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 SickSix wrote:
From B&C because someone asked about the comparison.

LutherMax, on 12 Mar 2017 - 03:58 AM, said:

I've scaled the images so that the Guardsman is the same size in both:



Now if we move the right image down so the marines' feet start at the same position, the top of the current marine's head comes up to the top of the shoulder pad of the "2.0" marine.

tentatively poking my head over the parapit here - wouldn't it make more sense to line up to the bottom of the base to get a height comparison as the models feet are at different points on bases?

I guess when you add up difference in poses, angles of the bases in pics there's not much diference mind

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

Parts of it definitely look like conversions but other parts don't. This and the fact that nobody can definitively show where the bits are supposed to come from are what's stopping me from calling it a conversion. I'm not willing to call it a new sculpt either because of the nature of the photograph, the shoddy image quality, and the deviation from how GW's been teasing their new products. Then there's the dramatic increase in scale to contend with.

I bet the guy who made a model is reading this thread and having one hell of a good laugh, though.

I'm fairly confident that it's not a conversion and I'm skeptical that SM's 2.0 will be any larger than the Deathwatch.

Are thousand sons deathwatch size? It would seem strange to make them any bigger then those two when they were just released not long ago.

I like the idea of bigger sized marines for fluff reasons, but I think that would be a bad move just because of the thousands and thousands of marine models out there that are all the same current size right now. The new models would be cool but I think most players would get pissy that the new models don't match their old ones, and won't be interested in rebuying, rebuilding and repainting whole armies. Die hard fans maybe, but rank & file gamers will probably just play a different army, or a different game.

 Necros wrote:
I like the idea of bigger sized marines for fluff reasons, but I think that would be a bad move just because of the thousands and thousands of marine models out there that are all the same current size right now. The new models would be cool but I think most players would get pissy that the new models don't match their old ones, and won't be interested in rebuying, rebuilding and repainting whole armies. Die hard fans maybe, but rank & file gamers will probably just play a different army, or a different game.

But think of the fun you could have mix'n'matching all the different sized SM!

Put new SM arms on old SM bodies! Old SM heads on new SM bodies! Instantly you have some seriously funny SM

You could make a chapter of SM where Zippy the Pinhead is one of the long lost primarchs!

 Breotan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

Parts of it definitely look like conversions but other parts don't. This and the fact that nobody can definitively show where the bits are supposed to come from are what's stopping me from calling it a conversion. I'm not willing to call it a new sculpt either because of the nature of the photograph, the shoddy image quality, and the deviation from how GW's been teasing their new products. Then there's the dramatic increase in scale to contend with.

I bet the guy who made a model is reading this thread and having one hell of a good laugh, though.

I think even though it's very hard to identify what exactly some of the pieces are from, that isn't enough to say it's real. The whole situation just has two many unexplained things to be properly believable:

What is this "private event" for? Why would someone take these new Marines that no one knows about? Why would others take their unfinished old models to the event? Why would that guardsman, who just happens to be one of the smaller models available, be chosen to be displayed to show the scale? The only photo available just happens to be blurry enough to not be able to properly make out details? Part of it is blacked out for some reason? Then you've got the arms/hands being out of scale with each other, and the similarities to that one Centurion head (there are slight differences but that head just happens to be a head with all the main characteristics of the one on the 'leak', including a jaw covering which are only seen on the Centurion heads, is very suspect). It just doesn't seem to add up to me.

Why would people ragequit and play a different game purely through butthurt over a new model? I mean, that will almost definitely happen in some cases, but it's just something that baffles me. Like, if they wanted to be top-of-the-meta they'd have rage quit over Tau then Eldar already, right?

17 pages of pure speculation over a pic that may or not be a real model?

One post with zero content?

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Why would people ragequit and play a different game purely through butthurt over a new model? I mean, that will almost definitely happen in some cases, but it's just something that baffles me. Like, if they wanted to be top-of-the-meta they'd have rage quit over Tau then Eldar already, right?

