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Ready... go! My vote obviously goes with Astartes. Starcraft chumps seem like theyre just regular dudes in power armor.

This is not even a contest. A basic tactical marine is bigger, stronger, better armed, better trained, smarter, and is just all around better. Hell a Tac marine could probably beat a starcraft marine to death with his power armoured *fists.*

Thats pretty biased where is your evidence


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Terran marines have c14 rifles that fire 8mm SPIKES, not bullets at supersonic speed. Seems to me that any armor is done with.

Astartes fires self-propelled rockets, and seeing that little SC2 video, that SC power armour seems to simply be welded metal plates on a metal frame around the human soldier, not a suit of power armour.

Brother Thomas wrote:Thats pretty biased where is your evidence


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Terran marines have c14 rifles that fire 8mm SPIKES, not bullets at supersonic speed. Seems to me that any armor is done with.

No part of that weapon description sounded intimidating. 8mm diameter may be a good bit for modern rifles, but it is nothing compared to a bolter, supersonic speeds are the norm for firearms, and "spikes" don't sound really threatening especially since bullets are pretty much spikes of lead surrounded in copper optimized for down range performance.

As with all these threads there is no objective evidence....as two subjective descriptions does not a valid comparison make.

So later 40k marines vs early 40k marines...go!

Astartes:
1. genetic enhancements to superhuman levels
2. Power armour enhancing their already enhanced selves
3. .75 calibre rocket bullets
4. Chainsaw swords

Being that SC Marines are really just a knock off of Rogue Trader marines, they do not stand a chance. They are technologically and physically less advanced. Not to mention lacking the hundreds of years of experience that the average tactical marine seems to enjoy.

As I said, the Terran marine would fire only for all of his bullets to bounce off the Space marine's armour, and then the space marine would calmly grab the Terran by the head and smash his knee into the visor, break it, then grab the marine's head and rip it out along with the rest of his spine. Or if he's more practical he'll just put a well aimed bolter shell in that huge and vulnerable visor.

1 vs 1? That's stupid. It's like saying would a captain win vs a imperial guardsman.

Lets say you take 10 tacticals, with power weapon, flamer and missile launcher. Now let us take the equivalent amount of sc marines, which should be 20 guardsmen in power armor and a free first rank fire second rank fire with assault 2 "lasguns", yet they lose a d6 guys after using that.

You can run the math on that. It's a rough estimate, but SC armor is basically power armor, after all power armor is simply armor that is power assisted to move easier for the wearer.

This is doomed.

Look at you acting like you know anything about bullets, laughable

While I like the way starcraft marines look more, I would have to give my vote over to astartes. The enhancements done to their bodies, plus superior armor, plus superior weaponry and experience would make it a similar fight to the one in the Horus Heresy novel( the name escapes me) where the astartes fought 'the brotherhood' basically lighter versions of themselves and they roflstomped.

Brother Thomas wrote:Look at you acting like you know anything about bullets, laughable

Are you seriously trying to pull this "oh I know so much about real guns" crap when you are comparing TWO FICTIONAL THINGS? Seriously?

I usually stay out of threads like this, but that was astoundingly horrible.

Oh look, this thread again. How long until we have another "Spartan vs Marine" thread?

It's always 40K that wins. Always. Unless it's vs supreme commander. Then Supreme commaned wins because it outdoes 40K on the ridiculousness scale. Not saying that's a bad thing.

I'll just let matt ward write the new starcraft fluff, problem solved.

juraigamer wrote:I'll just let matt ward write the new starcraft fluff, problem solved.

Well played sir, well played.

Kain wrote:As I said, the Terran marine would fire only for all of his bullets to bounce off the Space marine's armour, and then the space marine would calmly grab the Terran by the head and smash his knee into the visor, break it, then grab the marine's head and rip it out along with the rest of his spine. Or if he's more practical he'll just put a well aimed bolter shell in that huge and vulnerable visor.

it says the spikes penetrate 2 inches of steel. and they also have stim. this argument is silly though, cuz SC marines are basically blizzards take on space marines.

I think power armour is a bit better than 2" of steel.

phoenixrisin wrote:

it says the spikes penetrate 2 inches of steel. and they also have stim. this argument is silly though, cuz SC marines are basically blizzards take on space marines.

