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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.


I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.


Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.


Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.

Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.

Except the entire batch will be boxed and shrink-wrapped before being stored because people will accept dusty shrink-wrap but not dusty sprues inside the shrink-wrap. These is no huge pile of raw cast-but-unboxed sprues somewhere.

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 Lord Damocles wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.

I feel like that might be a defence equivalent to 'Your honour, my client couldn't possibly have been the one vandalise the orphanage because he was shoplifting at the time'.
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I will come out in defense-ish of having a character locked in a bundle box. Due to how GW prices individual character models, the bundle box is generally how people will get it even when it does release individually. Because the wight kind will probably cost half as much as the entire box, so people will just choose to buy the whole box and get a lot more, ebay what they don't need, or buy the king individually from someone who did.


This reminds me of the Start Collecting! 40K that have exclusive HQs and named characters, and sometimes they are an afterthought. Plastic Ethereals on Hover Drones, Wolf Lords on foot, Artemis; it is nice to have the option to buy them separetely, but having them in a bundle cheapens them heavely (Plastic Ethereal, Artemis).

This also reminds me of the SC! StD, with all of the pushfit and hex bases, and the absurd prices they gave to the Silver Tower heroes individually.

Brb, I have to buy a SC! TS just in case they want to take Ahriman from the CP.
   
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An odd one I noticed while flicking through the GW store recently was it seems they didn't release the new Chaos Knights individually, they're still only available in the Start Collecting boxed set.
   
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
An odd one I noticed while flicking through the GW store recently was it seems they didn't release the new Chaos Knights individually, they're still only available in the Start Collecting boxed set.


None of the new sculpts from the SC StD box were released individually. They're all box exclusive but tbh, it;s a box of monopose alt-pose minis. The only frustrating thing is the Chaos Lord being locked to the box.

You can still get Chaos Warriors and Knights normally.


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It is kinda irritating that the pushfits StDs don't have either standards or musicians.

You want the new, monopose models, or do you want the optional weapons?

It is not a really big issue for the Knights, but the Warriors are starting to show their age quite a lot.

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 CMLR wrote:
It is kinda irritating that the pushfits StDs don't have either standards or musicians.

You want the new, monopose models, or do you want the optional weapons?

It is not a really big issue for the Knights, but the Warriors are starting to show their age quite a lot.


The older chaos knight kit is still excellent

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It is an ugly tangle of mold lines but despite making 15 of them over the last week or so I still love that kit.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
An odd one I noticed while flicking through the GW store recently was it seems they didn't release the new Chaos Knights individually, they're still only available in the Start Collecting boxed set.


I'm convinced they are saving the release of those individual kits for when the next book comes out. There's a rumor engine pic that looks strongly like a new chaos horse leg and has me thinking there might be new marauders in our future.

At the same time it could be something for warcry, so who knows.

Also new marauders will be bitter sweet- the mounted marauders have some of my favorite heads in the whole of GW kits. I'll be sad to see them go, but I will be ecstatic about new foot marauders.

   
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 Mr_Rose wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.


I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.


Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.


Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.

Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.

Except the entire batch will be boxed and shrink-wrapped before being stored because people will accept dusty shrink-wrap but not dusty sprues inside the shrink-wrap. These is no huge pile of raw cast-but-unboxed sprues somewhere.


You reckon? I doubt they'd store them boxed and shrink wrapped because that would be massively space inefficient.

I reckon they'd make up a batch of many thousands, throw the bare sprues into large storage boxes direct from the machine, move them to the warehouse, box up what they need to fulfil immediate orders and put the rest of the bare sprues on the storage shelves in the warehouse. I'm sure they're stored in boxes with lids or in storage boxes sized to the shelves to keep the dust off the sprues.

I'm not saying I know they do that, it just seems the most logical to me... and an explanation as to why they'd shove 20 old stinky Grave Guard that no one wants and don't match the current aesthetic into a brand new Start Collecting box when they've just released a whole bunch of new models that people do actually want.




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 lord marcus wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
It is kinda irritating that the pushfits StDs don't have either standards or musicians.

You want the new, monopose models, or do you want the optional weapons?

It is not a really big issue for the Knights, but the Warriors are starting to show their age quite a lot.


The older chaos knight kit is still excellent


The older one looks to have more options, but the newer one does look nicer.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Spoiler:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.


I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.


Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.


Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.

Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.

Except the entire batch will be boxed and shrink-wrapped before being stored because people will accept dusty shrink-wrap but not dusty sprues inside the shrink-wrap. These is no huge pile of raw cast-but-unboxed sprues somewhere.


You reckon? I doubt they'd store them boxed and shrink wrapped because that would be massively space inefficient.

