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2018/06/24 00:06:26
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Smotejob wrote: I will say I had my Knight Warden (sporting a 3++ against shooting) smoke a valiant. Everything but a shield breaker bounced off of the ion shield. Got the charge in... Again the flamer didn't do much. Then it got tore a new one with the paragon gauntlet in one round. That gauntlet is MEAN. 8 wounds with each connection is nice.
I really feel like the warden is still very much a viable Knight that can deal with big and small very well.
That same Warden proceeded to stomp around the rest of his guardsmen the rest of the game. That guy swung WELL above his weight class and that hawshroud kept him chugging along when it was injured.
Made me a believer
The Warden, IMO, is the best all-around Knight. Especially when equipped with a Stormspear. There aren't many targets in the game that it can't deal with.
Smotejob wrote: I will say I had my Knight Warden (sporting a 3++ against shooting) smoke a valiant. Everything but a shield breaker bounced off of the ion shield. Got the charge in... Again the flamer didn't do much. Then it got tore a new one with the paragon gauntlet in one round. That gauntlet is MEAN. 8 wounds with each connection is nice.
I really feel like the warden is still very much a viable Knight that can deal with big and small very well.
That same Warden proceeded to stomp around the rest of his guardsmen the rest of the game. That guy swung WELL above his weight class and that hawshroud kept him chugging along when it was injured.
Made me a believer
Glad to hear that
Planning on running mine in a similar fashion as it gives you flexible knights that take aome damaging before the effects start to show.
2018/06/24 00:31:06
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Smotejob wrote: I will say I had my Knight Warden (sporting a 3++ against shooting) smoke a valiant. Everything but a shield breaker bounced off of the ion shield. Got the charge in... Again the flamer didn't do much. Then it got tore a new one with the paragon gauntlet in one round. That gauntlet is MEAN. 8 wounds with each connection is nice.
I really feel like the warden is still very much a viable Knight that can deal with big and small very well.
That same Warden proceeded to stomp around the rest of his guardsmen the rest of the game. That guy swung WELL above his weight class and that hawshroud kept him chugging along when it was injured.
Made me a believer
Glad to hear that
Planning on running mine in a similar fashion as it gives you flexible knights that take aome damaging before the effects start to show.
I’m also a big fan of the Warden, perhaps with a fist. The Paragon Gauntlet is certainly really good.
I’m looking at two versions of my army at 1750, which are subtly different. Both contain a Castellan and two warglaives. With them I can either have two wardens, or a warden, errant and ironstorm rocket pod. I’d give one of the Questoris guys a fist, regardless.
Basically the point is that a Warden costs the same amount as an Errant and an ironstorm. Which of those is better? I’m leaning towards the Warden I think, given that I’ve got a Castellan (and close combat) for any big stuff.
2018/06/24 00:40:28
Subject: Re:Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
What's the best loadout for a TAC Warden? I've been thinking of a Krast Warden with Endless Fury, rerolling failed hits in the fight phase to make up for hitting on 4+ with the Thunderstrike Gauntlet and Endless Fury for better anti-infantry/light vehicles. Raven Warden with a Paragon Gauntlet/Endless Fury looks good as well for better mobility and Raven benefits my Helverins way more than Krast. Any opinions?
2018/06/24 01:07:12
Subject: Re:Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Roflstomped a chaos list by turn 2 without losing a single model
Brief summary.
Turn 1 opponent starts Moves mortarion.... psychic phase dumps blades of putrefaction with a strategem so mortarion can get quicktime. Manifests quicktime 19" away from my front line I pop "steel Mind, Iron logic" to negate it, roll a 4. Mortarion is stopped dead. failed to move the cultists and nothing else can shoot ends turn. On my turn I focus fire poor morty and wipe him out of existence .... warglaives kill two of the rinos and marines with putrefiers pop out.
turn 2 shooting for the opponent went well between blight grenades that did mortals on 5+ with the blight grenade strat, took my warlord down a bit, CC phase he was taken down a bit more by the prince and a lord, returns the favor by killing the plauge marines and death gripping the daemon prince to death(this may have been in my turn i don't remember)
Turn 2 shooting for me .... well by the end after both knights had had their way with plauge marines in CC from my opponents turn and after my shooting and cc phase he had cultists left, all his characters were dead, one rhino with plauge marines, and some pox walkers. and conceded the match. Left me without having lost a single model.
