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I've heard varying answers on whether or not the excess wounds from a challenge spill over into the rest of a unit after the character dies. Any insight on this one?

If you dare, read:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/459779.page

But the short version is: likely not, but ambigiously worded

3 of 3 GTs say no overflow. I too think that, but there certainly is room to read RAW the other way. If GT rulings don't mean anything to you, you'll have to wait for INAT or GW.

EDIT: 3 of 4 say no overflow, but the 4th has not happened yet and has not yet released an FAQ.

EDIT2: Please, whomever you are reading this, do not necro post in the old thread... it was a nurgle zombie monster that finally was put down.

No its a 1v1 contest separate from the other melee, as such you can only inflict as many wounds as the other character has.

Which is why having your SM sergeant challenge a IC can save your squad, he might have 5 attacks with a power weapon but he can only cause 1 wound that counts toward resolution, and if that IC led a squad and it loses you can run em down.

Thanks for the insight. Did a search and didn't find that thread.
Wow, what a mess.

Not that it matters much, and I dont want to start an argument, but we play it with no overflow, but the excesss wounds do count to combat rez like in WHFB. Just a suggestion to make things slightly fairer.

If not "no over flow", what would be the point of challenges in the first place? Challenges can be defensive just as much as offensive.

No. I didn't read the other thread an don't plan to. So I don't know what the mess was about, nor do I care.

I would say no but I have also been having all of thee extra count towards combat resolution. It may not be official but watching the sarge get chopped into tiny bits cant be good for moral.

Yes. It makes the most sense to play it that way and even if its not RAW it is a bit more fair. Makes it harder for IG sergeants to bog down MC's by chees-ing out the challenge rule.

NO! NO THIS AGAIN!!!
Btw I play with no overflow, even if in my group we considered the idea of White Ninja....

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:
...even if its not RAW...

Don't even bring up RaW on this one. The RaW is... Incomplete at best. I think these rules essentially require a certain amount of interpretation, but the appropriate interpretation is not entirely obvious, so this is a big FAQ issue, IMO.

Yeah. I just think there is no reason we cant fall back on WHFB for the inconsistancies since thats that most of the recent changes were based off of.

I think the fact that WHFB is a different game entirely would be a reason not to fall back on it.
The issue of excess wounds inflicted counting towards the combat resolutions while nice but is it not the same as 5th ed where excess wounds don't matter it's the number of wounds actually taken off of models?

Yes Liturgies, the Challenge rules specify that only actual wounds caused in the challenge count towards combat resolution. And only actual wounds caused in the general combat count towards resolution as well. Which means a 6 wound Tervigon goes down to ID its 1 wound for resolution. Tyrant inflicts 4 wounds on Sergeant, that's only 1 wound for resolution. You want to HR it otherwise that's your choice.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
The issue of excess wounds inflicted counting towards the combat resolutions while nice but is it not the same as 5th ed where excess wounds don't matter it's the number of wounds actually taken off of models?

That's true, but if you go by RaW, what happens to the excess wounds is that they're applied to the unit as normal. Nothing in the 6th edition 40K challenge rules prevents wounds from spilling out of the challenge. (Indeed, if you look at it too closely, in many cases there's little reason why the wounds would necessarily be applied within the challenge at all.) If you're going to insert RaI that such wounds don't spill out, it's reasonable to also insert RaI that they don't magically disappear altogether, either.

At the end of the day, we're all shooting in the dark on this.

 punkow wrote:
NO! NO THIS AGAIN!!!

OMG this was exactly my reaction.

Please god no. Not another 30 pages and 5000 posts.

Pyrian wrote:
if you go by RaW, what happens to the excess wounds is that they're applied to the unit as normal.

That is not true, but there really is no need to get into it again.

OMG this was exactly my reaction.

Please god no. Not another 30 pages and 5000 posts.

Not a joke. We do NOT need this again.

Page 64

In bold Text. Only the challenger and chalengee can strike blows againts one another.also read combatant slain.

Its pretty clear to me they fight eaach other wound each other only till the challenge is resolved.

Lungpickle wrote:
Page 64

In bold Text. Only the challenger and chalengee can strike blows againts one another.also read combatant slain.

Its pretty clear to me they fight eaach other wound each other only till the challenge is resolved.

That just means that they can't split attacks and that their accompanying squads can't attack them, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 Kevin949 wrote:

Lungpickle wrote:
Page 64

In bold Text. Only the challenger and chalengee can strike blows againts one another.also read combatant slain.

Its pretty clear to me they fight eaach other wound each other only till the challenge is resolved.

That just means that they can't split attacks and that their accompanying squads can't attack them, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Well, actualluy it does since wound allocation from challenges is the topic, but whatever.

No, wounds do not carry over. The challenge is a separate combat. Really, come on people.

 Captain Antivas wrote:
Yes Liturgies, the Challenge rules specify that only actual wounds caused in the challenge count towards combat resolution. And only actual wounds caused in the general combat count towards resolution as well. Which means a 6 wound Tervigon goes down to ID its 1 wound for resolution. Tyrant inflicts 4 wounds on Sergeant, that's only 1 wound for resolution. You want to HR it otherwise that's your choice.

The underlined is incorrect. See page 26, second column, third paragraph, last sentence.

There's no need for another thread on this. I am of the opinion that excess challenge wounds overflow, but the real answer is that the RAW (and RAI) is not clear and needs to be FAQ'd. You will have to discuss this with your opponent or TO beforehand. If you and your opponent disagree, roll off to decide.

 don_mondo wrote:

 Kevin949 wrote:

Lungpickle wrote:
Page 64

In bold Text. Only the challenger and chalengee can strike blows againts one another.also read combatant slain.

Its pretty clear to me they fight eaach other wound each other only till the challenge is resolved.

That just means that they can't split attacks and that their accompanying squads can't attack them, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Well, actualluy it does since wound allocation from challenges is the topic, but whatever.

No, wounds do not carry over. The challenge is a separate combat. Really, come on people.

Maybe, but striking blows isn't wounding. *Shrug*

I agree with you though, wounds don't overflow.

Just stop it, people. There is a 25 pages thread on this. No need to rehash the subject.

Read the thread, make a choice on how you will play it, and wait for a FAQ.

Just to udate with the new FAQ:

Q: Can Wounds caused by a character in a challenge only be
allocated to the opposing character in the challenge? (p64)
A: Yes.

Q: If you slay an opponent in a challenge, can any excess Wounds
be allocated to other models in the same unit? (p64)
A: No.

I MOUNT MY PLATYPUS!!!

'No. they cannot'. It's nice how many of these the new FAQ updates have put to rest.

Also this from the FAQ :

Q: If a character is removed from play as a casualty after fighting a challenge, are any excess unsaved Wounds counted when determining assault results? (p65)
A: No – only the Wounds actually suffered in the challenge
count.