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Me: *Sees a firearms thread*
"Oooooh, I wonder what they're talking about in there!"
*Most recent posts, Yanks talking about their EDC self defense guns.*
*Cries in jealousy*

Annnnnyways.


 cuda1179 wrote:
My friend has an "awesome" story about his brothers and reloading. His dad was a trucker and gone a lot, and also had a reloading station. As it turns out, a paintball fit very nicely inside a shell. His little brothers decided to reload the shell, guestimating the amount of powder needed to actually shoot a paintball without it being dangerous to someone shot with it. They were smart enough to test it on a tree, as they vastly overestimate the amount of powder. At that point they thankfully decided that this was a bad idea.


^ This is surprisingly not insane or unworkable. Simunition is.. basically just this, but refined with a bunch of testing. I've used it quite a bit in force on force training. It's really good for indoor, close range training.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh dear. Another ignoramous question. Brace yersel

For those in areas that allow concealed carry, and have the appropriate license?

When you are concealed carrying, what’s your choice. And do you carry spare rounds?


Sig Sauer P365. Small, light, and has a 10 round magazine despite its compact size. I also don't mind if it gets worn or dinged. I bought it for exactly what it's being used for. I don't personally carry a spare magazine.

I used to carry a Walther PPK which I still love to death. Got scratched to all heck though just from general use and that makes me sad. That's one major reason I switched to the Sig, it's not as classy so I'm not worried about damaging it.

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Eh, a carry gun is a tool. So long as it is functional it doesn't matter how it looks. My Glocks have all been worn down to the metal. Use induces wear. A worn gun is one that's been used. A pristine carry piece is a fashion accessory, IMHO. The finish on Glocks specifically can get down to visible metal without sacrificing the protective quality of the older Tennifer and the newer Nitride finish.

I've ways laughed at anyone complaining of an "idiot scratch" on a 1911. It means I've taken it apart and put it back together often.

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Denison, Iowa

I know I might be anal about this, but I was wondering if anyone else has the same philosophy. I don't fire any weapon I own until I can reliably do a field strip of it without looking at instructions.

Yes, I have quite a few oddball weapons that I haven't used often, or within the last 5 years. I might need a refresher course with the manual. I just don't like to fire anything where I don't have an intimate understanding of what may or may not be happening inside it.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
I know I might be anal about this, but I was wondering if anyone else has the same philosophy. I don't fire any weapon I own until I can reliably do a field strip of it without looking at instructions.

Yes, I have quite a few oddball weapons that I haven't used often, or within the last 5 years. I might need a refresher course with the manual. I just don't like to fire anything where I don't have an intimate understanding of what may or may not be happening inside it.


Kind of...

For any firearm I obtain, I field strip and clean it myself before bringing it to the range. I can pretty much disassemble everything I own by memory except for one thing...

That Ruger MkIII. It is a nightmare.

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Denison, Iowa

 Cothonian wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
I know I might be anal about this, but I was wondering if anyone else has the same philosophy. I don't fire any weapon I own until I can reliably do a field strip of it without looking at instructions.

Yes, I have quite a few oddball weapons that I haven't used often, or within the last 5 years. I might need a refresher course with the manual. I just don't like to fire anything where I don't have an intimate understanding of what may or may not be happening inside it.


Kind of...

For any firearm I obtain, I field strip and clean it myself before bringing it to the range. I can pretty much disassemble everything I own by memory except for one thing...

That Ruger MkIII. It is a nightmare.


Oh. My. Freaking. God. As much as I love to shoot my MkIII, I want to chuck it against a wall when it comes to disassembly. Those MkIV boys got totally spoiled.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
I know I might be anal about this, but I was wondering if anyone else has the same philosophy. I don't fire any weapon I own until I can reliably do a field strip of it without looking at instructions.

Yes, I have quite a few oddball weapons that I haven't used often, or within the last 5 years. I might need a refresher course with the manual. I just don't like to fire anything where I don't have an intimate understanding of what may or may not be happening inside it.


… I feel like you have a more technical mind than I do. I can field strip any of my firearms for cleaning, but my knowledge of how they work mechanically amounts to: "You pull the trigger and the machine spirit sends the projectile flying out of the weapon."

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The C96.....take down instructions are useful but to quote Garand Thumb "it's held together by German magic." Understanding? It's got fricken leaf springs like a Flint lock inside. Definitely machine spirits.

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I hate disassembling my glock. You need 3 hands to juggle it while you line everything up.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
I hate disassembling my glock. You need 3 hands to juggle it while you line everything up.


My best time is 8 seconds


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh dear. Another ignoramous question. Brace yersel

For those in areas that allow concealed carry, and have the appropriate license?

When you are concealed carrying, what’s your choice. And do you carry spare rounds?