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2018/06/24 02:33:39
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Eldarain wrote: What is "Steel Mind Iron Logic"? sounds solid.
Steel Mind, Iron Logic: Use this Stratagem when an enemy PSYKER manifests a psychic power within 24" of one or more of your GRAIA INFANTRY units. Roll a D6; on a 4+, that psychic power is resisted and its effects are negated.
Ah. That's really cool. Like I needed another reason to expand into admech.
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2018/06/24 08:08:58
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Forces of the Astra Militarum faq. Should know that if you have the rules!
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warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
2018/06/24 08:49:17
Subject: Re:Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Yeah, my own little forgeworld of Graia that was fairly rare pre knight codex is going to be a lot more popular I think.
It's a shame that the valiant harpoon doesn't do anything in close combat, I would like it if it had the same stats as a chainsword roughly but you get to make 2 additional attacks with it everytime you fight. So realistically you'll only get one hit but then it's doing something at least. I do think the flamer could be really solid if all you face are alaitoc eldar though (like me basically), those -3 hemlocks are just a pain to actually shoot down so BBQ'ing them would be incredibly satisfying even if it might not be points efficient in the end..
2018/06/24 09:23:26
Subject: Re:Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
PiñaColada wrote: Yeah, my own little forgeworld of Graia that was fairly rare pre knight codex is going to be a lot more popular I think.
It's a shame that the valiant harpoon doesn't do anything in close combat, I would like it if it had the same stats as a chainsword roughly but you get to make 2 additional attacks with it everytime you fight. So realistically you'll only get one hit but then it's doing something at least. I do think the flamer could be really solid if all you face are alaitoc eldar though (like me basically), those -3 hemlocks are just a pain to actually shoot down so BBQ'ing them would be incredibly satisfying even if it might not be points efficient in the end..
yeah. For straight admech stygies or mars may be better but for the utility. I think graia and knights compliment each other well.
gendoikari87 wrote: Roflstomped a chaos list by turn 2 without losing a single model
Brief summary.
Turn 1 opponent starts Moves mortarion.... psychic phase dumps blades of putrefaction with a strategem so mortarion can get quicktime. Manifests quicktime 19" away from my front line I pop "steel Mind, Iron logic" to negate it, roll a 4. Mortarion is stopped dead. failed to move the cultists and nothing else can shoot ends turn. On my turn I focus fire poor morty and wipe him out of existence .... warglaives kill two of the rinos and marines with putrefiers pop out.
turn 2 shooting for the opponent went well between blight grenades that did mortals on 5+ with the blight grenade strat, took my warlord down a bit, CC phase he was taken down a bit more by the prince and a lord, returns the favor by killing the plauge marines and death gripping the daemon prince to death(this may have been in my turn i don't remember)
Turn 2 shooting for me .... well by the end after both knights had had their way with plauge marines in CC from my opponents turn and after my shooting and cc phase he had cultists left, all his characters were dead, one rhino with plauge marines, and some pox walkers. and conceded the match. Left me without having lost a single model.
Good to see your Graia doing the Omnissiah‘s work. How did you find the sniper rangers? Did they pull their weight?
The transuranic arquebus? yes, no, maybe, they were okay. really only did 1 damage to morty and a few to a biologus putrefier. The troops themselves however were invaluable to thanks to the strategem.
I feel like more squads of greater mobility is the way to go with Graia. Have some vanguards with a plasma, some basic rangers (with a arc rifle or two maybe) just so you can spread that 24" deny bubble a bit. Also helps with holding objectives. That's how I'll try and run them anyways, as soon as my new knights are up and running
2018/06/24 10:20:39
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
I didnt manage to get the codex yet so can someone clarify this?
Is is not possible to assign a knight as warlord or give heirlooms in a super heavy auxilary detachment?
You can make that knight a warlord (for trait purposes) through the exalted court stratagem at the very least. Or make him a character and give him a relic through the heirlooms stratagem. Or you can do both obviously. I'm not sure if he can become a warlord without exalted court, since that's a perk you get through the super heavy detachment.
2018/06/24 12:45:32
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
I didnt manage to get the codex yet so can someone clarify this?
Is is not possible to assign a knight as warlord or give heirlooms in a super heavy auxilary detachment?
You can make that knight a warlord (for trait purposes) through the exalted court stratagem at the very least. Or make him a character and give him a relic through the heirlooms stratagem. Or you can do both obviously. I'm not sure if he can become a warlord without exalted court, since that's a perk you get through the super heavy detachment.