I think the person was thinking they'd move all marine models to this purported new model size, which is an non-sensical assumption.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Why would people ragequit and play a different game purely through butthurt over a new model? I mean, that will almost definitely happen in some cases, but it's just something that baffles me. Like, if they wanted to be top-of-the-meta they'd have rage quit over Tau then Eldar already, right?

Next thing you know, people will be burning perfectly functional armies in a fit of pique.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
17 pages of pure speculation over a pic that may or not be a real model?

Nerds will do as nerds do.

Honestly, there has been so much speculation about GW's next move since all the cloak and dagger stuff began, does this really surprise anyone?

We want to know if the company is about to invalidate all our models and existing armies. If this pic is real, it feels like that's about to happen.

The answer is no. No they won't. That was easy.

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Post with actual content please - or just don't post.

 Azreal13 wrote:
One post with zero content?

All of his posts are like that.

I find it funny that people are calling certain details soft on that model. Everything is out of focus lol.

 Kinetochore wrote:


tentatively poking my head over the parapit here - wouldn't it make more sense to line up to the bottom of the base to get a height comparison as the models feet are at different points on bases?

I guess when you add up difference in poses, angles of the bases in pics there's not much diference mind

Not really, because the feet are not on the same spot for each base.


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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
17 pages of pure speculation over a pic that may or not be a real model?

Hah, yea, I saw the page count and I was almost certain that there must have been some follow up leak.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
What is procreate?

It's how we make more people.

Thank you for the much-needed belly laugh. Have an exalt.

I'm still leaning toward this being a conversion, but I can see the argument for both sides. Really hoping GW will mention something about this in this week's announcements.

Imagine ten (10) SM's 2.0 getting out of a Rhino. The Rhino is disproportionately sized as it is. It would be a true clown car with SM's 2.0. Will GW then scale up the Rhino? What about the Drop Pod? Are $250.00 Land Raider's the size of a shoe box on the horizon? I would think that if they change the scale of the infantry they'll have to change the scale of everything else lest it look ridiculous and out of place.

What about parts interchangeability with old SM's? They would end up (possibly) creating a world of mismatch and oddity. Speaking generally, the product is meant to be visually appealing, not have that "something seems a little off" feel to it.

 oni wrote:
Imagine ten (10) SM's 2.0 getting out of a Rhino. The Rhino is disproportionately sized as it is. It would be a true clown car with SM's 2.0. Will GW then scale up the Rhino? What about the Drop Pod? Are $250.00 Land Raider's the size of a shoe box on the horizon? I would think that if they change the scale of the infantry they'll have to change the scale of everything else lest it look ridiculous and out of place.

What about parts interchangeability with old SM's? They would end up (possibly) creating a world of mismatch and oddity. Speaking generally, the product is meant to be visually appealing, not have that "something seems a little off" feel to it.

Right. Fully moving to a new scale would pretty much guarantee that I'd only purchase of ebay for my marine army. I have some trouble imagining they would do that.

I could more realistically think that they'd make some sort of uber-marine that just stands next to the current line, and counts as Bulky in the same way that a Terminator does.

Then again, hell if I know. At the end of the day I already have a pretty complete marine army, and I'll probably leave it be, with minor exceptions. The folks with (or looking for) multiple marine armies leave me flummoxed, to be honest. I'd rather diversify my factions rather than double down on moar marine.

Assuming new baseline Marines are really coming out, there's no way GW stops at one unit when they can produce and sell every single entry in Astarstes armour all over again, to everyone.

For a time, both lines will run parallel and then the legacy variants will be dropped. Again, assuming what we're seeing here is an actual GW product/prototype.

Did we ever figure out what was Cawl tasked with by the Emperor before the Heresy started? Maybe a new, upgraded Astarates gene-seed template is what the old geezer carries around in his stasis box.

 oni wrote:
Imagine ten (10) SM's 2.0 getting out of a Rhino. The Rhino is disproportionately sized as it is. It would be a true clown car with SM's 2.0. Will GW then scale up the Rhino? What about the Drop Pod? Are $250.00 Land Raider's the size of a shoe box on the horizon? I would think that if they change the scale of the infantry they'll have to change the scale of everything else lest it look ridiculous and out of place.

