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 ph34r wrote:
Hmm, those do sound good.

However I have a weird particular problem, in that I want to use Nighthaunt revenants etc for models. I guess that makes me lean toward more sword-armed types, unless i could represent daemonettes somehow with more obvious weaopns

Dreadscythe Harridans look the part for Daemonettes & Heralds
Lady Olynder is perfect for KoS or flying DP
Myrmourn Banshees, Crawlocke et al, Hexwraiths, or Glaivewrath Stalkers could be Fiends or Seekers
Kurdoss or Tomb Banshee could be an Infernal Enrapturess

Very true, I like all the models except personally I think the revenants look a lot better than the harridans. I could still do slaanesh but just use revenants anyway to be honest. Any of the chaos gods would be fine in theory.

Well, FWIW, "the meta" considers Bloodletters superior to Daemonettes.

The meta isnt wrong per se, but i see them in different lights. They don't compete with each other really. Bloodletters are best when your dropping large blobs onto enemy units through deep strike (the venerable bloodletter bomb). Slaanesh demonettes work best in small 10 man blobs running full speed up the board within their loci bubble. If you tried to reverse their rolls both units would do worse in that respective roll. A 30 blob demonette squad isnt going to hurt as much deep striking then charging and 6 10-demon blobs of bloodletters are going to take longer and get shot more before getting into range to assault.

I mean, obviously I prefer Daemonettes.

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I'm just trying to be honest and not too fanboyish, because you never, ever, ever see Daemonettes in tournament netlists. To me, that suggests that ultimately Bloodletters are the better choice in a TAC list.

I will say though that other units aligned to Khorne are inferior to their Slaaneshi counterparts. A KoS is a better choice than a BT, though neither are really 'good'. A Slaanesh DP is better than a Khorne DP. Fiends are better than Bloodcrushers. Seekers are better than Flesh Hounds.

Of course, there's not really anything to stop you mixing and matching if you have the points. Two Khorne Heralds and 90 Bloodletters will run you ca. 750pts and get you 5CP, leaving you half, or more than half your points, available for other things.

I mean, I think it's a style choice to some degree. Daemonettes don't hit as hard as bloodletters, and aren't as nearly as tough as plaguebearers and they don't have solid shooting like pink horrors.

But, they are cheaper and faster than any of the above. They will bully non-melee units quite well, and have an easier time getting into melee than blood letters. Plaguebearers are probably the best troop choice, and you see that in their appearance on other lists, but daemonettes require the least set up and support, fill cheap troop choices and well...look pretty darn cool, if you value that. I do, personally.

10 vs 30 I think is debatable. I kind of dig a minimum battalion with a 3 groups of 10 a herald and an enrapturess. 300 points for psychic disruption, quick placement and smite+psuedo lascannon isn't the worst way to earn 5 command points for chaos something-or-other. Make it 680 and it's a decent army core (though I'd probably give the herald a chariot at that point); 90 is no small number of bodies, even at t3.

Plague bearers will hit harder and last longer, but won't be as good against psychic, slower and will be considerably more expensive. Bloodletter bombs are sweet, but don't serve for board control at all. Different niche.

I would say that Daemonettes require more support than Bloodletters do, which ups the cost of a Slaanesh Detachment considerably and makes them less attractive to an optimized list.

Bloodletters can basically do their thing on their own, while Daemonettes need support from Seekers and Fiends, at a minimum.

 Excommunicatus wrote:
I would say that Daemonettes require more support than Bloodletters do, which ups the cost of a Slaanesh Detachment considerably and makes them less attractive to an optimized list.

Bloodletters can basically do their thing on their own, while Daemonettes need support from Seekers and Fiends, at a minimum.

Bingo. Bloodletters are self-sufficient to a large degree; they don't need support to wreck house. As well, a bunch of Str 6 attacks at AP-3 and up to 2 damage each is pretty scary hitting on 2's - in a good round they can topple almost anything in the game.

Daemonettes suffer the same durability issues, but are quicker, and need support to do good damage. Bloodletters can be plugged into any list and work, Demonettes cannot.

Demonettes would be a great chaff clearing unit, however, Horrors outshine them in that regard... its just hard to argue a case for Demonettes unless your a Slaneesh player.

Also, while I agree with the earlier post about Daemonette minis being aesthetically pleasing, the poster who asked for thoughts has already said they won't be using GW minis to represent them.

I will take all the Khorne I can get in this edition. Even if it's just bloodletters and Skullreaver, then so be it!

 Excommunicatus wrote:
Also, while I agree with the earlier post about Daemonette minis being aesthetically pleasing, the poster who asked for thoughts has already said they won't be using GW minis to represent them.

Yeah, or rather I will be using GW minis from their other game system to represent them.

I've not seen too much talk about it; how do people feel about the various chariot variations for slaanesh post CA?

They're very much like Daemonettes, if you're building a Slaanesh army then go wild.

They're not bad. They're not great. It's irritating that they aren't as fast as Seekers or Fiends, but I get why.

Some here seem to really like the Exalted Chariot; I don't personally. You can't hide it and it suffers degrading stats as it takes damage.

Quick question: is the Juggernaut used for the second version of the Herald of Khorne the same size or larger than those for the Bloodcrushers? I'm asking this because I'm thinking of combining the Herald in a Bloodthrone kit with a Bloodcrusher Juggernaut to create a cavalry Herald.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
Quick question: is the Juggernaut used for the second version of the Herald of Khorne the same size or larger than those for the Bloodcrushers? I'm asking this because I'm thinking of combining the Herald in a Bloodthrone kit with a Bloodcrusher Juggernaut to create a cavalry Herald.