Couldn't you make him a Character through Heirlooms and then make him your Warlord?
Warlord he can be made anyway. But is strategem done before or after warlord pick? And if after does it gain strategem post-fact when it gains character status
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2018/06/24 13:05:02
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
I didnt manage to get the codex yet so can someone clarify this?
Is is not possible to assign a knight as warlord or give heirlooms in a super heavy auxilary detachment?
You can make that knight a warlord (for trait purposes) through the exalted court stratagem at the very least. Or make him a character and give him a relic through the heirlooms stratagem. Or you can do both obviously. I'm not sure if he can become a warlord without exalted court, since that's a perk you get through the super heavy detachment.
Couldn't you make him a Character through Heirlooms and then make him your Warlord?
I don't know, I guess? This is too much in the nitty-gritty for me to answer. Had you phrased that question as a statement I would've believed you.
2018/06/24 14:40:44
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
I didnt manage to get the codex yet so can someone clarify this?
Is is not possible to assign a knight as warlord or give heirlooms in a super heavy auxilary detachment?
You can make that knight a warlord (for trait purposes) through the exalted court stratagem at the very least. Or make him a character and give him a relic through the heirlooms stratagem. Or you can do both obviously. I'm not sure if he can become a warlord without exalted court, since that's a perk you get through the super heavy detachment.
Couldn't you make him a Character through Heirlooms and then make him your Warlord?
You can't retrospectively be given a trait for becoming a charictor after being choosen as warlord.
Sequencing is you choose your warlord and if they are a charictor assign a warlord trait.
You can then play pre game strategums.
Intentionally No the exalted court strategum clearly states it can't be used as such.
Technically as GW rules are as water tight as a sieve yes, heirlooms could make him a chrictor then pic as warlord, but be prepaid to get called on cheesing.
It's why a lot of tournaments require warlord and relics to be fixed at list submission to prevent people cheesing the oh your X army I have a relic of +1 to wound against X army I'll spend a CP on that. As its a form of list tailoring by swapping relics.
2018/06/24 14:53:01
Subject: Re:Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Unlike Exalted Court, Heirlooms does not have any sort of sequencing other than "Use this Stratagem before the battle". So you absolutely can use it to make a Knight in your SH Aux a Character. Because they are a character, they can be made your Warlord, this gaining a Warlord Trait.
casvalremdeikun wrote: Unlike Exalted Court, Heirlooms does not have any sort of sequencing other than "Use this Stratagem before the battle". So you absolutely can use it to make a Knight in your SH Aux a Character. Because they are a character, they can be made your Warlord, this gaining a Warlord Trait.
The sequencing is in the BRB not the strategums, also the intention that your not allowed to use strategums to create charictors is clear from the wording.
But as I said GW rules writing is loose and woolly so as it doesn't explicitly state yes/no people will argue about it. If you pulled it on me at an event or such I'd definitely be asking for a judge as using pregame strategums before listbuilding activities definataly sounds like a cheesey move.
2018/06/24 15:12:34
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Hieirlooms will allow you to take your Aux knight as warlord.
Exalted court is specifically after warlord is chosen.
Heirlooms does not specify and makes the chosen knight(s) character.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ice_can: heirlooms is simply "before the battle begins" which includes before deployment and before choosing a warlord.
Even the tournament claims you are making can(and have to) account for using these types of strategems during list building(otherwise the tournaments you are going to never allow extra relics).
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2018/06/24 16:24:43
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
I'm really happy about the CP update. My hope is that with that fix, pure Knight lists are viable again.
After all, I won't be adding a battalion of space marines, astra militarum, adeptus mechanicus, or anything else... until sisters of battle get their release.
2018/06/24 20:12:29
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
drbored wrote: I'm really happy about the CP update. My hope is that with that fix, pure Knight lists are viable again.
They totally are. Today I've played a game of 1500 point with 3 Knights: Castellan, Crusader and Warden and almost had enough CP for all shenanigans I wanted to perform .
2018/06/24 20:58:28
Subject: Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor
Hi, EXALTED COURT - «Use this Stratagem before the battle, after you have chosen your Warlord.»
So... Does this call me to use the strategem immediately after choosing warlord or can I after or during the deployment?
UPD: The game begins when players start the Deployment step of a mission
I thought the great strategist would work for this strategem(((
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