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Is it really irony though?

At any rate, if they were going to expand eastward Cathay makes the most sense. Starting off with Nippon, Ind, etc before doing Cathay would be totally backwards. Cathay has always been the biggest and most influential of the eastern factions, it has nothing to do with Chinese consumers.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Is it really irony though?

At any rate, if they were going to expand eastward Cathay makes the most sense. Starting off with Nippon, Ind, etc before doing Cathay would be totally backwards. Cathay has always been the biggest and most influential of the eastern factions, it has nothing to do with Chinese consumers.

Yeah, imagine the reverse situation; Cathay and the eastern half of the Old World has been the focus for thirty years, you’ve only recently introduced the Lizardmen from the eastern continent, and those pesky elves are limited to their raiders from the north and traders from the Citadel of the Dawn to the south.
So you decide to expand the setting west and while you put spots on the map for the ogres, you already know a bunch about them from their mercenary companies, so you go even further west and the human kingdoms there, like the fabled Sigmarite Empire you’ve been hinting at for almost as long as the setting has been around. So what do you do for the first army book in this new, unexplored land? The major economic and military power in the region, the one that mirrors the role of grand Cathay in defending against the North? No; Tilea and the border princes – that’s the ticket!

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 Mr Morden wrote:
The map in the Total War Game files has Ind and Kuresh (but not Nippon) and has been confirmed as a prototype so that might mean those areas will see something eventually
"There's no plans to do them in the immediate or even long-term future. ... People are kinda desperately hanging on for one of these other nations. ... Don't lose any sleep, it's not happening anytime soon. Probably never, I'm afraid." - TWW3 Head Writer Andy Hall on the subject of Ind, Kuresh and Nippon.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
The map in the Total War Game files has Ind and Kuresh (but not Nippon) and has been confirmed as a prototype so that might mean those areas will see something eventually
"There's no plans to do them in the immediate or even long-term future. ... People are kinda desperately hanging on for one of these other nations. ... Don't lose any sleep, it's not happening anytime soon. Probably never, I'm afraid." - TWW3 Head Writer Andy Hall on the subject of Ind, Kuresh and Nippon.


Yep. Sadly means we won't see the tiger headed beastmen in TW3 either.
   
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Of course, didn't GW say that regarding Cathay many years and editions ago? Yet here we are.
   
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I doubt they'll be making TWW dlc 20 years from now, though. Though we may be redrawing sections of the IRL world map by then

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chaos0xomega wrote:
 nathan2004 wrote:
Don’t rumors still point to a reveal at some point this year that dives a little deeper into the rules governing the new Old World ruleset? Hopefully this is still on track, be nice to see what direction this project is going in besides fleshing out parts of the world that weren’t really explored before (which I do appreciate).


If its the rumor I'm thinking of, no - the other rumors that came out in the same infodump have been shown to be false.

 Olthannon wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
So the big update reveal was a map?


More that Cathay is definitely confirmed to be in the game.


Something which should have been obvious months ago except for vaguely worded statements that were interpreted differently.


That's my point exactly. None of the prior verbiage was vague. What we have here is instead people being content with crumbs, the drip feed is basically showing people happy with hydrocarbons. This is a new level of no real news. The fact they haven't shown a SINGLE miniature has me wondering if the whole thing isn't still a stunt to curb sales for other companies who picked up the slack from WFB leaving.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
The map in the Total War Game files has Ind and Kuresh (but not Nippon) and has been confirmed as a prototype so that might mean those areas will see something eventually
"There's no plans to do them in the immediate or even long-term future. ... People are kinda desperately hanging on for one of these other nations. ... Don't lose any sleep, it's not happening anytime soon. Probably never, I'm afraid." - TWW3 Head Writer Andy Hall on the subject of Ind, Kuresh and Nippon.


Yeah I watched the interview - hence my caution depsite the leaked map specifcally showing those areas -

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 BlackoCatto wrote:
The bear stuff in Kislev is a little much.


"A little much" is basically the usp of Warhammer.
   
