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I wasnt completely sure where to put this since it overlaps into about 3 forum areas so i just put it here, move it as you see fit.

But why cant Ahriman of the thousand sons use divination. He was from the corvidae occult in the legion which SPECIALIZED in divination. I know that giving him that ability would be pretty strong with doom and guide(or their equivalents whatever they are called, i cant remember i am at work), but i thought that many of the newly created ruels were put into place to back the fluff(tyranids with no allies). Am i the only one who finds this foolish?

Because he's not a good guy marine

No good reason, just GW favoritism..

Ahriman obviously isn't that great a diviner. I mean, look at his history. If he could tell the future, the TS wouldn't be dust and he would have stopped Magnus from being a dumbass.

pretre wrote:Ahriman obviously isn't that great a diviner. I mean, look at his history. If he could tell the future, the TS wouldn't be dust and he would have stopped Magnus from being a dumbass.

magnus was more powerful than him and was intentionally blocking his divination powers

dajobe wrote:

pretre wrote:Ahriman obviously isn't that great a diviner. I mean, look at his history. If he could tell the future, the TS wouldn't be dust and he would have stopped Magnus from being a dumbass.

magnus was more powerful than him and was intentionally blocking his divination powers

See, you're proving my point. He should have seen that coming.

pretre wrote:

dajobe wrote:

pretre wrote:Ahriman obviously isn't that great a diviner. I mean, look at his history. If he could tell the future, the TS wouldn't be dust and he would have stopped Magnus from being a dumbass.

magnus was more powerful than him and was intentionally blocking his divination powers

See, you're proving my point. He should have seen that coming.

while your picture did make me laugh and does have some truth to it, that is like saying that the emprah should have foreseen horus's treason, or magnus should have foreseen that his actions would destroy the golden throne. I believe divination can only go so far, even for races like the eldar, but either way, Ahriman is certainly skilled enough in the fluff to be given diviniation powers. Heck, in "A Thousand Sons" one of his main battlefield jobs is protecting his battle brothers by warning them of incoming danger

Well as I've thought of a bit from how they've done the powers currently.

I believe that may change to letting SC's have different paths/powers or changing up powers per dex, since most of them were actually FAQ'd in instead of hard-coded in the BRB

plus i think that he is at least as skilled at divination and most psychic powers as most farseers(as represented by his psychic mastery level even though i think he should be a 4 like eldrad, but i digress), who have the ability to use divination.

My guess is that Arhiman will have an exception in his rules to allow him to take it.

Regular Sorcerors can't take it, but Arhiman will be allowed to take Divination. Obviously to support the fluff(chaos in general doesn't do Divination, but the 1k sons do)

dajobe wrote:
while your picture did make me laugh and does have some truth to it, that is like saying that the emprah should have foreseen horus's treason, or magnus should have foreseen that his actions would destroy the golden throne.

The Emperor was only skilled in prescience as the weakest of Farseers canonically. Magnus was even worse. And Ahriman was pretty far down in the gene-pool there. How much prescience can someone really have when they consider themselves infallible, unbeatable, and smarter than everyone else in the universe, as all three absolutely did.

dajobe wrote:
Ahriman is certainly skilled enough in the fluff to be given diviniation powers. Heck, in "A Thousand Sons" one of his main battlefield jobs is protecting his battle brothers by warning them of incoming danger

His divinitory powers were all but disappeared by the time of the Heresy. There isn't much evidence they've returned.

DarknessEternal wrote:

dajobe wrote:
while your picture did make me laugh and does have some truth to it, that is like saying that the emprah should have foreseen horus's treason, or magnus should have foreseen that his actions would destroy the golden throne.

