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Had a great time--I want to appreciate the NOVA staff for all their hard work.

I was especially blown away by all the terrain, particularly the various Infinity tables.

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Great to hear it went well!

A few things as someone who couldn't make it this year :-/

1. What the heck IS "torrent of fire", people keep saying it like it's a household name and I really have no idea what it is other than that I can see some Nova results on it! Apparently they are a "they"... I just don't know what's going on here!

2. Vendors and the like. Nova definitely should be thought of, in it's current state, as an amaaaaaazing 40k tournament with some other great events (notably warmachine), but not really a traditional convention. It sounds like this got a bit better this year and will continue to improve, but if you're wanting to enjoy your time at this, you need to register for one of the main events... there just won't be much to do / see otherwise.

I am totally going to play in the main event next year . I seem to say that every year, but I really cannot justify missing it again with this in my very backyard! Looking forward to hearing more thoughts on the GT and Invitational when folks arrive home who would normally be sharing their thoughts here
   
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Does anyone have the list of the top tables?
   
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 CKO wrote:
Does anyone have the list of the top tables?


That would be 1 through 8 "wink"

RiTides
Torrent of fire is a new Tournament Management system that NOVA used this year to track players in the Invitational and GT tournaments. Right now its still in the testing stages having the NOVA 2013 being its first big GT to be run in asside from some small local RTT's. Having seen it in use i find it to be a pretty useful tool to help TOs run there tournaments more efficiently and allows gamers to track in "real time" how players are progressing in a Tournament. I found the scheduling and table assignment functions to be awsome. Waking up on saturday morning to have my table assignment already on my phone was really cool. I plan on using it at this years Battle for Salvation Tournament in October.


Once again Mike and all of the NOVA staff were amazing. An impeccibly run event that from the outside seem to run with barely a hiccup. This event just gets better every year i attend. Plus the competition...wow ! the invite was basically a whos-who in 40k competition gaming. Every game i played in the GT was a pleasure and the armies were just amazing.

This year i was able to spend a few days prior to the event touring around the DC area and had a great time with the wife and son. DC is a wonderfull city and i highly recommend anyone who hasnt seen it to try to get some extra time next year before the tournament and check it out. The hotel rate was great for that area and having stayed there for 7 days it cost less then $700 for the room for a full week... thats just great. And within a 5 min walk there is a ton of places to eat.

Next year i hope to spend my 50th birthday at my 5th NOVA OPEN

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Since my local group asked about it, I plugged the numbers from the army results to figure out %played and %won. This is just based on # of games, so the %played is probably off, and it doesn't account for the allies, but it should give at least a vague picture that others can work from:

army / %played / win%
(Army / % of armies / Win%)
Tau: 16%/66%
Eldar: 15%/65%
Daemons: 16%/58%
Necrons: 10%/49%
Chaos Marines: 7%/40%
GK: 5%/48%
IG: 5%/45%
DA: 6%/34%
SW: 3%/46%
BA: 3%/43%
Nids: 2%/48%
Dark Eldar: 2%/36%
SM: 2%/50%
Orks: 2%/38%
Sisters: 1%/54%

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Indiana

They have a function for that in torrent of fire!

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furbyballer wrote:
Anyone know where I can find the fantasy NOVA results?


I would like to see this too. Quick search produced nothing but previous years results.

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One thing that I heard quite a bit of grumbling over was the final rounds of the invitational were after the GT. The invitational only concerns 16 people(and at that point maybe like 4) but all 200+ GT attendees have to wait around for it to finish up before the award ceremony. It might be beneficial to switch those time slots and let the majority of people sleep in for the GT on Sunday and have a smoother transition to the awards.


On another note- Thanks to Games & Stuff for having a 50% off Warmachine/Hordes sale. I finally picked up the big beastie I've been eyeing for a year

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From MVB on his site:

I'm exhausted still! This was by FAR the best NOVA yet. I have to collect a bunch of photos, do a bunch of data mining, and a whole lot of other things to write a proper post-event, but I wanted to get ahead of a couple quick things.

1) NOVA intentionally designed a drop round after 6 if people felt like relaxing on the third day. 36 people chose to. Their opponents for the next day all received games as desired. Nobody got jipped out of games 7/8. So EVERYBODY, it's COOL! There was some initial chatter about mad drops/quits, and it's not true. Even given the option, only 36/227 chose to willingly drop. The subsequent round LOOKED like a lot of drops, but was simply reflective of players watching final games, hitting seminars, playing people they've wanted to once all were out of competition, etc. Rounds 7/8 results from said drops had no impact on final standings.

2) Torrent of Fire does not accurately display NOVA Open standings. I've seen some people starting to say things like "CSM didn't finish higher than 54th" or "The guy who finished 2nd got a bye," and there's no actual final standings published yet. You're just sorting by various metrics in torrent.