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 Just Tony wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 nathan2004 wrote:
Don’t rumors still point to a reveal at some point this year that dives a little deeper into the rules governing the new Old World ruleset? Hopefully this is still on track, be nice to see what direction this project is going in besides fleshing out parts of the world that weren’t really explored before (which I do appreciate).


If its the rumor I'm thinking of, no - the other rumors that came out in the same infodump have been shown to be false.

 Olthannon wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
So the big update reveal was a map?


More that Cathay is definitely confirmed to be in the game.


Something which should have been obvious months ago except for vaguely worded statements that were interpreted differently.


That's my point exactly. None of the prior verbiage was vague. What we have here is instead people being content with crumbs, the drip feed is basically showing people happy with hydrocarbons. This is a new level of no real news. The fact they haven't shown a SINGLE miniature has me wondering if the whole thing isn't still a stunt to curb sales for other companies who picked up the slack from WFB leaving.


I find the whole thing a little odd so far. I get that it's a huge project that they said will take years and that's fine, but it's been close to 2 and a half years now and for some reason we've still seen nothing beyond map icons and vague lore for any of the classic armies....yet we've had all new Kislev and Cathay? Slowly giving us bits of the map doesn't help much either as we still don't know what the extent of this will be, before Cathay some were saying this was just going to be "The Old World" part of the map as that was what they'd focused on (even though the term is also used to refer to the setting as a whole), so things are still somewhat unclear as to what parts of the setting are actually going to feature despite the map being the main thing thing they've been teasing us with for 2 and a half years.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
The bear stuff in Kislev is a little much.


The bear theming has been there for years.

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Iracundus wrote:
Of course, didn't GW say that regarding Cathay many years and editions ago? Yet here we are.


I don't think GW ever said anything about Cathay aside from some allusions about potentially going further east when the Ogre Kingdoms book was released. That's why it was such a surprise to see them pop up fairly well developed in TWW3.
   
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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I find the whole thing a little odd so far. I get that it's a huge project that they said will take years and that's fine, but it's been close to 2 and a half years now and for some reason we've still seen nothing beyond map icons and vague lore for any of the classic armies....yet we've had all new Kislev and Cathay? Slowly giving us bits of the map doesn't help much either as we still don't know what the extent of this will be, before Cathay some were saying this was just going to be "The Old World" part of the map as that was what they'd focused on (even though the term is also used to refer to the setting as a whole), so things are still somewhat unclear as to what parts of the setting are actually going to feature despite the map being the main thing thing they've been teasing us with for 2 and a half years.


Strangely enough I don't find that odd at all. It's by no means the only way they could have gone about it and not what I would have predicted or preferred, but it's so much like GW for someone in the company to come up with the idea of announcing the project the minute it's greenlit in order to gain <insert expected benefit here> only for someone else to then proceed to treat the previews of it in much the same way as they do with any other release, stubbornly refusing to show certain things before they hit a certain time before release.

At this point I'm much more interested in how GW's Old World marketing develops than the actual game.

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 Londinium wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
Of course, didn't GW say that regarding Cathay many years and editions ago? Yet here we are.


I don't think GW ever said anything about Cathay aside from some allusions about potentially going further east when the Ogre Kingdoms book was released. That's why it was such a surprise to see them pop up fairly well developed in TWW3.

Yeah, this is the actual reason I got annoyed at them breaking the old world. They swapped a setting with not just established lore for one with none, and no apparent desire (at the time) to have any, but one with decades more potential exploration to do. Incredible potential being wasted is never something I can be OK with, so I’m happy to see them continuing with TWW3 and/or the Old World project. So I’d love to see them explore Araby, Ind, the fishmen etc. too…

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 BlackoCatto wrote:
The bear stuff in Kislev is a little much.

Not really.
Yes, entire bear cav regiments does seem excessive, but then again most factions have some sort of exotic cav unit and bear cav were a thing for Kislev, just regulated to character mounts.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
The map in the Total War Game files has Ind and Kuresh (but not Nippon) and has been confirmed as a prototype so that might mean those areas will see something eventually

Why would there be Nippon when adding it would require whole new complicated mechanic (navies) to benefit basically a single minor faction? Adding stuff that is actually connected by land to existing map is vastly easier and no-brainer really. Then you also have half-daemon beastmen army from the jungles of the south that would make much more interesting addition than Nippon, IMO.

