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 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So Warcry is to AoS as Necromunda is to 40K, a little part blown up and (hopefully) examined in hyper detail. I like some of the minis, not sure on the game.

What I find interesting is:
Shadespire*, Necromunda, Black Stone Fortress, Warcry all get new minis just for them. That's risky for an unproven game.
Shadow War Armaggedon, Kill Team get new terrain and one set of exclusive minis that don't really fit the game's theme. These were low risk games before any models were thrown in since there has be a big desire for a 40K skirmish game.

If GW decided to do a 40K Shadespire game, do you think we'd finally see new models just for it, or recycled older kits? I'm wondering the mindset of GW since all their effort seems to be in high risk stuff because they know new minis sell new games, but could be bothered to make new minis for the gateway game to their cash cow...

I don't think its as risky as you seem to think. They've done it repeatedly now, and have done it for 40k several times, which is how we ended up with plastic assassins, some exclusive genestealer cult models (for a while) and individualized deathwatch sculpts. Plus Blackstone and Necromunda... which aren't really unproven games, any more than spacehulk was (which also had exclusive models.

If they do a 40k shadespire, I'd expect new warbands. But kill team isn't it. That's pretty much designed to use bits of your collection. Or the Rogue Trader box, which is one of a half dozen boxed games with exclusive new-at-release 40k models




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 Rayvon wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
What's non-recyclable? If people are so blinkered that they won't play the games, the stuff they're binning is paper.

so much of the recent stuff comes with inserts made of both plastic and card that cant be recycled, a lot of the books cant be recycled either.

I have been helping run a bits website and ebay store over the past five years and being a bit of a hippy the sheer amount of stuff that we could not recycle really shocked me.

if your recycling system can't handle books, light plastic and cardboard/card stock, you've got an institutional problem, not a GW problem.

One final image from Warcry trailer for those bird dog Dilophosaurus things

Also don't forget that unique models for niche games can be released for the main game - all GW has to do is repack them in a new box and put it on sale since the moulds would already be made. There's nothing to stop them ending something like Shadspire and just putting the warbands on general sale for their respective armies.

 DaveC wrote:
One final image from Warcry trailer for those bird dog Dilophosaurus things

baby Fleshhounds?

 DaveC wrote:
One final image from Warcry trailer for those bird dog Dilophosaurus things

Assblasters

CD furies

 Overread wrote:
Also don't forget that unique models for niche games can be released for the main game - all GW has to do is repack them in a new box and put it on sale since the moulds would already be made. There's nothing to stop them ending something like Shadspire and just putting the warbands on general sale for their respective armies.

They already do this. I know the khorne warbands are in the web store under AoS, as are the tzeentch characters from Silver Tower.

Magores fiends are either $30 as the underworlds pack with cards, or $25 as an easy to build kit under blades of khorne.

 Overread wrote:
Also don't forget that unique models for niche games can be released for the main game - all GW has to do is repack them in a new box and put it on sale since the moulds would already be made. There's nothing to stop them ending something like Shadspire and just putting the warbands on general sale for their respective armies.

I hope they go in this direction, there are so many models I like but they are only a small part of a bigger set.

Voss wrote:



if your recycling system can't handle books, light plastic and cardboard/card stock, you've got an institutional problem, not a GW problem.

You would have a good point if it was just normal paper and card that they are using and I didnt live in the same country that they are made.

There is always room for improvement on both fronts.

 Geifer wrote:


I was referring to campaign books from the last editions, too. In my mind it's the first taste of GW's more recent effort to sell you small rules bits on their own and splintering their games into a mess that's hard to follow.

I mean, GW has been doing that for decades, since 2nd edition. whether or not spiting up the rule sin multiple products makes the game a mess thats hard to follow or not is subjective, but it hasn't seemed to hurt their sales or following for over 20 years.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
One final image from Warcry trailer for those bird dog Dilophosaurus things

baby Fleshhounds?

Do do do do do....

In case you missed it



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/13/chaos-space-marines-focus-the-lord-discordant/

Not sure if it's GAMA or another preview

Scoria wants his base back.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
In case you missed it



https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/13/chaos-space-marines-focus-the-lord-discordant/

Not sure if it's GAMA or another preview

I was so trying not to build a new Iron Warriors army

Overread wrote:Also don't forget that unique models for niche games can be released for the main game - all GW has to do is repack them in a new box and put it on sale since the moulds would already be made. There's nothing to stop them ending something like Shadspire and just putting the warbands on general sale for their respective armies.

This isn't the case for every side game though. On the 40k side of niche games, in a number of instances the models are on larger sprues with a mix of different models and GW isn't in the habit of chopping up sprues. That said there have been a number of times in the last couple years GW has shown a willingness to reuse digital assets either modifying them or just using them as they are on whole new sprues. While the moulds are expensive, GW is producing models at such a volume and selling at such a high markup they are likely paying off the cost of the moulds in the first weeks the models are on sale. Any reluctance they have at this point really should be limited to a question of production capacity relative to the estimated profitability of different alternative products. - That is, if they can only produce one should they decide to produce more space marines or traitor guard?

Is there a chance that the harpies/furies/gargoyles are related to the Ogroid Thaumaturge? Something about the faces and heads is really similar. Both have similar faces, and both have tiny horns, with much larger "ram" horns jutting out to the side. Of course, they're different colors and the ogroid doesn't have wings. At the very least, they'll look good together.

