactive frothing frenzy at both new models and people liking them (along with calling them various slurs, 'shill' being the lightest one). I even saw people sell or smash their preexisting Mk VI squads because they give them cooties now or something. I have no idea how any sort of even remotely rational thinking can produce this insanity
And the funniest part of all the above is, FW canned Mk II because it was just not selling due to being ugly and lore inaccurate before GW released Mk III and IV - then instantly got latched on and worshipped as the only 'pure' resin left. I just wonder what will happen once GW will release Mk II too - will insane gatekeepers then insist Mk I was really the only thing the legions used all along, or will bring a drill to every game to certify opposing models aren't these yucky plastics (it will probably be obvious from much better detail and proportions, but one can never be too sure) by spot checking suspect models?
Oh, yeah, I was refering to the mark III, not mark ii. Sorry
Ummmm then I don't know what to do, here in Spain the 10-men squad costs 42,50 euros, but if for 15 euros more we get a 20-men squad it's worth waiting then?
(Just looking to kitbash into some havocs+kt sprue since I freaking love mark iii)
Garrac wrote: Oh, yeah, I was refering to the mark III, not mark ii. Sorry
Ummmm then I don't know what to do, here in Spain the 10-men squad costs 42,50 euros, but if for 15 euros more we get a 20-men squad it's worth waiting then?
(Just looking to kitbash into some havocs+kt sprue since I freaking love mark iii)
Well, it really depends on how many do you actually need.
Crimson wrote: JFC, what does it matter? "The techmarine reversed the polarity of the neutron flow, so now it works fine." It is all made up nonsense anyway, you can just plug any gaps with more made up nonsense.
People should feel free to build their models in the way they themselves think looks the best.
Agreed. I don't know where someone gets off going "but dual technology circuits", as if any of us knows what that means or how they function or what compatibility they might or might not have with other technologies. For all we know its the difference between USB and USB 2.0, two intercompatible technologies that just so happens to run faster if everything involved is USB 2.0/dual technology compliant, whereas its bottlenecked if you use the older stuff. In any case, fact of the matter is that the explicit statements of the people who are literally making this gak up override any notional implied interpretation you may have taken away from it. Call it a retcon, call it a continuity error, call it whatever it is that makes you feel better about it, but at the end of the day it *is* all made up and fictional. It doesn't matter any way shape or form whatsoever beyond how its used as a justification by the writers for why things happen or are, etc.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Strg Alt wrote: The artist didn´t paint the legion symbol on the shoulder pad in the NL video. Was he told to wait for the inevitable upgrade sprue?
I've watched a few of the HH painting vids, and I don't recall Legion badges being used on any of them. Possibly they are waiting until a later date to release a vid on transfer application.
Honestly I look forward to using models that can be transported in a hot car without melting, but maybe that's just me.
So gatekeepers or not I'm going to be using as much plastic as possible because it weighs less, is less prone to snapping or melting and doesn't have the quality control issues FW resin kits are prone to.
I'm looking at sculpting flayed skin, adding body parts, bones and chains to my Night Lords. Been considering giving them all the Sinner's Red because it'd help splash some color in the midst of all that blue with a justification that the bearers chose so to mark themselves out as traitors in a form of twisted pride or perhaps fatalistic determination.
So yeah, I'm looking forward to this release and it's got the hobby wheels turning for me.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Who exactly is "gatekeeping" with resin minis?
I've seen a few online crying about people all playing MkVI and bandwagoning in because of the box set and some grumbling about the community changing because new people will be coming into it, but honestly it's largely died down over the last month.