As ever, despite being a Dirty Socialist Lefty, I’m not going anywhere with this. If anything, I’m looking to gain greater insight and as a result clear away the many misconceptions I have in my head as a result of absolute ignorance on the matter


Glock 19 for about 8 months of the year. 15+1 in the gun and a spare 15-round magazine. I carry the spare more for the possibility of magazine failure than the ammo. If the one in the gun fails to feed I can just dump it and reload.

Ruger LCR for the summer months. Easier to conceal than the Glock when I don’t have a jacket. I carry a spare speed strip of ammo for that in the watch pocket of my jeans because the little revolver only holds 5 in the cylinder, and it’s easier to top off with a strip than a speedloader.

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South Africa

I don't care about disassembly. I make sure I can field strip the gun, clean and lube it and reassemble to make sure nothing *major* is wrong from the factory.

I only learnt how to detail strip my 1911 after about 10 years when I was replacing parts and my Glocks after about 6.

I can now detail strip a Glock without reference to YouTube and my 1911 can get stripped out in a shorter time.

My 15/22 and my AK I'm much more familiar with. I started modding my AK the day I got it, and a field strip isn't much short of a detail strip. The trigger pin/hammer pins and springs are a little tricky but it's like the gun was built to allow farmers to take apart and put together.

My 15/22 was even easier. Captured bolt blow back and an AR trigger group. No buffer, no buffer spring, no gas piston on the BCG... One tricky thing is the safety detent spring is different from an AR.

My Colt .22LR, "Cadet". That thing is evil AF. Springs under tension after you remove the slide, firing pin cocked and held back only by the trigger ... Hell requiring an Allen key to field strip! Things a nightmare.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


When you are concealed carrying, what’s your choice. And do you carry spare rounds?


As always I must preface this answer with the statement that the Wife and I had a stalker who was addicted to painkillers and were advised by several persons as a result.

*Me: M&Pc. Spare mag with 17. Used to carry 1911 with multiple spare mags but calmed a little as threat has lessened.
*Wife: How she likes her pool boys: Large and Italian with more ammunition than the Canadian Army.

AS for new firearms. I grew up during the time when you had to field strip, oil, and shoot a firearm about 500 rounds before it would break in. Things are better but thats the habit I always had.

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 Cothonian wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
I know I might be anal about this, but I was wondering if anyone else has the same philosophy. I don't fire any weapon I own until I can reliably do a field strip of it without looking at instructions.

Yes, I have quite a few oddball weapons that I haven't used often, or within the last 5 years. I might need a refresher course with the manual. I just don't like to fire anything where I don't have an intimate understanding of what may or may not be happening inside it.


Kind of...

For any firearm I obtain, I field strip and clean it myself before bringing it to the range. I can pretty much disassemble everything I own by memory except for one thing...

That Ruger MkIII. It is a nightmare.

Same. Though with older used guns I strip it down to the trigger group, replacing springs as necessary. That Ruger Mkiii is a NIGHTMARE! Bought it for my daughter, she tore it down once and since then I’m the only one to have to deal with that knuckle buster. Great gun otherwise lol.

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Denison, Iowa

 Spacemanvic wrote:
 Cothonian wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
I know I might be anal about this, but I was wondering if anyone else has the same philosophy. I don't fire any weapon I own until I can reliably do a field strip of it without looking at instructions.

Yes, I have quite a few oddball weapons that I haven't used often, or within the last 5 years. I might need a refresher course with the manual. I just don't like to fire anything where I don't have an intimate understanding of what may or may not be happening inside it.


Kind of...

For any firearm I obtain, I field strip and clean it myself before bringing it to the range. I can pretty much disassemble everything I own by memory except for one thing...

That Ruger MkIII. It is a nightmare.

Same. Though with older used guns I strip it down to the trigger group, replacing springs as necessary. That Ruger Mkiii is a NIGHTMARE! Bought it for my daughter, she tore it down once and since then I’m the only one to have to deal with that knuckle buster. Great gun otherwise lol.


I know it's not "right" but sometimes I just spray the insides out really well with gunpowder solvent, let it dry, then spray gun oil into it. I only do a full take-down every now and then.
   
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You guys make some good points about carrying a second magazine in case of a magazine failure. I'm considering carrying a second magazine more often just for that reason.

   
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I am exceedingly annoyed. 2 months waiting for my DP12 and it finally comes in. Paperwork says one serial number. Gun has a different one.

Hopefully they can fax correct paperwork quickly.

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That's quite maddening. Hope they sort you out!

   
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Needs some thoughts on the potential purchase of a beater Mosin.

I already own two Mosins, but they are in remarkably good shape and as such I am afraid to use them (I put great stock in their historical value.) So, I've been looking to find a Mosin that's not in great shape so that I can shoot and enjoy it without as much worry.

