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As some of you might know by now is that bikes and mostly attackbikes got a buff with 6th ed.
I´m a vanilla marine player, White Scars, and I want a to hear your thoughts about attackbike w heavybolter?

3 Attackbikes will pump out 9 HB and 6 TL bolter shoots up to 12 inches, 24 after driving, at a cost of mearly 120 points.
All this with T 5 with a jink save and 2 wounds that can´t be insta killed.

Is it me or is that good?

It is good. I like to use mine as "clean up crew".

Mvh.

Its decent. I can see it working in an all bike army on half the bike squads.

HB squads should have Plasma guns as their special weapons while the other half have MMs and Meltaguns as their weapons.

Each model may fire one weapon unless otherwise stated. I don't believe you can fire both the HB and the bolter, as it is a single model...

I believe the Attack Bikes are specifically allowed to fire 2 weapons.

Grey Templar wrote:I believe the Attack Bikes are specifically allowed to fire 2 weapons.

says which rule?
What separate's them from other models? which rule?

Jihallah wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:I believe the Attack Bikes are specifically allowed to fire 2 weapons.

says which rule?
What separate's them from other models? which rule?

The bike rules. Each bike is allowed to fire one weapon per rider. The attack bike has two riders and thus gets to fire two weapons.

Back on topic, heavy bolter attack bike squadrons are awesome. They are cheap, can move fast, are still denial units (unlike speeders) and got an additional buff because wounds from dangerous terrain tests now allow armor saves. I've been using two attack bike squadrons (one with 3x HB, one with 3x MM) as my standard fast attack for years now and they worked well. The ability to launch assaults is money, especially now that Hammer of Wrath is in play.

PanzerLeader wrote:

Jihallah wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:I believe the Attack Bikes are specifically allowed to fire 2 weapons.

says which rule?
What separate's them from other models? which rule?

The bike rules. Each bike is allowed to fire one weapon per rider. The attack bike has two riders and thus gets to fire two weapons.

TY!

Yupp bikes can fire bolters also.

Since they put out an impressive amount of shoot wich cost almost nothing, also is a denial unit, I for one are considering a 3 HB attackbikes in my 2K army.

I have 9 bikers w heavy bolters in my BA army that is 360 points and yes I do use it as for riot control and emergency fire support.

Too me a good unit all around.

Yes, this is a very good unit. I'm shamed I forgot it was even a possible unit.

My buddy, Lormax, runs 3 HB attack bikes and 6 MM attack bikes in his jump marine list. Most turns the HB attack bikes get prescienced.

After playing against that army a few times the first target every game is usually the HB squad as most of my armies cannot deal with that amount of Str 5 firepower.

In 5th, MM attack bikes were the best choice.

In 6th, HB bikes get a little boost. Lots of shots help to knock FMCs from the air. Glancing AV 11 now has a point.

Bikes were good before, they are still good now, why would you think it had changed? Nearly everything in the game is a valid choice, except for chaos spawn and the space pope of course.

Attack bikes got a good boost in this edition. I'm trying to fit them in as many armies as I can right now.

juraigamer wrote:Bikes were good before, they are still good now, why would you think it had changed? Nearly everything in the game is a valid choice, except for chaos spawn and the space pope of course.

I hear you are not an old biker gamer....and no not everything is valid, but that is another thread.
Yes bikes are good now, but then they got a massive buff if you consider against 5th ed. Granted this is another game today then it was back in 5th when it was MM edition for attackbikes.

So I had myself a game against SW with my WS.
Used 3 HB attackbikes...they where awesome, no they didn´t kill droves of SW.
But they where annoying, high rate of fire and their mobility caused some disruption for my opponent.
Will try them out some more, Will have a game agains Tyranids next week and then I think they will shine. I guess they have earned their place in my 1999K tournament army.

3 HBs Abikes are amazing for cleaning operations and fit very well in fast moving armies. Not only in bikers themed lists.

The only problem I see is eventually the unavailability of Fast Attack slots for flyers like stormtalons or stormravens.
In my bikers list (vanilla) I do like now a days to have at least 2 Stormtalons and a MM Attack bikes unit. Considering all the MM available on the troop bikers I'll may consider to take HBs instead but this has to be checked.

Anyway, even if cutting to half the bolters effectiveness try to keep the max distance available all the time. I'm not telling you to stay alwais at 36" but consider to never get closer than 24".
This way you'll may throw only 3 bolter's shots but this will force your opp shooting you and with T5 and 5+ (or better) cover save you'll be fine most of times.

Besides, if he will force you to take a morale check remember Combat Tactics.

This is obviously valid for all your bikes. If you setup all you bikers units to be fully effective at 24" (plasmaguns+MM troops bikers units) than you'll may take complete advantage of the range, the T and eventually even of Combat Tactics.

Belsibub wrote:As some of you might know by now is that bikes and mostly attackbikes got a buff with 6th ed.
I´m a vanilla marine player, White Scars, and I want a to hear your thoughts about attackbike w heavybolter?

3 Attackbikes will pump out 9 HB and 6 TL bolter shoots up to 12 inches, 24 after driving, at a cost of mearly 120 points.
All this with T 5 with a jink save and 2 wounds that can´t be insta killed.

Is it me or is that good?

Sorry, I don't have my rulebook on me, so I can't look it up - why can't bikes be insta-killed by Str 10 weapons?

They can (force weapons work as well), but they're not longer insta-killed by Str8 & 9 weapons which I think it the point OP was trying to make.

Yup, it's that S8 that's the problem. Most armies have easy access to S8 attacks (meltaguns, power fists). However, where S10 is found it's rare and not easily spammed.

Well I also added a Stormtalon in my 2k list, and I must say that I was disapointed in the way it performed.
Granted I had few choises for him, mostly terminators. And as far as I know my 3 HB attackbolters outmatched the Talon.