I reckon they'd make up a batch of many thousands, throw the bare sprues into large storage boxes direct from the machine, move them to the warehouse, box up what they need to fulfil immediate orders and put the rest of the bare sprues on the storage shelves in the warehouse. I'm sure they're stored in boxes with lids or in storage boxes sized to the shelves to keep the dust off the sprues.

I'm not saying I know they do that, it just seems the most logical to me... and an explanation as to why they'd shove 20 old stinky Grave Guard that no one wants and don't match the current aesthetic into a brand new Start Collecting box when they've just released a whole bunch of new models that people do actually want.

Right but now you’ve just quadrupled the amount of warehouse inventory slots you need. Because when you run off a batch of sprues intending to make boxes, you also run off an equal batch of bases, and order the printed components to go with. So instead of storing 5000 boxes of Black Knights or whatever, you’re storing 5000 sprues of Black Knights, 5k sets of assembly instructions, 5k baggies of bases, and 5k units of cardboard box and whenever you want to send out five or fifty, you have to send four people into the warehouse instead of one.

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First look at new AoS starter race?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/05/18/the-rumour-engine-visions-of-beasts-part-1/
   
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It looks like some kind of... metal shield mask thing with eyes and crude metal teeth, that a tongue is impaled on? One of the first times when after seeing a Rumour Engine i go "What the hell could this possibly be a part of" rathern than "I wonder which one of the possible things is this a part of"

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The eyes look real, so I'm thinking a mask, with the wearer either being very masochistic and impaling their own tongue, or impaling the tongue of some creature for intimidation.
   
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The overall surface looks like stone with metal rivets and plates attached.

Downward teeth look like stalactites / icicles ?

Looks like a single worm (?) on the tongue as well as the spikes.



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 Mr_Rose wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Spoiler:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Tyranid Horde wrote:
Pretty disappointed the mounted wight king is exclusive to that boxset for now, that was the only model I wanted from the Soulblight release. Whether he's rubbish or not, that mini will make a fantastic dio centrepiece or GD entry.

I genuinely think this is why they locked it up.

People who want to actually start & play Soulblight? They'll look at the box and not really care. The usual GD crowd or the folks who grab new releases just to hawk on eBay or Facebook marketplace will be looking at their cost vs payout. The Wight King has had a lot of positive reception, with lots of "I'm gonna buy it to convert into X/Y/Z" style buzz.


I wonder if they're trying to clear out the old Grave Guard. I'll probably grab a set because I genuinely want some GG for my WHFB army, but compared to the AoS stuff they're a different aesthetic.


Why people keep thinking gw rips off old boxes? These are cast to need.


Sure, but "to need" doesn't mean one at a time. It's time consuming to change tooling to cast a different sprue in plastic, so they'd be cast batches.

Batches might be hundreds if not thousands, and if a batch doesn't sell out, they'll be left with a bunch of them in their warehouse.

Except the entire batch will be boxed and shrink-wrapped before being stored because people will accept dusty shrink-wrap but not dusty sprues inside the shrink-wrap. These is no huge pile of raw cast-but-unboxed sprues somewhere.


You reckon? I doubt they'd store them boxed and shrink wrapped because that would be massively space inefficient.

I reckon they'd make up a batch of many thousands, throw the bare sprues into large storage boxes direct from the machine, move them to the warehouse, box up what they need to fulfil immediate orders and put the rest of the bare sprues on the storage shelves in the warehouse. I'm sure they're stored in boxes with lids or in storage boxes sized to the shelves to keep the dust off the sprues.

I'm not saying I know they do that, it just seems the most logical to me... and an explanation as to why they'd shove 20 old stinky Grave Guard that no one wants and don't match the current aesthetic into a brand new Start Collecting box when they've just released a whole bunch of new models that people do actually want.

Right but now you’ve just quadrupled the amount of warehouse inventory slots you need. Because when you run off a batch of sprues intending to make boxes, you also run off an equal batch of bases, and order the printed components to go with. So instead of storing 5000 boxes of Black Knights or whatever, you’re storing 5000 sprues of Black Knights, 5k sets of assembly instructions, 5k baggies of bases, and 5k units of cardboard box and whenever you want to send out five or fifty, you have to send four people into the warehouse instead of one.


Boxes are generally flat packed until they're ready for combining with the product. They wouldn't come from the printer as boxes, they'd come as cardboard sheets that are folded into boxes. And the bases are likely stored in an even bigger storage box because they're common to many units. And I'm talking about their warehouse rather than the distribution centres, they aren't sending people into the warehouse for five boxes to send off to a random store, this is the step between manufacture and prior to going to the distribution centres where they'd be handling pallet loads of product.