Also, no one remembers genius Nippon WFB lore? With brilliant names like Toyota Atari Nissan Honda Sega Sanyo Mitsubishi? Either GW retcons all of that and basically rewrites the faction from scratch, or they will end up ridiculed everywhere for '10 year old wrote that' quality of it
   
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 Irbis wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
The map in the Total War Game files has Ind and Kuresh (but not Nippon) and has been confirmed as a prototype so that might mean those areas will see something eventually

Why would there be Nippon when adding it would require whole new complicated mechanic (navies) to benefit basically a single minor faction? Adding stuff that is actually connected by land to existing map is vastly easier and no-brainer really. Then you also have half-daemon beastmen army from the jungles of the south that would make much more interesting addition than Nippon, IMO.

Also, no one remembers genius Nippon WFB lore? With brilliant names like Toyota Atari Nissan Honda Sega Sanyo Mitsubishi? Either GW retcons all of that and basically rewrites the faction from scratch, or they will end up ridiculed everywhere for '10 year old wrote that' quality of it


Those are unironically brilliant names though.
   
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Creative has also said the same about Araby, so we won't be getting them either even though they are within the footprint of the existing map. Fleshing out kislev and cathay had to be s massive undertaking, i would guess that rhe dev time and cost on another 4 unseen factions would be well in excess of what CA and GW care to commit right now. Maybe if we're lucky GW extends the license and we get a TWW4 with more content down the line... though I think with TOW coming back to tabletop that might not be too likely.

 Just Tony wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
 nathan2004 wrote:
Don’t rumors still point to a reveal at some point this year that dives a little deeper into the rules governing the new Old World ruleset? Hopefully this is still on track, be nice to see what direction this project is going in besides fleshing out parts of the world that weren’t really explored before (which I do appreciate).


If its the rumor I'm thinking of, no - the other rumors that came out in the same infodump have been shown to be false.

 Olthannon wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
So the big update reveal was a map?


More that Cathay is definitely confirmed to be in the game.


Something which should have been obvious months ago except for vaguely worded statements that were interpreted differently.


That's my point exactly. None of the prior verbiage was vague. What we have here is instead people being content with crumbs, the drip feed is basically showing people happy with hydrocarbons. This is a new level of no real news. The fact they haven't shown a SINGLE miniature has me wondering if the whole thing isn't still a stunt to curb sales for other companies who picked up the slack from WFB leaving.


They were vague in the sense that they didn't explicitly say "Cathay is getting minis for The Old World"


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 Irbis wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
The map in the Total War Game files has Ind and Kuresh (but not Nippon) and has been confirmed as a prototype so that might mean those areas will see something eventually

Why would there be Nippon when adding it would require whole new complicated mechanic (navies) to benefit basically a single minor faction? Adding stuff that is actually connected by land to existing map is vastly easier and no-brainer really. Then you also have half-daemon beastmen army from the jungles of the south that would make much more interesting addition than Nippon, IMO.

Also, no one remembers genius Nippon WFB lore? With brilliant names like Toyota Atari Nissan Honda Sega Sanyo Mitsubishi? Either GW retcons all of that and basically rewrites the faction from scratch, or they will end up ridiculed everywhere for '10 year old wrote that' quality of it


Those are unironically brilliant names though.


No, it really isnt.

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 Irbis wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:
The map in the Total War Game files has Ind and Kuresh (but not Nippon) and has been confirmed as a prototype so that might mean those areas will see something eventually

Why would there be Nippon when adding it would require whole new complicated mechanic (navies) to benefit basically a single minor faction? Adding stuff that is actually connected by land to existing map is vastly easier and no-brainer really. Then you also have half-daemon beastmen army from the jungles of the south that would make much more interesting addition than Nippon, IMO.

