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‘Chop da Shooty gitz, shoot da Choppy gitz.’

If you need protection for your Boyz on the way across the table, and Shooty goodness, consider the Wazbom Dakkajet. KFF will help with the first, the KMB and Smasha gun with the second.

Hard task.

Tellyport strategems. A lot. 3?
Da jump from turn 1.
Wazboom plus 2 dakkajets to clear the screens before masive deepstrike.

Warbosses allows advance and charge.

Ignore other support characters. IMHO almost imposible to use them effectively in this scenario. But maybe some other opinions here...

russellmoo wrote:
The thing to remember is to be real about the limitations you place on yourself. In reality the way 8th edition's rules are designed, to make a melee army work you need to be able to reliably make it into close combat. This means for an ork army you can rely on a kultur bonus i.e. Evil sunz or stratagems.

Goff greentide struggles because there are no options to help them get into close combat, only buffs that make them hit harder once they get there.

If you want to keep within the goff kultur you can take a gorkanaut that is deep striking in. He can then shoot a hole in the chaff and use a stratagem to charge 3d6.

You can use your other boyz for chaff clearing on turn 1. Maybe make a first wave of boyz and stormboyz, then turn two everything else.

It is going to be tricky to get the numbers right. Also you can still be a melee centered army and bring some solid shooting. The fact is some things in this game just need to be shot, rather than choppa'd.

I sold out, but not completely. While my main army is still Blood Axes, I'm running 40 boyz in a Bad Moons / Dread Waagh SSAG detachment. Those 160 rerolling shots on turn 1, DaJumped anywhere, sound so good. Had to add yellow shoulder pads (blech) but the deed is done, and will run them soon.

i feel your pain not wanting to play kultures you dont wanna play either for fluff or painting reasons.
Its the reason i run pure bad moonz. None of my stuff except a few random hyper-old stuff is painted anything else (Snikkrot not counting as hes fixed bloodaxe so painting him in bad moonz would be weird)
Lot of things i want to run but are a waste of time if i use bad moonz, and mixed kultures with the same paint scheme is a pain to keep track of.

I don't think you can run an even mildly competitive ork list without mixing kultures in an unfluffy way.
I just think of my warband as a merry klusterfu.k of greenskins put together by fate of war, ready for some good ol krumpin hah hah

 JimOnMars wrote:


I sold out, but not completely. While my main army is still Blood Axes, I'm running 40 boyz in a Bad Moons / Dread Waagh SSAG detachment. Those 160 rerolling shots on turn 1, DaJumped anywhere, sound so good. Had to add yellow shoulder pads (blech) but the deed is done, and will run them soon.

Key word there is "Sound so good" but in reality are meh. You use 1 strat to mob up, you use another strat to dakka twice and a weirdboy to da jump.

The math boils down to being able to wipe out a tac squad in 1 turn. But thats like 130pts where as you used closer to 340pts and 3 CP to do it.


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 Vineheart01 wrote:
i feel your pain not wanting to play kultures you dont wanna play either for fluff or painting reasons.
Its the reason i run pure bad moonz. None of my stuff except a few random hyper-old stuff is painted anything else (Snikkrot not counting as hes fixed bloodaxe so painting him in bad moonz would be weird)
Lot of things i want to run but are a waste of time if i use bad moonz, and mixed kultures with the same paint scheme is a pain to keep track of.

My army is painted in a firm mismatch of kultures. I have a ton of Evil Sunz and Blood Axes and some Bad Moonz. I have ZERO Snakebitez and the only real Goff I have is Ghaz.

Looks like the new marine transport is getting a rule that lets them disembark after the vehicle moved as long as it didn't advance, but the unit disembarking can't charge. Makes me hopeful that trucks and BW's get a similar rule if we get a V2 of our codex.

No point if we can't charge out of it. Might as well stay inside and fire out of it with Open-Topped.

Side note: a multi-Kultured Ork army is about the fluffiest thing I can think of. Ork settlements aren't like the other races. You got Goffs brawling with Bad Moonz, and Deathskulls lootin' from Evil Sunz, and all the rest. And when they want to scrap with someone else, it ain't like the Bad Moonz are gonna stay behind while the Snakebitez go play. They all want to get in on that Waagh.

 DrGiggles wrote:
Looks like the new marine transport is getting a rule that lets them disembark after the vehicle moved as long as it didn't advance, but the unit disembarking can't charge. Makes me hopeful that trucks and BW's get a similar rule if we get a V2 of our codex.