Pretty sure that there's the option to make a herald in the bloodcrusher kit. It's been a while since I made them but there was some larger horns and sword.

AFAIK, a Juggernaut is a Juggernaut is a Juggernaut.

The Herald on a Juggernaut kit is the same size as the ones in the Bloodcrusher box. The Throne’s Herald is considerably bigger. The Juggernaut for the Herald is the same size as the Juggernauts in the Bloodcrusher box.

Thanks for the answers. I was wondering since Skullcrusher and Skullmaster Juggernauts have different size bases.

So generally if playing with Daemons of Tzeentch, which spells do people prefer to use?

Gaze of fate is a must. Otherwise it depends on what is taking the spells and what else your bringing. Flickering flames on a large squad of pink horrors can do work.

Had an excellent psyker round which surprised me, I mostly play AoS so I've discarded a lot of Tzeentch's spells for looking lackluster in comparison to their AoS counterparts!

Boon of change for that 8 toughness on my LoC
Delicious Gaze of Fate re-roll every turn
And managed to get off d6 mortal wound Infernal Gateway on a crowd of 3 units.

Was surprised at how tanky the LoC got with the impossible robe and that added toughness, well worth his points because my opponent kept trying to shoot him down with his heavy weapons.

only 1/3 chance you get +1 T not a very reliable power, gaze of fate is a good power, infernal gateway is situational , if opponent know how it works, he plays to minimize casualties, you must target the model closer then the units within 3" of it, if you move/place units properly ,hard you can catch 3 units with it, sometimes can happen most time not.

Best thing about Gaze of Fate is that it bypasses Vect.

 knas wrote:
So generally if playing with Daemons of Tzeentch, which spells do people prefer to use?

If you have blue scribes they can automatically manifest an already manifested psychic power, like flickering flames, which means +2 to wound for your pink horror unit. Or a second boon of change. T9 on your LoC ? S5/T5 on your pink horrors ? Second gaze of fate ? All possible. And you can re-roll that auto manifest roll with gaze of fate. Whatever power they manifest cant be banned.

 knas wrote:
managed to get off d6 mortal wound Infernal Gateway on a crowd of 3 units

Nice, you went full Megatron on them

 p5freak wrote:

 knas wrote:
So generally if playing with Daemons of Tzeentch, which spells do people prefer to use?

If you have blue scribes they can automatically manifest an already manifested psychic power, like flickering flames, which means +2 to wound for your pink horror unit. Or a second boon of change. T9 on your LoC ? S5/T5 on your pink horrors ? Second gaze of fate ? All possible. And you can re-roll that auto manifest roll with gaze of fate. Whatever power they manifest cant be banned.

I feel like this is something that I’d expect to be disallowed, however casting the same spell multiple times is totally allowed in open and narrative and stacking has not been ruled out... hmm, maybe if a load of Heralds power Magnus up to Godzilla tier in a significant, recorded public game

Hmm. Back in the realm of reliable matched play, you can stack it with VotLW on Obliterators. That’s interesting. I would like to have four of each Daemon marine unit in my Word Bearers... Crimson Crown the Khorne ones, Slaaneshis bring a top tier CSM Stratagem, Nurgle ones can charge up Epidemius... think I just figured out how to complete my tetrad.

Four of each, or one of each of the four?

Four units of each unit type, one for each god

Mostly minimum ones for display, but I’m going to try a horde of Slaanesh Possessed. Warptime them, have a Herald nearby, get some Fiends to join the T1 charge, get Fabius Bile to enhance them (with Delightful Agonies, 67% lower casualty rate than unbuffed 1W models)... pull it off, it’ll be like the enemy deployment zone is a tarpit set on fire

 blackmage wrote:
only 1/3 chance you get +1 T not a very reliable power, gaze of fate is a good power, infernal gateway is situational , if opponent know how it works, he plays to minimize casualties, you must target the model closer then the units within 3" of it, if you move/place units properly ,hard you can catch 3 units with it, sometimes can happen most time not.

The match featured a single objective to hold, which is why I gambled on gate . For the LoC with Sword the +1 S or +1A is decent as well I guess, but I lucked out with the +1 T I agree.

Overall I was just happily surprised, a lot of our local meta features eldars and their farseers and warlocks always seem to outshine my Tzeentch daemons in their spellcasting.

 p5freak wrote:

 knas wrote:
So generally if playing with Daemons of Tzeentch, which spells do people prefer to use?

If you have blue scribes they can automatically manifest an already manifested psychic power, like flickering flames, which means +2 to wound for your pink horror unit. Or a second boon of change. T9 on your LoC ? S5/T5 on your pink horrors ? Second gaze of fate ? All possible. And you can re-roll that auto manifest roll with gaze of fate. Whatever power they manifest cant be banned.

Is this true? It sounds too good to be.

 knas wrote:

Is this true? It sounds too good to be.

Of course its true. Check the daemon FAQ.

Q: Does the Blue Scribes’ Xirat’p’s Sorcerous Barrage ability
allow them to manifest a psychic power that has already
been manifested?
A: Yes.

But you can't benefit twice from the same ability either way right?


On a sidenote: How are daemon players dealing with Castellans?