Again, this is just my guess, I have no info of the actual GW operations, if I walked into GW's warehouse I would expect to see storage racks full of boxes full of sprues ready to be packaged, not boxes of models ready to ship out, I also wouldn't be surprised to find nothing stored because maybe they do only make enough to restock the distribution centres and store very little in their warehouse.

But it seems in the past GW have boxed up old stock as part of a Start Collecting to get rid of it (like the Orc stuff at the beginning of AoS just after WHFB was killed), and it seems like MAYBE that's what they're doing again with Grave Guard.

Another alternative along similar lines is maybe they don't have any stock stored up, but know they're going to retire a mould soon because it's worn out but not worth remaking, and so give it the final run before disposing of the moulds.

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Rihgu wrote:
The eyes look real, so I'm thinking a mask, with the wearer either being very masochistic and impaling their own tongue, or impaling the tongue of some creature for intimidation.


I mean the tongue has maggots on it so it's pretty clearly not fresh

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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This was probably mentioned earlier but Lady Annika features an optional bat arm on Next week preview article.


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If its Nurgle in the new boxsets then I'm out.

Nothing against the faction and certainly not its players( you all seem a nice bunch ), but I can't stand the theme. I can just about deal with Minotaurs in leather stockings but thats as far from the Shire as I'm going to walk...

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SamusDrake wrote:
If its Nurgle in the new boxsets then I'm out.

Nothing against the faction and certainly not its players( you all seem a nice bunch ), but I can't stand the theme. I can just about deal with Minotaurs in leather stockings but thats as far from the Shire as I'm going to walk...


I'm the same. I'm beyond over Nurgle. I've never liked the faction but never begrudged the people who do like it getting all the fun toys... but to pass to quickly on from Slaanesh would be irritating.

   
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I love Nurgle (or I thought I did. Love maggotkin, hate death guard) but I'll be annoyed if it is nurgle. Or just more chaos. We need more Destruction. I'm already going to be disappointed if it's not Fimir (which it looks like it's not) but nothing's a dealbreaker unless it's just another flavor of a chaos faction we already have...
   
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Given how Destruction just got Kragnos, i heavily doubt it's going to be anything for them.

Games Workshop are not your friends. They are not a small dev trying their best. They are a multibillion dollar company making calculated decisions about how many costs they can cut, how lazy they can be about relases, and how much they can paywall. They will do it again. Stop giving them money for this. 
   
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With them remaking the Forgeworld type models I think this will be the AOS take on Chaos Dwarves. Kragnos could be the herald of the "Bull Centaurs" or the lost cousin of them and then have the hobgoblins, Chaos Dwarves and all the mechanical monstrosities to go along with them. the face could be either like the old sorcerers who began to turn to stone with use of power, or part of a construct.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Rihgu wrote:
The eyes look real, so I'm thinking a mask, with the wearer either being very masochistic and impaling their own tongue, or impaling the tongue of some creature for intimidation.


I mean the tongue has maggots on it so it's pretty clearly not fresh


or a worm. Worms crawling through stuff features in Sylvaneth models relatively frequently
   
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I feel confident in saying that the new starter will be a Destruction army, after having Chaos in the 1st edition starter and Death in the 2nd edition starter.

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Then fourth can have an Order army, yay!
Owait that makes no sense… Order can’t fight Order… or can it?!
Ah, I see now, fourth edition will be Stormcast in lightning-powered mech suits vs. Daughters of Khaine! The edition will be called Insurrection Wars! It is foreseeeeen!

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Then fourth can have an Order army, yay!
Owait that makes no sense… Order can’t fight Order… or can it?!
Ah, I see now, fourth edition will be Stormcast in lightning-powered mech suits vs. Daughters of Khaine! The edition will be called Insurrection Wars! It is foreseeeeen!


4th edition will be Stormcast VS Cities of Sigmar as the Cities finally give up on being purged and decide ot throw off the shackles of their god in a huge uprising!

Or or Seraphon as the Slaan unlesh a crazy plan that's been bubbling away for generations

Or DoK as Morathi surprisingly backstabs him - again

Or or or Malarions army finally takes to the field in a bid to defeat the God King Sigmar and drive his Stormcast back a few notches so that Shadow can rise to rule the Realms nad drive back the forces of Chaos

   
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Or by the time 4th edition rolls around (in about three years) we'll go back to a different flavor of Chaos and start the cycle over again. With Kragnos ending the Broken Realms series and that leading into 3rd edition seals it for me that it will be a Destruction army in the new starter.

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