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From Stelek's blog Yes The Truth Hurts:

"Q: Can a Wolf Guard Pack Leader or Independent Character join a
squad of Wolf Scouts and benefit from the Outflank special rule
because at least one model has the ability? (p27)
A: Yes.

....

Q: Does a character with Saga of the Hunter pass on his Outflank and
Stealth special rules to a unit he joins before deployment? (p64)
A: Yes."

Now my normal, 2000 point, take-all-comers SW list includes a "Logan Bomb" which entails Logan, Arjac, and a 5 man unit of MM Long Fangs.

Do the rules permit me outflank that same complex unit by adding a Saga of the Hunter IC to it?

Can do you, yes. One trick pony it is.

Yoda?

I suppose the drop pod is better for strategy. My list has too many easy kill points so trying to find a way to shave them down.

Since you cannot assault from outflank anymore, even if you get the side you want, your MM will still be outside of the 12" range-of-awesomeness. That means you won't kill Land Raiders. You can't even reliably glance Necron skimmer.

Then you will be stranded and have nothing to do, for the rest of the game. If you really want a Logan Bomb (which I definitely recommend not to), I suggest 4 Drop Pods full of GH and 1 Drop Pod with Logan Bomb. Drop everything on a set of objectives and take it.

I've been running the Logan bomb pretty successfully for about a year now. I run two pods, one of which is empty. This allows me to delay the bomb if need be.

Deep strike, plus 6 inch deploy and 12 in melta rule/24 inch MM range is pretty handy.

My biggest issue is arjac is amazing but getting within 6 inches for his foe hammer attack is difficult at times.

I thought outflanking might be better but I may just stick him with a wolf scout unit instead.

there are so many options... many things to ponder

Outflank only gets you 6" into the table. Unlike Drop Pod which gets you within 6" of your enemy :-). Logan Bomb delivered by Wolf Scout would be rather funny actually.

I think the idea is to take a unit of 6 long fangs with multi-meltas, attach Logan and a wolf priest with saga of the hunter. You may now outflank with this unit (since the wolf priest confers outflank to the unit). Since you have acute senses, you can re-roll the die if you didn't get the side of the board you wanted. When you come in, you move 6" onto the board and shoot the multi-meltas using Logan's relentless. I suppose you could also make your wolf priest provide "preferred enemy" against vehicles and get to re-roll 1's to Hit, but I wouldn't recommend that.

So the way I see it, your "12 inch range of awesomeness" is actually 18" from the side of the board you come in on. If you happen to be playing hammer and anvil deployment, that's pretty good.

 Grugknuckle wrote:
I suppose you could also make your wolf priest provide "preferred enemy" against vehicles and get to re-roll 1's to Hit, but I wouldn't recommend that.

I do not understand this part. I have never run a Priest before. What do they do exactly? I thought they were essentially just chaplains.


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And why wouldn't you recommend buffing the unit?

They are better than chaplain, you choose before the start of the game which Unit Type you will get Preferred Enemy against. So a squad of 10GH with 2x plasma guns, 1x plasma pistol, Arjac, Wolf Priest with Saga of the Hunter can outflank.

When they come in, they shoot all their guns, re-roll 1s to hit (get hot is no longer a problem), re-roll 1s to wound. Good for Hold The Line second objective.

The thing is Preferred Enemy only give re-roll to Hit and Wounds on 1. Not to Penenetrate.

I think I will start mass emailing GW FAQ to fix this crap.

Fix what crap? You have to pay for the ability, you have to put them in reserves and when they move on you only get to snap shot with heavy weapons.

The wolf priest and plasma spam is something I am playing with atm.

Guys, the 'Logan Bomb' doesn't work.

Logan must use High King at the beginning of the turn. By the time you DS or Outflank, it is too late. They can still Snap Fire, but.....

coredump wrote:
Guys, the 'Logan Bomb' doesn't work.

Logan must use High King at the beginning of the turn. By the time you DS or Outflank, it is too late. They can still Snap Fire, but.....

The spacewolf FAQ differs from your logic.

Page 5, second question to the bottom on the right hand side.

You also can't deploy 6 inches from the Drop Pod.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

coredump wrote:
Guys, the 'Logan Bomb' doesn't work.

Logan must use High King at the beginning of the turn. By the time you DS or Outflank, it is too late. They can still Snap Fire, but.....

The spacewolf FAQ differs from your logic.

Page 5, second question to the bottom on the right hand side.

Aw.... Schtupid FAQ.... changin' da rules and makin' my life hard....

My bad.. carry on.

 KGatch113 wrote:


You also can't deploy 6 inches from the Drop Pod.

Why not ?

Fragile wrote:

 KGatch113 wrote:


You also can't deploy 6 inches from the Drop Pod.

Why not ?

Oh 6th Edition... how you have confused even the simplest game mechanics...

It is my understanding that you disembark a drop pod the same way you disembark any other transport, anywhere within 6 inches of an access point, which happens to be the entire pod minus the doors/pedals/leafs.

Yes high king works out of a pod on the turn it arrives.