3) I've never experienced the enormous level of excitement that I experienced from attendees this year. I was absolutely touched and blown away by h ow much fun people seemed to have, and how appreciative many people were in finding me and thanking me. I hope they thanked ALL the staff just as whole heartedly. If you had a great time, also, share about it! We dig around for all the kudos, and put them together for the staff Thank You party on September 21.

4) Look for the survey, and fill it out even if you didn't have a great time! It's the way by which we best improve the event year to year.

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 Magc8Ball wrote:
Since my local group asked about it, I plugged the numbers from the army results to figure out %played and %won. This is just based on # of games, so the %played is probably off, and it doesn't account for the allies, but it should give at least a vague picture that others can work from:

army / %played / win%
(Army / % of armies / Win%)
Tau: 16%/66%
Eldar: 15%/65%
Daemons: 16%/58%
Necrons: 10%/49%
Chaos Marines: 7%/40%
GK: 5%/48%
IG: 5%/45%
DA: 6%/34%
SW: 3%/46%
BA: 3%/43%
Nids: 2%/48%
Dark Eldar: 2%/36%
SM: 2%/50%
Orks: 2%/38%
Sisters: 1%/54%


I'd be interested if we could figure out the Tau and Eldar win percentage if we could factor out mirror matches.

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You can.

http://app.torrentoffire.com/#/stats/armies

You'll have to register w/ torrent to view stats.

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Maryland

GT & Invitational were both a blast again this year.

Props to the guys from Stomping Grounds for really making a heck of a showing.

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Kitchener

Hi

From way off in the frozen North, it looks like you had an excellent event (again).

Random thoughts:
I want to echo Spag - nice call by the head ref in the final round of the invitational to call for turn 5 with nearly 30 minutes left in the round.

Torrent of Fire - this is delightfully (perversely?) fun both to see match-ups on the fly and to mine through post-event. I love it.

11th company video - thanks guys! I liked the effort to ensure that it wasn't all Eldar-Tau all weekend.

Hopefully, I will be able to make the trip down again in 2014. 2012 was a blast, but it just wasn't going to work out financially this year (hooray for bad tenants and a wife going back to school!)... anyway, watching the matches while painting got the 40K itch going...

Cheers,
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Getting my broom incase there is shenanigans.

Great tournament and I had a lot of fun last weekend.

One quick question though, what was the % of games that ended on a dice roll. and those that didn't?


 
   
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We did an initial run through and it looked like 85-90% finished due to random game length. That said, I'm not sure how valid that is ... many people looked to write random game length if their game finished on 5 or higher, even if that also coincided with time being called. I thought "random game length" was a sufficient response (as opposed to "completed naturally," which isn't necessarily the same), but I'm not so sure.
   
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I had one game that ended due to time but we rolled and it wouldn't have gone on. All other games were called due to time (so 10/11). This was consistent with many of the people I talked to. I'd say over the weekend time was my biggest issue (and bear in mind I'd only not finished 3 games out of 6 GT's this year using this army before Nova).

And god help me, Tau, Eldar, and Daemons (or some combination) were everywhere.

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We did an initial run through and it looked like 85-90% finished due to random game length. That said, I'm not sure how valid that is ... many people looked to write random game length if their game finished on 5 or higher, even if that also coincided with time being called. I thought "random game length" was a sufficient response (as opposed to "completed naturally," which isn't necessarily the same), but I'm not so sure.


The choices were a bit too binary to account for the possibilities. I suppose "random turn length", "made it through 5 turns", "didn't end on time" may be more appropriate.That being said, I was lucky enough to have 7/8 games finish comfortably before the time limit (one went through turn 4, which isn't terrible).

I'll also echo the positive comments on here. This is my third NOVA, and I've had a great time in every one. I can't recommend it enough to people--even newer players. One of the best parts of the weekend is that no matter what the skill level of the player is, there are ways to have fun. Torrent of Fire is awesome, and the event ran smoother than ever.

A big thanks to Mike and everyone else involved for all their hard work. There is definitely good reason why NOVA has become one of the 40k heavyweights so quickly.

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Shadeglass Maze

 Hulksmash wrote:
I had one game that ended due to time but we rolled and it wouldn't have gone on. All other games were called due to time (so 10/11). This was consistent with many of the people I talked to. I'd say over the weekend time was my biggest issue (and bear in mind I'd only not finished 3 games out of 6 GT's this year using this army before Nova).

And god help me, Tau, Eldar, and Daemons (or some combination) were everywhere.

Were rounds significantly shorter for this tourney than other GTs you played this year, Hulk?
   
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I wonder how many GT type events vanilla space marines, orks, sisters of battle and imperial guard have won over the last year or two. I would imagine at least one each.

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Orock wrote:
I wonder how many GT type events vanilla space marines, orks, sisters of battle and imperial guard have won over the last year or two. I would imagine at least one each.