The Emperor was only skilled in prescience as the weakest of Farseers canonically. Magnus was even worse. And Ahriman was pretty far down in the gene-pool there. How much prescience can someone really have when they consider themselves infallible, unbeatable, and smarter than everyone else in the universe, as all three absolutely did.

dajobe wrote:
Ahriman is certainly skilled enough in the fluff to be given diviniation powers. Heck, in "A Thousand Sons" one of his main battlefield jobs is protecting his battle brothers by warning them of incoming danger

His divinitory powers were all but disappeared by the time of the Heresy. There isn't much evidence they've returned.

on your first point: what evidence do you have that says that the emperor or even magnus were as good at divination as the weakest farseer?

on your 2nd: where does it say this, it may but i dont remember reading it, what i remember is that magnus admits to blocking his divination but there isnt too much that goes on after he finds that out in "A thousand sons" but if it says that later, then cool

dajobe wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

dajobe wrote:
while your picture did make me laugh and does have some truth to it, that is like saying that the emprah should have foreseen horus's treason, or magnus should have foreseen that his actions would destroy the golden throne.

The Emperor was only skilled in prescience as the weakest of Farseers canonically. Magnus was even worse. And Ahriman was pretty far down in the gene-pool there. How much prescience can someone really have when they consider themselves infallible, unbeatable, and smarter than everyone else in the universe, as all three absolutely did.

dajobe wrote:
Ahriman is certainly skilled enough in the fluff to be given diviniation powers. Heck, in "A Thousand Sons" one of his main battlefield jobs is protecting his battle brothers by warning them of incoming danger

His divinitory powers were all but disappeared by the time of the Heresy. There isn't much evidence they've returned.

on your first point: what evidence do you have that says that the emperor or even magnus were as good at divination as the weakest farseer?

on your 2nd: where does it say this, it may but i dont remember reading it, what i remember is that magnus admits to blocking his divination but there isnt too much that goes on after he finds that out in "A thousand sons" but if it says that later, then cool

It doesnt, he made it up or misread something, the 2nd point he had may be true though

DarknessEternal wrote:

dajobe wrote:
while your picture did make me laugh and does have some truth to it, that is like saying that the emprah should have foreseen horus's treason, or magnus should have foreseen that his actions would destroy the golden throne.

The Emperor was only skilled in prescience as the weakest of Farseers canonically. Magnus was even worse. And Ahriman was pretty far down in the gene-pool there. How much prescience can someone really have when they consider themselves infallible, unbeatable, and smarter than everyone else in the universe, as all three absolutely did.

Is it ironic that you also perfectly described every Eldar thats ever existed right there?

Eldar have Narcissism down better then anyone else. Its practically written in their DNA.

Yup

Only the Eldar could party hard enough to rip a hole in the material universe, and then stage an after-party in the webway like nothing happened

Gotta love them for that

Yup, the one race that single handedly messed up the galaxy more then anyone else, yet still blame everybody except themselves. Can't get much more arrogant then that.

They really should just pack up and leave the Galaxy. Their Farseers mess up far more then they fix, often they make their own visions come true.

Grey Templar wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

dajobe wrote:
while your picture did make me laugh and does have some truth to it, that is like saying that the emprah should have foreseen horus's treason, or magnus should have foreseen that his actions would destroy the golden throne.

The Emperor was only skilled in prescience as the weakest of Farseers canonically. Magnus was even worse. And Ahriman was pretty far down in the gene-pool there. How much prescience can someone really have when they consider themselves infallible, unbeatable, and smarter than everyone else in the universe, as all three absolutely did.

Is it ironic that you also perfectly described every Eldar thats ever existed right there?

Eldar have Narcissism down better then anyone else. Its practically written in their DNA.

it is written in their DNA but in a prestige language you are not worthy to read

dajobe wrote:
on your first point: what evidence do you have that says that the emperor or even magnus were as good at divination as the weakest farseer?

Codex Eldar. As for actual evidence it's true, look at all the things neither of them predicted (basically everything*). Seeing the future wasn't big on the Emperor's agenda. Making the future was.

As much as I loathe to use the Horus Heresy as an example, in The Outcast Dead, the Emperor desperately wants to see the future but is totally unable to. He was an incredibly powerful psyker, but prescience wasn't one of his areas of skill.

*Don't bother bringing up that Magnus tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He tried to do that AFTER Horus had already turned.

DarknessEternal wrote:
*Don't bother bringing up that Magnus tried to warn the Emperor about Horus. He tried to do that AFTER Horus had already turned.

Always the best time to predict something.