I think they’re more related to Jay Leno.

Who is the lead designer for WarCry?

 Tokhuah wrote:
Who is the lead designer for WarCry?

They’re not lead, they’re plastic.

Ha! I always new GW was a bunch of plastics posing as game designers.

 Tokhuah wrote:
Who is the lead designer for WarCry?

Dunno who the lead designer is, but it’s by the Shadespire/Kill Team team.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
One final image from Warcry trailer for those bird dog Dilophosaurus things

Assblasters

For that Tremors reference? An exalt.

 Togusa wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
One final image from Warcry trailer for those bird dog Dilophosaurus things

baby Fleshhounds?

Do do do do do....

Lmao!!! You obviously have kids

A fellow named Dave ( can’t remeber last name) and John Bracken are the two folks doing The lions share of game design for Shadespire and Killteam. This was explained in the most recent Stormcast podcast. John is a very enthusiastic guy and his passion for skirmish game design is pretty obvious.

So wasn’t there one more reveal at 8:00 pm pdt on the 13th? Or was Warcry it? I thought that was an earlier reveal?

 Thanatos73 wrote:
So wasn’t there one more reveal at 8:00 pm pdt on the 13th? Or was Warcry it? I thought that was an earlier reveal?

Warcry was the last reveal. There were 4 reveal slots, the first had a few bits, second was the Blackstone Fortress expansion, third was Forbidden Power for AoS (although that revealed nothing) and the 4th was Warcry.

 Rayvon wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
What's non-recyclable? If people are so blinkered that they won't play the games, the stuff they're binning is paper.

so much of the recent stuff comes with inserts made of both plastic and card that cant be recycled, a lot of the books cant be recycled either.

I have been helping run a bits website and ebay store over the past five years and being a bit of a hippy the sheer amount of stuff that we could not recycle really shocked me.

I wasn't aware of that - I dumped a load of old rulebooks into the paper recycling a while back. The only thing in BSF that I would have thought would be a problem is the baggies.


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 Overread wrote:
Also don't forget that unique models for niche games can be released for the main game - all GW has to do is repack them in a new box and put it on sale since the moulds would already be made. There's nothing to stop them ending something like Shadspire and just putting the warbands on general sale for their respective armies.

They've done that already with the Shadespire warbands - re-released in grey plastic in AoS packaging without the cards:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer?N=647457687+1061799161&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AGB_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_GB_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1552553460000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1552553460000%5D

 jake wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


I was referring to campaign books from the last editions, too. In my mind it's the first taste of GW's more recent effort to sell you small rules bits on their own and splintering their games into a mess that's hard to follow.

I mean, GW has been doing that for decades, since 2nd edition. whether or not spiting up the rule sin multiple products makes the game a mess thats hard to follow or not is subjective, but it hasn't seemed to hurt their sales or following for over 20 years.

Sure. That's just my take. I'll make no claims how others should feel about it.

But to take Necromunda as an example (and to keep it short), with the original I bought the box and I was done. The game introduced six major houses, and the box had rules for those houses. The rule book did not inexplicably lack rules for weapons that are ubiquitous in 40k, like chainswords. By contrast, the new version gives you a cut down rule book in the box and if you ever want to play a different gang than Escher or Goliath you need a Gang War book. If you want the most complete trade post list, you need the latest Gang War book. If you want something more complete in general, you're going to have to wait for a year until they add a compilation book which comes at the cost of waiting a long time in which the initial interest in the game can cool down, which happened at my local store. In spite of a number of people stating their interest in the game (you can add Kill Team here too, if you like), I haven't seen a single game played because people couldn't just pick up a complete game to put everyone on the same page from the beginning.

That is the most extreme example I can think of, but for my group GW's business model has been detrimental in a way that, say, the new rules in White Dwarf/Chapter Approved in 3rd ed never were. You had a lot of fragmentation of the rule set there, too, but it never felt as incomplete as things now. Not to me, anyway.

In a way I like the Kirby era better. Things were dire, but GW had real economic reasons to implement change, hopefully for the better. The current model, on the other hand, is so successful that GW would be foolish to try something new. Which sucks for people like me who aren't happy with how their games are released. Nothing that can be done about it, though.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
So wasn’t there one more reveal at 8:00 pm pdt on the 13th? Or was Warcry it? I thought that was an earlier reveal?

GW's schedule showed a single date for what was the 12th in America and the 13th in Europe. They went with their own time on that one instead of just putting a big Tuesday (to go with the big local time) and a small Wednesday (to go with the smaller UK time) on the schedule. That would have been much clearer.

Well, the compilation for Necromunda has already come out by now. You are a few months out of date

Now there is s compiled rulebook and a compiled gangs book, so that covers almost all the rules released so far. I dunno how meaningful a year wait is in the scheme of things. I don't have a gaming group at present (move around too much).

 Haighus wrote:
Well, the compilation for Necromunda has already come out by now. You are a few months out of date

Now there is s compiled rulebook and a compiled gangs book, so that covers almost all the rules released so far. I dunno how meaningful a year wait is in the scheme of things. I don't have a gaming group at present (move around too much).

I know. Yet no more games of Necromunda were played at my local store after its release than before. Make of that what you will.

I wonder if those winged... things are really just another warband or the denizens of Varanspire who are harassing the would-be champions on their way to the top.