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The lychguard can take a hyperphase sword, but the model it's self looks like an axe, so would they follow the normal power weapon rules or power axe?

I believe it's been discussed to death before.

The clue is in the name...

if you could send a link id love to see the forum

necronsftw wrote:if you could send a link id love to see the forum

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/search/filters.page


Then type in "hyperphase sword"

Oh, right, you will also need to click the button that says "search"

NoBaconz4You wrote:I believe it's been discussed to death before.

The clue is in the name...

Spoiler:

hyperphase sword

Then by that logic, the Eldritch Lance counts all armour facings as 12 at max, right? It is a lance after all...

A much better indicator of what the weapon is intended to be comes from the Necron iBook codex, where if you delve the Hyperphase Sword entry tells you it is AP3.

nohman wrote:

NoBaconz4You wrote:I believe it's been discussed to death before.

The clue is in the name...

Spoiler:

hyperphase sword

Then by that logic, the Eldritch Lance counts all armour facings as 12 at max, right? It is a lance after all...

A much better indicator of what the weapon is intended to be comes from the Necron iBook codex, where if you delve the Hyperphase Sword entry tells you it is AP3.

eeeeexcept there is a LANCE rule that that weapon does not have, whereas there is no "sword" rule but the weapon itself is called a sword and is a sword.

Also, it's really nice that that bit of information you provided is widely available to everyone..../sarcasm

Truth is, nobody really knows.

I'm in the "It's a sword." camp, but the fact it's just a power weapon means that there is an equally large "It's an axe." camp.

Discuss it with your gaming group until it's FAQ (if it's FAQ'd).

Does the dispersion shield grant an extra attack with hyperphase sword

nope. (the dispersion shield is not a second CCW of any kind.)

I am pretty sure this is no longer up for debate now that the Ibook necron codex specifically mentions they are AP3.

IcedAnimals wrote:I am pretty sure this is no longer up for debate now that the Ibook necron codex specifically mentions they are AP3.

Which could be due to any number of reasons. Till it's in the errata, I don't think anyone will be putting much stock into that.

i dont see where the arguement comes from.


Its....a.....sword. It's CALLED a sword. The Digidex SAYS it's a sword.

At this point no amount of argueing is going to make it into an axe. if you want better than AP3, take their other option, the Warscythe, and get AP1.

AP3 is still pretty good you know, it will ignore eveything short of a 2+ armoru save (and necrons have better shooty option to get rid of 2+ models anyway).

Irdiumstern wrote:Which could be due to any number of reasons. Till it's in the errata, I don't think anyone will be putting much stock into that.

If someone wants to state their Hyperphase Sword is an Axe--considering both the name of the weapon and an officially licensed product has the statline for a power weapon in the profile---really they aren't looking for a discussion, they are looking for an advantage.

Avatar 720 wrote:Truth is, nobody really knows.

I'm in the "It's a sword." camp, but the fact it's just a power weapon means that there is an equally large "It's an axe." camp.

Discuss it with your gaming group until it's FAQ (if it's FAQ'd).

That's not true at all. It's a known fact that it's updated in the digital codex to clarify that it's AP3, S: As user.

It's a fething sword. How anyone could conceive otherwise is a fething idiot. What kind of axe has a blade that runs all the way down the length of the weapon?

Could someone with the DigiDex get a screenshot at all to finally settle this issue?

You are all also assuming the rules people are involved in the digidex and that its not another "Timmy the intern in the basement updates this" situation like the wargear book was. Thats a lot like using armybuilder lists as an official source (or a WD battle report). Until the actual FAQ addresses this (ie something for the people who are not apple fanbois) this issue is ambiguous, like a lot of other things. Discuss it with your group and reach a reasonable concencuss.

Ostrakon wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Truth is, nobody really knows.

I'm in the "It's a sword." camp, but the fact it's just a power weapon means that there is an equally large "It's an axe." camp.

Discuss it with your gaming group until it's FAQ (if it's FAQ'd).

That's not true at all.

Yes it is? The digital codex still conflicts with the physical copy, so again, until it's FAQ'd, nobody really knows, since there exist two or more conflicting representations of it.

Avatar 720 wrote:

Yes it is? The digital codex still conflicts with the physical copy, so again, until it's FAQ'd, nobody really knows, since there exist two or more conflicting representations of it.

So? Physical copies conflict with the physical copies... That is why books have revision numbers.

The digidex is the most recent print of the codex and therefor becomes official and all older versions which are older are treated as being older.

We have barley been in 6th edition a month, they will eventually get it all sorted out... but when we are looking for answers and we have been given a very reasonable answer, purposefully trying to ignore it makes someone not looking for a discussion, they are looking for an advantage.

nkelsch wrote:
The digidex is the most recent print of the codex and therefor becomes official and all older versions which are older are treated as being older.

Sucks that GW puts out updates in one format but not another. At least they could mention that the iBook version has been updated on their website.

Even so I would say that nkelsch has it right with his statement about the iBook codex being the most recent and the official codex for Necrons.

40k-noob wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
The digidex is the most recent print of the codex and therefor becomes official and all older versions which are older are treated as being older.

Sucks that GW puts out updates in one format but not another. At least they could mention that the iBook version has been updated on their website.