Unless they give us a unit thats worth taking in a transport it doesn't really help us. I am assuming we get the reverse of this rule, we can get out and charge but not advance or some such shenanigans. But at the moment....what unit do we have that would use a transport to arrive into CC? Boyz? Not in trukkz and even a BW isn't worth it because if you lose 1 boy to Overwatch you lose 19 attacks.

Nobz? Still too over priced and not killy enough. Meganobz? Same as nobz but worse in my opinion. So what unit do you put in these transport to benefit from this possible new rule?


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 flandarz wrote:
No point if we can't charge out of it. Might as well stay inside and fire out of it with Open-Topped.

Side note: a multi-Kultured Ork army is about the fluffiest thing I can think of. Ork settlements aren't like the other races. You got Goffs brawling with Bad Moonz, and Deathskulls lootin' from Evil Sunz, and all the rest. And when they want to scrap with someone else, it ain't like the Bad Moonz are gonna stay behind while the Snakebitez go play. They all want to get in on that Waagh.

Damnit, I broke the exalt button

 flandarz wrote:
No point if we can't charge out of it. Might as well stay inside and fire out of it with Open-Topped.

Side note: a multi-Kultured Ork army is about the fluffiest thing I can think of. Ork settlements aren't like the other races. You got Goffs brawling with Bad Moonz, and Deathskulls lootin' from Evil Sunz, and all the rest. And when they want to scrap with someone else, it ain't like the Bad Moonz are gonna stay behind while the Snakebitez go play. They all want to get in on that Waagh.

Agreed, that's why I said I hope we get a similar rule not an exact copy. Even if it was an exact copy of the rule if there was a stratagem or additional rule letting the unit charge after disembarking it would make trucks more appealing.

Yeah for orks that rule is sorta pointless.
Tankbustas or burnas would be about all you'd ever want to do that with, and both would be a suicide tactic not a valid every-day strat.

I also play Admech and im super salty that even though we just got a transport that was given unusual emphasis that "it has a loading ramp!" we didnt get that rule, but Marines did when marines usually dont want it either. Admech would have gone bonkers for that rule lol

 DrGiggles wrote:
Looks like the new marine transport is getting a rule that lets them disembark after the vehicle moved as long as it didn't advance, but the unit disembarking can't charge. Makes me hopeful that trucks and BW's get a similar rule if we get a V2 of our codex.

Not really. Orks are not marines, they want to be able to charge.
The transport rules are a little backwards, they should have allowed disembark after moving, but reduce the minimal charge distance to 3" to stop turn 1 charges...not that those aren't already possible with tyranids.

SemperMortis wrote:
But at the moment....what unit do we have that would use a transport to arrive into CC? Boyz? Not in trukkz and even a BW isn't worth it because if you lose 1 boy to Overwatch you lose 19 attacks.

Nobz? Still too over priced and not killy enough. Meganobz? Same as nobz but worse in my opinion. So what unit do you put in these transport to benefit from this possible new rule?

Maybe Badmoonz Burnas? Hop em out, let em double shoot, then charge em in with their AP-2 CC Burnas? Throw a Banner Nob and Pain Boy in there with them, to fill up some slots in the Battlewagon. Probably not optimal, but it could be useful.

So, when is our turn In this psychic awakening?

Book 4 at the beginning of next year if I understand correctly.
We're up against Space Wolves, so don't expect a meaningful victory for us in the storyline.

Ugh, I hate that we're against the space furries. Wasn't a fan of that last time with Sanctus Reach, I'd hate for them to just do an effective repeat of that. Give me BT anytime over them. I was disappointed to hear that it wasn't against Nids since I know that the last big thing was the Octarius Orks still duking it out against the Nids in the system.

Given the emphasis on psykers, we'll probably get a plastic Weirdboy from the event, if we're lucky we'll get another psychic table and maybe Old Zogwort. Since the 2 factions involved in the Eldar one got one new kit each, I'm guessing we'll get either plastic Kommandos or Tankbustas. Space Wolves will get some wulfen-primaris thing or SW specific unit, with a plastic primaris wolf priest/rune priest probably.

Yeah im a bit annoyed its against Wolves again too.
Especially since theres bound to be stuff i want in there, and i kid you not we have 0 space wolf players around here lol. So i cant go halvsies, gotta just hope i can ebay off the filthy 'umie side.

Worst part is if the kits from the Eldar box is anything to go by, besides the new kits, it'll be mainly them trying to push things with low sales. So probably the obligatory trukk, stormboyz, warbikerz, killa kanz or god forbid anything like a rukkatrukk squigbuggy.

Box sets are kanz and deff dreads all the time


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Orks back in the top 4s, despite Ironhands everywere:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/dhrgmm/pandas_weekend_rundown_10121013/

At Midtcon Rasmus Olesen places second with the established combination of tons of smashas, lootas, SAGs and evil suns boys.