I really want to try this tactic in my next game. For now I am going to use the LFs because those are the models I have. However the PE plasma gunners sound really fun.

coredump wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:

coredump wrote:
Guys, the 'Logan Bomb' doesn't work.

Logan must use High King at the beginning of the turn. By the time you DS or Outflank, it is too late. They can still Snap Fire, but.....

The spacewolf FAQ differs from your logic.

Page 5, second question to the bottom on the right hand side.

Aw.... Schtupid FAQ.... changin' da rules and makin' my life hard....

My bad.. carry on.

Just sayin the FAQ to HIGH KING is over a year old though ^^

 Deuce11 wrote:
However the PE plasma gunners sound really fun.

You can do this with a wolf priest though. You don't need Logan. And yes, I've played this and you're right - PE plasma guns wreck face.

PE Plasma is definitely way better than even Dark Angel's rumour on re-rollable armour saves against Get Hot!.

From the current rumours, Dark Angel chapter whose legendary knowledge of plasma is still puny comparing to Space Wolves Preferred Enemy Plasma Spam.

Btw, if you are into Logan Bomb, consider Wolf Guard Plasma Bomb. 9 Wolf Guard with combi-plasma + Wolf Priest with plasma pistol in 1 drop pod. It's cheap too comparing to Sternguard.

Drop down, whatever you want dead is dead. If you can drop down your MM Logan Bomb next to this and blow up that Land Raider, you are golden.

Haha that is nasty. I put this list together as a primer to test some of this stuff out. I would appreciate some comments:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/476969.page

And that right there, this thread, is why I hang back with some HB and AC when I play you Wolves guys. Im not leaving my arse exposed. Great against IG, and weaker units, or MEQs that expose a flank or rear, just eyeball your enemy well man.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Fix what crap? You have to pay for the ability, you have to put them in reserves and when they move on you only get to snap shot with heavy weapons.

The wolf priest and plasma spam is something I am playing with atm.

I think Tyr is referencing the fact that you cannot join WG with TDA to a pack of Wolf Scouts and thus the intent is to not allow TDA armored models the ability to Outflank or in the case of Wolf Scouts, OBEL when Outflanking. Going the route of Saga of the Hunter on a PA model and then joining him to models in TDA would be using a backdoor loophole to break the above possible intent.

I agree with him as far as intent, but as it stands, there is nothing in the RAW from preventing it. Good luck with the email campaign.

Well the thing is that scouts have a much more accurate outflank, so it could be far more devastating.

Email campaigns are the way to go, each response will contain a brush off about waiting for the next faq.

 Brother Ramses wrote:

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Fix what crap? You have to pay for the ability, you have to put them in reserves and when they move on you only get to snap shot with heavy weapons.

The wolf priest and plasma spam is something I am playing with atm.

I think Tyr is referencing the fact that you cannot join WG with TDA to a pack of Wolf Scouts and thus the intent is to not allow TDA armored models the ability to Outflank or in the case of Wolf Scouts, OBEL when Outflanking. Going the route of Saga of the Hunter on a PA model and then joining him to models in TDA would be using a backdoor loophole to break the above possible intent.

I agree with him as far as intent, but as it stands, there is nothing in the RAW from preventing it. Good luck with the email campaign.

So wait, by RAW, can Arjac attach to scouts or not?

Have you read the codex? Read the entry on wolf guard, it is fairly clear. Pg 86.
In fact that rule has been there for 3 years. I don't know why it needs to be asked.

 liturgies of blood wrote:
Have you read the codex? Read the entry on wolf guard, it is fairly clear. Pg 86.
In fact that rule has been there for 3 years. I don't know why it needs to be asked.

Yup, read it. Never ran this combo though and do not get to play nearly as much as I would like so excuse me. Besides, there is contrary discussion going on so yeah, I guess it needs to be asked.

Read the Wolf Guard entry in the army list page. It gives you the specific list of units that Wolf Guard can join.

 Tyr Grimtooth wrote:
Read the Wolf Guard entry in the army list page. It gives you the specific list of units that Wolf Guard can't join.

Fixed it for you.

You can attach wolf gaurd to almost all the units in the SW codex, the only ones that aren't allowed are whelp units and scouts (I am being vague in order to not disclose the rules and thus brake any rules). This is generally for fluff reasons but also for balance.

A model that isn't in power armour or on a bike or jet pack equiped cannot take saga of the hunter. TW and rune armour are still allowed however.

Although this is a major loop hole right now... or is it? Perhaps that was the expressed reason of pulling a CRRRRRREEEEEEEDDD! on someone by outflanking 10 wolf guard termies and a wolf priest.

Who knows... for now though, trolling to be ensuded

Actually, in my codex which I have right in front of me right now, the Pack Leaders rule list the specific unit that the Wolf Guard can join. So, Tyr Grimtooth is correct.

By TW, are you referring to Thunderwolf? They cannot join other non-TW units.

Runic Armour is not Power Armour. The Armour section under Wargear has to spell out such if that is the case. None of the FAQ mentions this matter. If it was indeed meant to be used with Runic Armour, the Wolf Priest entry would have been: "May not be taken by a model in Terminator Armour or in Jump Pack or on Space Marine bike".