Also, no one remembers genius Nippon WFB lore? With brilliant names like Toyota Atari Nissan Honda Sega Sanyo Mitsubishi? Either GW retcons all of that and basically rewrites the faction from scratch, or they will end up ridiculed everywhere for '10 year old wrote that' quality of it


Which is what I said - as Nippon is not on the map.

The limited WFB lore will likely be redone if needed and wanted - there are some newer bits in WFRP but rare

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 BlackoCatto wrote:
The bear stuff in Kislev is a little much.
While my opinion is different, I respect this as entirely valid.

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 Irbis wrote:
Also, no one remembers genius Nippon WFB lore? With brilliant names like Toyota Atari Nissan Honda Sega Sanyo Mitsubishi? Either GW retcons all of that and basically rewrites the faction from scratch, or they will end up ridiculed everywhere for '10 year old wrote that' quality of it


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JSG wrote:
Those are unironically brilliant names though.

Not really. It's like calling Empire characters Adolf Mauser Tiger Messershmitt Dornier Stuka. Something that only a juvenile in 80s could call cool.

But it gets better. Nippon worships great gods Lancia Zero and Orange Simca. They have Vimto martial art and are also so bloodthirsty that if they aren't allowed to kill a peasant for ten minutes they commit ritual suicide by standing on their head in a bucket of piss. There is no salvaging any of this gak in anything even remotely close to serious product
   
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Wait... what? Really? Thats actual Nippon fluff!??

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new stuff will release at a snails pace, even allowing for rules allowing people to play their existing collections held over, what’s to drive new interest? I shudder to think of the prices. But I suppose GW’s wish is to be a boutique product and a rich mans hobby. So if they can harpoon some whales I guess that will please them.

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 BlackoCatto wrote:
The bear stuff in Kislev is a little much.

Do you find it... unbearable?

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 Dysartes wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
The bear stuff in Kislev is a little much.

Do you find it... unbearable?


I would have thought overbearing, but that's just me.

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 Geifer wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
The bear stuff in Kislev is a little much.

Do you find it... unbearable?


I would have thought overbearing, but that's just me.


Its just the bare necessities of life....not that the cold bothers them anyway.

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 Irbis wrote:
JSG wrote:
Those are unironically brilliant names though.

Not really. It's like calling Empire characters Adolf Mauser Tiger Messershmitt Dornier Stuka. Something that only a juvenile in 80s could call cool.

But it gets better. Nippon worships great gods Lancia Zero and Orange Simca. They have Vimto martial art and are also so bloodthirsty that if they aren't allowed to kill a peasant for ten minutes they commit ritual suicide by standing on their head in a bucket of piss. There is no salvaging any of this gak in anything even remotely close to serious product

If true, that's pretty bad, even by 80s GW standards.



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 Dysartes wrote:
 BlackoCatto wrote:
The bear stuff in Kislev is a little much.

Do you find it... unbearable?

I quite like them, perursinally.
Can't wait to get my claws into them.

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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
JSG wrote:
Those are unironically brilliant names though.

Not really. It's like calling Empire characters Adolf Mauser Tiger Messershmitt Dornier Stuka. Something that only a juvenile in 80s could call cool.

But it gets better. Nippon worships great gods Lancia Zero and Orange Simca. They have Vimto martial art and are also so bloodthirsty that if they aren't allowed to kill a peasant for ten minutes they commit ritual suicide by standing on their head in a bucket of piss. There is no salvaging any of this gak in anything even remotely close to serious product

If true, that's pretty bad, even by 80s GW standards.


There wasn't a single character called all that, there was a character that involved a joke of naming things relating to him after Japanese manufacturers and such. A character named Sanyo Kawasaki, who had companions named Nissan, Honda Susuki, Fujimi, Nagajima and Atachi and used the magic sword Toyota. He lost assembled an army to siege the capital and lost, and then committed ritual suicide by "standing on his head in a bucket of cold water." So from what I can find the lore doesn't sound quite so bad as that post makes it out to be. They've already "salvaged it into a serious product" as their other lore about them seems less silly so if they did get featured in The Old World or somewhere else then it's not as if they'd have to re-invent the whole faction, it's not as if they were just a joke.



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