Andreas Drachmann comes in fourth with goff boyz and nobz!

Elliot Levy places third at Michigan GT with a deff skulls brigade and lootas.

 Jidmah wrote:
Box sets are kanz and deff dreads all the time


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Orks back in the top 4s, despite Ironhands everywere:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/dhrgmm/pandas_weekend_rundown_10121013/

At Midtcon Rasmus Olesen places second with the established combination of tons of smashas, lootas, SAGs and evil suns boys.

Andreas Drachmann comes in fourth with goff boyz and nobz!

Elliot Levy places third at Michigan GT with a deff skulls brigade and lootas.

That is surprising. Do you have a stream or breakdown on how Andreas was using his list? I'm guessing he made the boyz all skarboyz and marched up with Ghaz to drown the enemy in S5 attacks while the smashas do their thing?

What´s our best chance vs those broke ass IH ? Shooting, CC, or board Control?


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Orks flyer spam?

 Emicrania wrote:
What´s our best chance vs those broke ass IH ? Shooting, CC, or board Control?


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Orks flyer spam?

Picking up Iron Hands?

We are organizing a major in February and the first rule will be WYSIWYG with colour scheme aswell. I'm so fething tired of yellows IH or red WS...

Too bad that doesn't stop getting tons of IH benefits with parent chapter system anyway. Indeed lots of IH armies are actually using the custom traits as it is...

Also how you deal with orks then There's no custom klan system so are you going to force those with custom colour scheme play without klan bonuses?

edit: while I agree with the sentiment alas the GW has screwed up system so badly this just doesn't work. Alas we are stuck with free rules often leading to totally illogical combinations(like evil suns who wants to be the slow units rather than fast) and being totally screwed in terms of balance and really kicking anybody in the groins for trying to stick to one chapter/regiment/whatever(seems according to GW only 2 dynasties of necrons use airplanes and of those only 1 really. Rest have literally bonuses that have zero effect to airplanes...maximum advance? Gee. Planes do that already! Actually since it specifically says advances 6" rather than rolling dice would it mean plane advances 6" rather than 20" as other races? So weakens the unit...)

 Emicrania wrote:
We are organizing a major in February and the first rule will be WYSIWYG with colour scheme aswell. I'm so fething tired of yellows IH or red WS...

What if you army has a custom paintjob? No bonuses?
This is why I don't really like how the faction rules were done initially. The custom chapter thing should have been done from the very get go.

 DrGiggles wrote:
That is surprising. Do you have a stream or breakdown on how Andreas was using his list? I'm guessing he made the boyz all skarboyz and marched up with Ghaz to drown the enemy in S5 attacks while the smashas do their thing?

Sorry, no. The entire coverage gets drowned in "IH is OP" discussions, I couldn't find anything related to how the ork players played.

However, what those three guys did show us that we can beat Iron Hands, as the average player faced them them roughly every other game.

Most of their power seems to come from
1) castled up executioners(FLY and -2" charge against them) with iron stone and repair shenanigans that can pretty much move anywhere they want as they don't get -1 to hit
2) Invictors popping up 9" outside of your deployment zone to gun down infantry and block movement
3) TF cannon shooting twice (while re-rolling ones) and potentially halving movement of whatever it hits
4) Units that go over the curve by losing the -1 to hit penalty from moving and re-rolling ones like storm talons and land speeders

So I guess if your best chance at beating them is not getting caught on the wrong foot by invictors and then don't shoot things you can't kill - ie prioritize invictors, talons, land speeders, tf (if visible) and objective campers over the castle.
Charging is dangerous since the overwatch by most of these things is really deadly (high ROF, hit on 5+), and the executioners reduce your charge range, so use with care.

Anyone use Runtherds to keep Grots from legging it? I cant seem to justify 35 points =/

 Ratius wrote:
Anyone use Runtherds to keep Grots from legging it? I cant seem to justify 35 points =/

Even harder to justify when you consider a Warboss can do the same job and more. Runtherds are sadly underwhelming in 8th.

Theres some lengthy discussions about runtherders several pages back.

Jist of it: never, ever, EVER use runtherders.

You need 1 to cover like 2-3 30x grot squads for it to actually be worth it. And even then...just use a damn warboss.
Runtherders dont even use an elite slot so they arent even viable to fill slots up.

As passengers on a transport are not affected by aura abilities, v1.6 FAQ rulebook, do units in a battlewagon get the +1 to hit if competitive streak goes off?

I would say no, as competitive streak is a 24” aura effect from the unit that destroyed an enemy unit (my interpretation).