Even so I would say that nkelsch has it right with his statement about the iBook codex being the most recent and the official codex for Necrons.

Print revisions don't happen on a dime but they *DO* happen. The ork Codex got reprinted next time they needed to make more codexes. I would not be surprised if the next time they run out of space marine and necron codexes that they may have some of the print revisions reflected. It is not unheard of.

I guarantee that even if it doesn't get re-printed, this is how 99% of event FAQs or community FAQs will rule until official FAQs make it through the snake. I would resist the urge to go all wacky on exploiting power weapons because it feels like almost all static models which have weapons that 'count as powerweapons' will eventually get FAQed or reprinted or whatever to have defined AP.

I10 Harlequins with Axes ain't going to survive very long either...

A digital version is not a clear revision of a codex whose current incarnation is the one still being printed. Where a newer print of the same codex is easy to identify as being an updated version, the same cannot be said when no version is clearly outdated and no longer in production.

The fact that I can walk into any GW and buy a copy of the necron codex off the shelf and still have it conflict tells me that it has yet to be revised, and that the digital version might well be the one that is wrong.

Until they release an updated physical book and/or an FAQ, there is no clear way to tell which version is right, since they are both currently supported and are both still in production.

Avatar 720 wrote:A digital version is not a clear revision of a codex whose current incarnation is the one still being printed. Where a newer print of the same codex is easy to identify as being an updated version, the same cannot be said when no version is clearly outdated and no longer in production.

The fact that I can walk into any GW and buy a copy of the necron codex off the shelf and still have it conflict tells me that it has yet to be revised, and that the digital version might well be the one that is wrong.

Until they release an updated physical book and/or an FAQ, there is no clear way to tell which version is right, since they are both currently supported and are both still in production.

Actually they don't conflict... one is simply more ambiguous than the other... it is not like one says it is a power axe and the other says it is a power sword. One says it is a sword which you have to go by the visual representation and the other says it is a sword, no discussion.

You have to actually be trying to distort the model to gain an advantage to disregard the reprint. The rulebook doesn't allow you to modify models to use any version of the powerweapon, just to use what it most looks like,which means for models which do not come with other options, you don;t have permission to model those other options.

Unfortunately, since I do actually believe they have been swords all along, I'm not capable of extending my advocation of the devil to counter how the interpretation of a different weapon works outside of people claiming 'power weapon = power anything!', so I can't really add anything further at this point.

ITT: Obstinacy.

I am sure the tooltips for the power swords for the sgt say AP3 on them too, as they probabably are referencing a generic power weapon stub item. Plus, like I said, using the iBook as an authoritative source is a lot like using Army Builder or the old Wargear book, both of which have tons of transcribing errors from their source material.

From a balance standpoint, no one is paying more than assault terminator cost for a unit that cannot fight them in close combat. From a RAW standpoint, GW faqs are the only definative final say on any rules issue within 6th right now, not what some technical writer working on the iBook transcribed.

Phazael wrote:I am sure the tooltips for the power swords for the sgt say AP3 on them too, as they probabably are referencing a generic power weapon stub item. Plus, like I said, using the iBook as an authoritative source is a lot like using Army Builder or the old Wargear book, both of which have tons of transcribing errors from their source material.

From a balance standpoint, no one is paying more than assault terminator cost for a unit that cannot fight them in close combat. From a RAW standpoint, GW faqs are the only definative final say on any rules issue within 6th right now, not what some technical writer working on the iBook transcribed.

This logic is insane. The iBook codex is an officially licensed and Games Workshop made product. Army Builder is not.

As for "Balance"? Pyrovores. Just... Pyrovores.

Just how desperate are some people...?

Well, I say 'go for it', model your hyperphase sword as a hyperphase axe, maul or lance. But when the FAQ comes out and the digidex is indeed correct, you'll have a lot of choppings and gluings to do...

I'm with the 'hyperphase sword is a sword' crowd, inconsistencies seem to be something GW take pride in and strife for, look at harlequins, DE FAQ didn't get the harlequin updates, if we didn't check the eldar FAQ then are we supposed to use 5th ed harlequins then? Since when is ignorance of the rule a valid reason to do whatever the hell you want? And afterall, a hyperphase sword is called a sword...

But I can see why people are sceptical about the whole digidex thing: It's just terrifyingly easy to photoshop the screenshot...

Phazael wrote:I am sure the tooltips for the power swords for the sgt say AP3 on them too, as they probabably are referencing a generic power weapon stub item. Plus, like I said, using the iBook as an authoritative source is a lot like using Army Builder or the old Wargear book, both of which have tons of transcribing errors from their source material.

From a balance standpoint, no one is paying more than assault terminator cost for a unit that cannot fight them in close combat. From a RAW standpoint, GW faqs are the only definative final say on any rules issue within 6th right now, not what some technical writer working on the iBook transcribed.

By that same logic, the technical writers working on FAQs and the codices also can't be trusted. What the feth is wrong with you?

Even so the model just seems to look like an axe to me, and a hyperphase sword, in the least of the physical codex says, it is a power weapon. just a thought

necronsftw wrote:Even so the model just seems to look like an axe to me, ...

It's not. The real-world equivalents to that style of weapon are considered swords, as the long blade is used for slashing, whereas axes generally use forwards force to push the blade through.