I stumbled across a Chinese Mosin carbine. Barrel and other metal components are in good shape, still coated in cosmoline. The stock, however, is wrecked. Dings, scratches, whatever. The issue is that the stock is cracked through right above the trigger mechanism. It's like somebody picked up the rifle and broke it over their knee. I'm at a loss on how that happened.

So my question to you guys: This looks like a nice opportunity to practice some restoration work. However... I'm not sure how viable patching together a cracked in half stock is. I was thinking maybe using epoxy to re-attach the two broken sections? Once that's done, clean up and re-finish the rest of the stock? Has anybody done that before?


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Annandale, VA

Repairing a cracked stock on a full-power rifle, particularly a carbine that doesn't have a lot of mass, is always a stopgap even when executed well. You'd be better off getting a replacement stock.

But beyond that, I wouldn't be afraid to use a Mosin at all. If you own surplus Mosins, they have been shot and probably a lot. Being bolt-action rifles there's no gas system or otherwise fragile parts to worry about, and you would be hard-pressed to put enough rounds through them to shoot out the barrels. Just clean appropriately (especially if using surplus ammo with corrosive primers) and they'll be fine.
   
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Aye. If you are worried about damaging the stocks on your existing rifles, just buy an aftermarket stock for regular use. They're just drop-in affairs. If you buy that beat up rifle you'd have to do that anyway, and be out an additional ~$300 for the actual rifle.

As for that carbine, it probably happened when the rifle got disassembled sometime. The stocks aren't terribly durable when the rifle isn't inside them. Probably happened whenever it got packed away in the cosmoline. Then whichever embarrassed peasant was guilty of it stuck it back in the broken stock and packed it away like nothing happened.


Regarding the DP12, they did send the correct paperwork nice and quick. So fortunately that got resolved. The other unfortunate thing is the gun store is booked through appointments till next week anyway, so it'll be another week or so till I can start the paperwork.

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Well, to re-phrase it, I wouldn't mind owning a beater Mosin to use as a project piece.

Sounds like trying to bolt together a snapped stock is not terribly viable. I did find one article which was interesting: https://www.outdoorlife.com/articles/guns/2015/04/how-repair-busted-gun-stock/

Procedure is to epoxy and pin the broken components together. I'll do a little more research.

A few google searches aren't turning up much in the way of replacement stocks (original wooden ones, at any rate.)

Guess I'll keep my eyes open and see if I can't get my hands on a Chinese Mosin that hasn't been snapped in half.

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Annandale, VA

Yeah, pinning is the normal method for repair, but the viability depends on the action and the gun in question. A full-sized round like 7.62x54R, in a bolt-action system (no moving bolt to soak up recoil), in a carbine body (lightweight), is about the worst case for long-term survival of the stock.

The Chinese Mosin-Nagant carbine, the Type 53, should fit in a Soviet M44 stock. So if you can't find any T53 stocks, look for an M44 stock.
   
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Denison, Iowa

 Cothonian wrote:
Needs some thoughts on the potential purchase of a beater Mosin.

I already own two Mosins, but they are in remarkably good shape and as such I am afraid to use them (I put great stock in their historical value.) So, I've been looking to find a Mosin that's not in great shape so that I can shoot and enjoy it without as much worry.

I stumbled across a Chinese Mosin carbine. Barrel and other metal components are in good shape, still coated in cosmoline. The stock, however, is wrecked. Dings, scratches, whatever. The issue is that the stock is cracked through right above the trigger mechanism. It's like somebody picked up the rifle and broke it over their knee. I'm at a loss on how that happened.

So my question to you guys: This looks like a nice opportunity to practice some restoration work. However... I'm not sure how viable patching together a cracked in half stock is. I was thinking maybe using epoxy to re-attach the two broken sections? Once that's done, clean up and re-finish the rest of the stock? Has anybody done that before?



I did a resto-mod of a Mosin that was in okayish shape. The one thing I was looking for was one with a nice bore with fresh looking rifling. I HEAVILY recommend getting a new stock for your Mosin. It helps improve the cruddy ergonomics and felt recoils so much. My vote goes for an Archangel Stock, as it allowed you to use 5 or 10 round detachable mags, free floats the barrel, and gives you a Picatinny rail for a bipod. If you want a scope mount, Rock Solid Industries makes probably the very best one out there. It's a tad pricey, so if you would prefer a cheaper option for shorter range shooting you can get rails that replace the rear sites, which will work well for pistol scopes and red dots. A Timney trigger is easy to install and turns one of the worst triggers into one of the best, and adds a very easy to use safety, which helps. I recommend one from Witt Machine, however if you want a FREE one, I happen to have one that would likely fit your weapon that I can send you if you say please.
   
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Annandale, VA

Respectfully, while there was a time when it was practical/economical to sporterize a milsurp rifle, it's long gone.