Blizzard also says those marines can gun down battlecrusiers with their guns. GW can say all the want about SM, show me where a bolter can down a large void worthy ship and I might agree space marines would win, but as it stands only grey knights would.

juraigamer wrote:

phoenixrisin wrote:

it says the spikes penetrate 2 inches of steel. and they also have stim. this argument is silly though, cuz SC marines are basically blizzards take on space marines.

Blizzard also says those marines can gun down battlecrusiers with their guns. GW can say all the want about SM, show me where a bolter can down a large void worthy ship and I might agree space marines would win, but as it stands only grey knights would.

You ever play Dawn of War? Marines can take down Titans with Bolters. Titans are only in certain mods, by the way.

They aren't officially in dawn of war, just like how some of the GW related books say things that aren't officially in the canon. Granted it's a game, as is 40k, and being fanboys is exactly what the companies what people to be. Just take a look at the modern warfare vs call of duty crowds.

Regardless, without actual stats and data, all we can do is theorize on who will win. Theory isn't reality until it's proven with actual data.

juraigamer wrote:They aren't officially in dawn of war, just like how some of the GW related books say things that aren't officially in the canon. Granted it's a game, as is 40k, and being fanboys is exactly what the companies what people to be. Just take a look at the modern warfare vs call of duty crowds.

Good point.

Regardless, without actual stats and data, all we can do is theorize on who will win. Theory isn't reality until it's proven with actual data.

True, I still think the GW marines would win. No single viewpoint can have all the answers, so as you said, we would need data. I just hope we keep this thread friendly, rather than turning it into the mud-slinging match it usually becomes.

I think people are underestimating terran marines weaponry and stims. Its a pretty big deal

In this comparison the Astartes win hands down. But this might be more for the reason the Blizzard actually spends an inordinate amount of time balancing their games.

Not to mention it doesnt take a long time to get new recruits

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Kain wrote:As I said, the Terran marine would fire only for all of his bullets to bounce off the Space marine's armour, and then the space marine would calmly grab the Terran by the head and smash his knee into the visor, break it, then grab the marine's head and rip it out along with the rest of his spine. Or if he's more practical he'll just put a well aimed bolter shell in that huge and vulnerable visor.

it says the spikes penetrate 2 inches of steel. and they also have stim. this argument is silly though, cuz SC marines are basically blizzards take on space marines.

Good thing Ceramite is specifically said to be six times stronger than warhammer steel, which clearly isn't our kind of steel because there's no way it would be half as durable as it is if it were.

Well lets do some math based on these numbers.

The spikes are fired in 3 round bursts, each round will penetrate .33 inches of ceramite, so 3 rounds will effectively punch through 1 inch.

We actually have a real value on how much damage a starcraft rifle can do to the armor of a space marine. These rifles seem to be much better than lasguns at damaging ceramite, though I don't know the rate that basic lasguns go through said substance.

That is of course, assuming that warhammer steel is one hundred precent equivalent to modern high strength, low alloy steel. It's likely not, otherwise bolters could quite likely threaten leman russ tanks.

All that being said.. Terran Marines are salty bastards, always fighting as well. I'm sure they can handle a few bursts to the chest and face of an Astartes.

The space marine is likely quicker on the draw with their literally superhuman reflexes and a bolter is a much bigger and more deadly projectile. And that huge plexiglass visor sure looks like an inviting target. One that a bolter shell could slam right through, go into the head of the target, and explode it like the cranium of that one Nigerian Crimelord in District 9.

Kain wrote:

phoenixrisin wrote:

Kain wrote:As I said, the Terran marine would fire only for all of his bullets to bounce off the Space marine's armour, and then the space marine would calmly grab the Terran by the head and smash his knee into the visor, break it, then grab the marine's head and rip it out along with the rest of his spine. Or if he's more practical he'll just put a well aimed bolter shell in that huge and vulnerable visor.

it says the spikes penetrate 2 inches of steel. and they also have stim. this argument is silly though, cuz SC marines are basically blizzards take on space marines.

Good thing Ceramite is specifically said to be six times stronger than warhammer steel, which clearly isn't our kind of steel because there's no way it would be half as durable as it is if it were.

Well regretfully when SM fluff was first coming out everything sci-fi needed to be bigger and better. Hell, most of the early stuff reads like a 12 yr old fan fic. All it needs is a few added wooshes.