According to Torrent, SOB were 4th best army by win rating (54%).
Orks were 3rd from the bottom (38%), SM were 5th (50%). IG were middle of the road (45%)

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 pretre wrote:
Orock wrote:
I wonder how many GT type events vanilla space marines, orks, sisters of battle and imperial guard have won over the last year or two. I would imagine at least one each.

According to Torrent, SOB were 4th best army by win rating (54%).
Orks were 3rd from the bottom (38%), SM were 5th (50%). IG were middle of the road (45%)


It's important to recognize the huge influence that army selection has on these stats. Many top players recognized that Tau and Eldar are the new top tier and switched to these armies accordingly, so there's likely to be abnormally large concentration of skilled players using lists from these codices. Win percentages alone don't tell the whole story.
   
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 RiTides wrote:
 Hulksmash wrote:
I had one game that ended due to time but we rolled and it wouldn't have gone on. All other games were called due to time (so 10/11). This was consistent with many of the people I talked to. I'd say over the weekend time was my biggest issue (and bear in mind I'd only not finished 3 games out of 6 GT's this year using this army before Nova).

And god help me, Tau, Eldar, and Daemons (or some combination) were everywhere.

Were rounds significantly shorter for this tourney than other GTs you played this year, Hulk?


No, they were also 2.5 hours. That's why it was so strange. Outside of the time issue on games it was an excellent event. Though some restructuring of the schedule might be in order.

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 Torrent of Ire wrote:
It's important to recognize the huge influence that army selection has on these stats. Many top players recognized that Tau and Eldar are the new top tier and switched to these armies accordingly, so there's likely to be abnormally large concentration of skilled players using lists from these codices. Win percentages alone don't tell the whole story.

Absolutely. I think we saw similar things happen with GK and Necrons for previous Novas. We just didn't have Torrent to instantly sort it.

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The other thing to remember when looking at the torrent of fire stuff. Sisters appear as the 4 highest finishing army as far as win percentage, however you are only talking about 3 sisters players...not really the same as other armies with more players.

IF you consider the winning percentage of the top 3 players with each book it will paint quite a different picture. Say you take Tau over 3 players I think you look at something like 22-2. Eldar is probably similar.

Sisters going 12-10 over 3 players is far different from say Tau going 163-76 or Eldar going 121-66.

One player being successful out of 3 (say they went 6-2, that means the remaining players averaged out at 3-4) or one person doing poorly would have the opposite effect.

For armies with more players it is probably better to look at the average finish among all players as a metric, rather than the win loss for the whole army.

Also saying that top players chose to play those armies, while it enhances the win percentage, it also means there is a good likely hood that those armies are very powerful.

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This is actually a really big turn off. Everyone was holding out hope that the balance in 6th would remain on par.

In order to have a shot at winning, you have to play 1 (or both) of the 2 latest codexes.

Pretty lame honestly. It is also surprising that so many players are willing to play into this game. You can't tell me the
majority of them were Tau and\or Eldar veterans.

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I was second in the Invitational for Renman with DA/IG and third in the Open with the same army. You don't have to be playing newest codexes to compete.

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No. The top 9 tables were all some flavor of Tau\Eldar. http://app.torrentoffire.com/#/tournament/NOVA-Open-2013/leaderboard

You got 12th place. Commendable, but you couldn't have won the whole thing and you know it.

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Ren Man. The big prize is what he was talking about.

MVBrandt wrote:
2) Torrent of Fire does not accurately display NOVA Open standings. I've seen some people starting to say things like "CSM didn't finish higher than 54th" or "The guy who finished 2nd got a bye," and there's no actual final standings published yet. You're just sorting by various metrics in torrent.


Also, read the post from MVB that I quoted above.

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Getting my broom incase there is shenanigans.

I did not have any game go to turn #6. One game we wrote finished on turn even though we rushed through turn #5 and we knew that is was going to end then. At the end of the game we rolled a dice and it would have ended and wrote that it ended normally (which is not the same as rushing through the turn and knowing it will end then).

A common thread talking to the players was that time for the games was a major issue.

I also had one game end on turn #3. He was rolling his saves one dice at a time and slow playing. He only had a couple of models left (and I did not lose a kill point) but the call came out to not start another turn at his bottom of turn #3. I lost because I was only in one table quarter at this point not expecting the game to end on turn 3. My feedback is the same that they gave to Adepticon a few years ago...do not say not more turns! Adepticon now tells players to not start another turn if you can't finish it which is very different. I could have done 2 turns in 5 minutes with the amount of models that he had left, but we had to stop.

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 pretre wrote:
Ren Man. The big prize is what he was talking about.

MVBrandt wrote:
2) Torrent of Fire does not accurately display NOVA Open standings. I've seen some people starting to say things like "CSM didn't finish higher than 54th" or "The guy who finished 2nd got a bye," and there's no actual final standings published yet. You're just sorting by various metrics in torrent.


Also, read the post from MVB that I quoted above.

Okay, that makes sense. With that in mind, does anyone know what the correct top 5 tables were by army breakdown?
   
 
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