I mean, if you're looking at $200 for a beater Mosin, $150 for an Archangel stock, and $60 for a rail mount, you could just get a Ruger American in your choice of caliber for about the same cost and have a significantly better rifle in the end.

I'm all for buying historical rifles either for collecting or just for the fun of shooting, but I wouldn't dump money into trying to turn it into something it's not.
   
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Denison, Iowa

 catbarf wrote:
Respectfully, while there was a time when it was practical/economical to sporterize a milsurp rifle, it's long gone.

I mean, if you're looking at $200 for a beater Mosin, $150 for an Archangel stock, and $60 for a rail mount, you could just get a Ruger American in your choice of caliber for about the same cost and have a significantly better rifle in the end.

I'm all for buying historical rifles either for collecting or just for the fun of shooting, but I wouldn't dump money into trying to turn it into something it's not.


Wow, Mosins are up to $200 for a beater? Mine was in good, but not great, condition when I bought it 6 years ago for $140. I also got my archangel stock for $95 on ebay. A rail that replaces the Mosin rear sight for use with a red dot can be had for $25.

While I generally agree that the golden age of sporterizing military surplus is long behind us, there is still room for it. Especially when the furniture on a Mosin is all ready broken. At that point it's little more than a barreled action anyway, and since the OP all ready has it......
   
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I'm honestly surprised that more people don't carve their own stocks. Seems like the sort of thing that folks would gravitate to as something that seems fairly straighforward to customize.

That being said, I imagine there'd also be a whole lot of terrible stocks in that instance, but still.

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 Hordini wrote:
You guys make some good points about carrying a second magazine in case of a magazine failure. I'm considering carrying a second magazine more often just for that reason.


After almost 3 decades of dealing with US military weapons platforms, my strong suggestion to anyone using a firearm is to become INTIMATELY acquainted with corrective action techniques for that weapon system. S.P.O.R.T.S. came into use far more with every M16/M4 I've ever fired than I'd like to admit. I've also had to P.O.P.P. the 249 more than any sane person should have had to, especially given the fact that the M60 didn't even misfeed as much as the SAW.


When I finally convince my wife that getting my FN FAL is a necessity, I will spend about a week doing disassembly and loading/unloading drills before I hit the range with it.

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The immediate actions with a FAL aren't that bad, honestly. Woot R1.

Most of the failures I've read about with the M16/M4 and M249 have been from GI's, the "spec ops" like Ranger and Delta seem to have far less issues. I strongly suspect the "lowest common denominator" maintenance. Guns gotta be lubed to run, not pass a white glove inspection.

While I've mostly used my own AK, I do have decent trigger time on AR's and have competed against them often enough to be able to guess which ones will fail. And it isn't the well maintained ones used by serious shooters but the occasional user who couldn't tell you the correct areas to lubricate.

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Kayback wrote:
Most of the failures I've read about with the M16/M4 and M249 have been from GI's, the "spec ops" like Ranger and Delta seem to have far less issues.


Regulars carrying them on patrol in sandy and dusty deserts have a lot more exposure to fouling than SOCOM guys going from the FOB to the AO and back in six hours. They're more likely to bang their GI mags into things and dent the aluminum shells, and less likely to be carrying PMAGs or similar polymer substitutes instead. And they're almost universally using older, more ragged, worn-out weapons than highspeedlowdragtierone operators with the latest KAC/DD/Geissele hotness. The 249 is being retired because there straight up isn't an O&M plan in place that can keep them running.

The majority of failures in the AR platform are magazine-induced- mag damage, worn springs, fouling- and there's not a whole lot that lubrication will do for you there. Lack of lubrication can certainly induce failures but I haven't seen that as a real issue with guys in the field.

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West Lafayette, IN

 catbarf wrote:
Kayback wrote:
Most of the failures I've read about with the M16/M4 and M249 have been from GI's, the "spec ops" like Ranger and Delta seem to have far less issues.


Regulars carrying them on patrol in sandy and dusty deserts have a lot more exposure to fouling than SOCOM guys going from the FOB to the AO and back in six hours. They're more likely to bang their GI mags into things and dent the aluminum shells, and less likely to be carrying PMAGs or similar polymer substitutes instead. And they're almost universally using older, more ragged, worn-out weapons than highspeedlowdragtierone operators with the latest KAC/DD/Geissele hotness. The 249 is being retired because there straight up isn't an O&M plan in place that can keep them running.

The majority of failures in the AR platform are magazine-induced- mag damage, worn springs, fouling- and there's not a whole lot that lubrication will do for you there. Lack of lubrication can certainly induce failures but I haven't seen that as a real issue with guys in the field.


100% agree with you here. I was going to keep quiet when I read the previous post because I've been utilizing these weapons since '92 as a servicemember, and the "facts" are flat out wrong in that previous post. It's amazing how many people seem to be experts on procedures in a foreign military they've never served in.

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