What about parts interchangeability with old SM's? They would end up (possibly) creating a world of mismatch and oddity. Speaking generally, the product is meant to be visually appealing, not have that "something seems a little off" feel to it.

That is the base of peoples concern - if one unit grows, then the range follows to fit. Suddenly, existing purchases look silly next to new ones and have to be replaced.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I still think it's a conversion, but I'm kinda on the fence.

Parts of it definitely look like conversions but other parts don't. This and the fact that nobody can definitively show where the bits are supposed to come from are what's stopping me from calling it a conversion. I'm not willing to call it a new sculpt either because of the nature of the photograph, the shoddy image quality, and the deviation from how GW's been teasing their new products. Then there's the dramatic increase in scale to contend with.

I bet the guy who made a model is reading this thread and having one hell of a good laugh, though.

I think even though it's very hard to identify what exactly some of the pieces are from, that isn't enough to say it's real. The whole situation just has two many unexplained things to be properly believable:

What is this "private event" for? Why would someone take these new Marines that no one knows about? Why would others take their unfinished old models to the event? Why would that guardsman, who just happens to be one of the smaller models available, be chosen to be displayed to show the scale? The only photo available just happens to be blurry enough to not be able to properly make out details? Part of it is blacked out for some reason? Then you've got the arms/hands being out of scale with each other, and the similarities to that one Centurion head (there are slight differences but that head just happens to be a head with all the main characteristics of the one on the 'leak', including a jaw covering which are only seen on the Centurion heads, is very suspect). It just doesn't seem to add up to me.

You know this *private event* may be some dinner or party at someone's house who often paint models for GW (think they used to hire outside painters in the past)

still ammusing thread with the theories and conjetures.

 oni wrote:
Imagine ten (10) SM's 2.0 getting out of a Rhino. The Rhino is disproportionately sized as it is. It would be a true clown car with SM's 2.0. Will GW then scale up the Rhino? What about the Drop Pod? Are $250.00 Land Raider's the size of a shoe box on the horizon? I would think that if they change the scale of the infantry they'll have to change the scale of everything else lest it look ridiculous and out of place.

What about parts interchangeability with old SM's? They would end up (possibly) creating a world of mismatch and oddity. Speaking generally, the product is meant to be visually appealing, not have that "something seems a little off" feel to it.

Everything is already ridiculous and out of place.

If they are upsizing Space Marines, I'm going to guess that only infantry will be affected.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

That is the base of peoples concern - if one unit grows, then the range follows to fit. Suddenly, existing purchases look silly next to new ones and have to be replaced.

Given it's happened regularly along the last 30 years anyway, why stop?

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Assuming new baseline Marines are really coming out, there's no way GW stops at one unit when they can produce and sell every single entry in Astarstes armour all over again, to everyone.

For a time, both lines will run parallel and then the legacy variants will be dropped. Again, assuming what we're seeing here is an actual GW product/prototype.

They're free to do that, I'm just saying they'll sell to "Everyone" minus at least one.

If they're going ahead with a scale change, I'd wonder if part of the calculation is based off ebay sales. It's easy to get an army off ebay, but if they are suddenly producing in a different scale things get a little more awkward.

So the fluff tells us RG is having Cawl make new marines. I guess I missed the part where he said to purge all the old marines, too.

Thousand Sons are likely the new scale and SM will probably get a beefier marine, but not likely any bigger than a terminator. So let's stop with the doomsday scenarios?

Who's doomsdaying?

That's not what the background said though.

New weapons? Yes. Explicitly stated.

New armies, the size of which haven't been seen since The Great Crusade? Yes. Explicitly stated.

Improving Dad's 'Make-a-man' recipe? No mention at all.