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Do Kor'sarro Khan Chapter tactics cover the whole army or just C:SM units?

And yes checked FQA it doesn't say.(or I missed it.)

What other army could you take that has the Combat Tactics special rule?

I think he is suggesting that if you allied with other PA books....I highly doubt this is so but look in the FAQ at chapter tactics and make sure it doesn't read "this only effect C:SM units with combat tactics"

All Chapter Tactics rules say they exchange Combat Tactics with the special version of Chapter Tactics listed. So unless the other army also has Combat Tactics it will not effect the allied detachment.

Captain Antivas wrote:All Chapter Tactics rules say they exchange Combat Tactics with the special version of Chapter Tactics listed. So unless the other army also has Combat Tactics it will not effect the allied detachment.

False. You should read Kahns and Vulkans rules sometime. And Pedro's.

RAW all dedicated transports get outflank. I doubt it's intended though.

rigeld2 wrote:

Captain Antivas wrote:All Chapter Tactics rules say they exchange Combat Tactics with the special version of Chapter Tactics listed. So unless the other army also has Combat Tactics it will not effect the allied detachment.

False. You should read Kahns and Vulkans rules sometime. And Pedro's.

RAW all dedicated transports get outflank. I doubt it's intended though.

Pedro has a 2 part rule. The first part says "If you include Pedro Kantor then all units in your army exchange the Combat Tactics special rule for the Stubborn universal special rule..." so although all benefits of his rule don't have to be exchanged there is half of it that does, and the 2nd half only affects Sternguards and not the army as a whole. Which means if your ally doesn't have Sternguards you don't get the 2nd benefit.

Vulkan you are right, I forgot about that. Good catch.

Khan also says "all units in your army exchange the Combat Tactics special rule for the ability to outflank." Exchange, just like with Pedro, if you don't have Combat Tactics you cannot exchange it so you don't get the benefit if you do not have Combat Tactics, unless as you pointed out you are in a DT. But a foot slogging ally does not get Outflank unless it also has Combat Tactics. So you are mostly right about Khan too. And since that was the OP question is the most important.

From the way I read it for those that "Replace chapter tactics" then yes only space marines with the rule get the bonus. How ever for those like Vulcan it would fall under the allies ruling, For battle brothers you get all positive bonus. thus I would say yes, they are combined "Your army" and you get the bonus. how ever ONLY for battle brothers, I used this same logic at a lot of tourney's before the new sisters codex came out. Vulcan and the old witch hunters was a Nice combo.

aleis wrote:From the way I read it for those that "Replace chapter tactics" then yes only space marines with the rule get the bonus. How ever for those like Vulcan it would fall under the allies ruling, For battle brothers you get all positive bonus. thus I would say yes, they are combined "Your army" and you get the bonus. how ever ONLY for battle brothers, I used this same logic at a lot of tourney's before the new sisters codex came out. Vulcan and the old witch hunters was a Nice combo.

No, you do not get to use Vulcans rules for anything that is not from the SM Codex.

page 109 under the Partial force organization charts heading,
"If your codex contains the primary detachment section of the Force Organization chart, the allied detachment and fortification sections will not be present, as individual codexes do not contain rules for allied units or fortifications."

Deathreaper - you're right, but for the wrong reason. That line, when taken in context, is essentially saying that you need to follow the rulebook for how your Codex's rules cover allies and fortifications because it won't be in the Codex itself. It doesn't say that your Codex's rules won't *affect* your allies, and in fact the allies rules for Battle Brothers says exactly the opposite.

Instead, Vulkan's ability applies to any friendly models from Codex: Space Marines because the FAQ now says so.

This raised another question in my head - what if you had two versions of Chapter Tactics in different detachments? For instance - can I have Pedro allied with Vulkan, to give me the +1 Attack bonus AND twin-linked weaponry? This depends on the definition of the word army, and to me that means the entire selection of units covered by your points, not just a detachment. So far my argument for this is within the FAQ again, top right of page 3. It mentions that such a decision needs to be made on the army list.

Super Ready wrote:Deathreaper - you're right, but for the wrong reason. That line, when taken in context, is essentially saying that you need to follow the rulebook for how your Codex's rules cover allies and fortifications because it won't be in the Codex itself. It doesn't say that your Codex's rules won't *affect* your allies, and in fact the allies rules for Battle Brothers says exactly the opposite.

Instead, Vulkan's ability applies to any friendly models from Codex: Space Marines because the FAQ now says so.

This raised another question in my head - what if you had two versions of Chapter Tactics in different detachments? For instance - can I have Pedro allied with Vulkan, to give me the +1 Attack bonus AND twin-linked weaponry? This depends on the definition of the word army, and to me that means the entire selection of units covered by your points, not just a detachment. So far my argument for this is within the FAQ again, top right of page 3. It mentions that such a decision needs to be made on the army list.

You are prohibited from building an army like this. Allied detachments must be chosen from a different Codex (page 109). Per the normal C:SM rules, you would have to choose between Pedro and Vulkan's Chapter Tactics for which would affect the army. Pedro would get to use his +1A bubble since that is a seperate rule from his Chapter Tactics (replace Combat Tactics with Stubborn).

Steel Angel wrote:Do Kor'sarro Khan Chapter tactics cover the whole army or just C:SM units?

And yes checked FQA it doesn't say.(or I missed it.)

I've brought this up before. There's nothing you're missing. RAW, the second part of his rule affects allied units, and GW neglected to FAQ while FAQ'ing other abilities from similar characters (providing weak RAI). However, I'd definitely check with your TO or opponent before using it.

Ricter wrote:

Steel Angel wrote:Do Kor'sarro Khan Chapter tactics cover the whole army or just C:SM units?

And yes checked FQA it doesn't say.(or I missed it.)

RAW, the second part of his rule affects allied units.

No it does not.

Army, taken in context from Kor'sarro Khan's rule means Codex Space Marines units. (And Battle Brothers maybe pending FAQ)